OT: New ACC Deal To Reward Clemson and FSU?

[mosito]

I believe if FSU, Clemson, Miami, and North Carolina were available, at least one of those teams would be picked up by someone. In turn potentially destabilizing the ACC and who knows maybe ND would become available .

I think what happened after the initial hearings is that it was clear that the GOR would be upheld and/or it would take a long time to litigate it.

At that point there was no appetite by anyone to push for anyone. Why would the Big push for anyone while onboarding 4 new teams and starting a new contract. Why would the SEC do anything if they still had 8 more years on their contract.

FSU and Clemson did what happened to be their only choice. ACC is choosing to stop litigation that might weaken the conference to the point that they can't do anything in 5-10 years.

I have not read anything that the GOR has been shortened to 2031... But I have heard of potential lower buyout to leave.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I believe if FSU, Clemson, Miami, and North Carolina were available, at least one of those teams would be picked up by someone. In turn potentially destabilizing the ACC and who knows maybe ND would become available .

I think what happened after the initial hearings is that it was clear that the GOR would be upheld and/or it would take a long time to litigate it.

At that point there was no appetite by anyone to push for anyone. Why would the Big push for anyone while onboarding 4 new teams and starting a new contract. Why would the SEC do anything if they still had 8 more years on their contract.

FSU and Clemson did what happened to be their only choice. ACC is choosing to stop litigation that might weaken the conference to the point that they can't do anything in 5-10 years.

I have not read anything that the GOR has been shortened to 2031... But I have heard of potential lower buyout to leave.

They would
Guys in the know (including 95 on this board) indicate UNC would likely be option 1 after ND

If makes no sense for the B1G / SEC to publicly say "Yes, of course we'd be interested in X school." Not only from a common sense, but from a legal standpoint as well

Also correct that FSU & Clemson had no other choice. Nobody wants to go full blown scortched earth, but that was really their own option. Conference is definitely weakened (or will be once new contract is signed) as unequal revenue is never a good thing

I believe they have until 2/1/25 to produce (or at least sign) the new deal which, amongst other concessions, includes more money per year for the big 4 based on certain metrics, ND playing the top teams more often, shorter GOR and by consequence of that, smaller $$ to buy it out a few years earler

Win / win (albeit temporary) for all parties involved

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

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They'd be a great addition to the B1G for multiple reasons and finally get them out of Bevo's shadow, once and (hopefully) for all

 

[NickRU714]

This article might be pointing out why College Football now seems like it's more concerned about money then caring about it's fan base or working together so all the schools can benefit from the money to be made . In stead of only the strong survive mode that's prevalent today
The havoc surround College Football and how weak the NCAA is now could be a result of a lawsuit filed against the NCAA over 40 years ago

Although many people saw changes on the horizon, few could have imagined this much “madness” when the court ruled in favor of the University of Oklahoma back in 1984 The nearly 75-year television tug of war isn’t over, and the money it generates will continue to transform college sports.

40 years ago, the Supreme Court broke the NCAA’s lock on TV revenue, reshaping college sports to this day

March Madness might look very different if not for the Supreme Court.

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Very enlighten article.
All the "back in my day college football was about amateurs and the love of the game" is just plain crap.

Schools have been looking out for themselves and only themselves for decades.

College Atheltics has always been about money.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Very enlighten article.
All the "back in my day college football was about amateurs and the love of the game" is just plain crap.

Schools have been looking out for themselves and only themselves for decades.

College Atheltics has always been about money.

Always has been (at least in modern times) and always will be. Mirrors life actually

 

[50 yd line RR]

A lot going on in this thread but the thing that stands out to me. If FSU and Clemson are taking more resources from a contract that pays very little ( by comparison to the Big 2leagues).
What happens to the other 14 teams? They will probably become even less competitive as a conference. Further lowering their value.
Why wouldn’t the ACC join some kind of scheduling alliance with the Big 12 and possibly grow their brands that way?

 

[NickRU714]

A lot going on in this thread but the thing that stands out to me. If FSU and Clemson are taking more resources from a contract that pays very little ( by comparison to the Big 2leagues).
What happens to the other 14 teams? They will probably become even less competitive as a conference. Further lowering their value.
Why wouldn’t the ACC join some kind of scheduling alliance with the Big 12 and possibly grow their brands that way?

Because conference hate each other and couldn’t imagine working together for mutual benefit if college athletics?

Why would the Big 12 even consider helping out a fellow conference?

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

A lot going on in this thread but the thing that stands out to me. If FSU and Clemson are taking more resources from a contract that pays very little ( by comparison to the Big 2leagues).
What happens to the other 14 teams? They will probably become even less competitive as a conference. Further lowering their value.
Why wouldn’t the ACC join some kind of scheduling alliance with the Big 12 and possibly grow their brands that way?

It would be FSU, Clemson and UNC (and ND I'd assume)

The other teams would suffer - unless they stepped up, and were able to start winning, and by consequence, the money from the metrics that are presumedly going to the Big 4 would then trickle down to them instead

 

[50 yd line RR]

Because conference hate each other and couldn’t imagine working together for mutual benefit if college athletics?

Why would the Big 12 even consider helping out a fellow conference?

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It would be a mutual benefit. Not just one conference helping another.
The SEC and BIG have something cooking already.

It would be FSU, Clemson and UNC (and ND I'd assume)

The other teams would suffer - unless they stepped up, and were able to start winning, and by consequence, the money from the metrics that are presumedly going to the Big 4 would then trickle down to them instead

Yes, it’s a recipe for disaster!
What if your team wasn’t in that mix?
If you were one of the 12 other schools your job just got exponentially harder.
The ACC will get weaker because of this, not stronger.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

It would be a mutual benefit. Not just one conference helping another.
The SEC and BIG have something cooking already.

Yes, it’s a recipe for disaster!
What if your team wasn’t in that mix?
If you were one of the 12 other schools your job just got exponentially harder.
The ACC will get weaker because of this, not stronger.

Complete disaster
Not disagreeing and this weakens the league significantly

If FSU wasn't in the mix, I'd be worried
I'd also be looking at myself in the mirror knowing I was sucking off their tit for the past 30 years, not doing much of anything to improve myself, while they were carrying the load and making the conference money all so I could remain somewhat revalent

I'd also be more pissed about the conference leadership (particularly, John Swofford) for signing bad deals and negiotiing in bad faith all to land his son Chad a sweetheart deal with Raycom

 

[mosito]

A lot going on in this thread but the thing that stands out to me. If FSU and Clemson are taking more resources from a contract that pays very little ( by comparison to the Big 2leagues).
What happens to the other 14 teams? They will probably become even less competitive as a conference. Further lowering their value.
Why wouldn’t the ACC join some kind of scheduling alliance with the Big 12 and possibly grow their brands that way?

My guess is that they are taking the extra money from the CFP and the extra money from SMU, Cal, and Stanford taking Zero/Partial shares and pooling that money.

That is about 40M from the extra schools from Media and around 120M from CFP that is new Revenue for the ACC.
Plus ACC schools now get another 5-10M from the ACC Network.

So before any of the other schools take a haircut, there is anywhere from 150-200M that can be given to the top 3-4 brands, plus the top 3-4 schools. Miami Clemson and FSU would need to perform and get to the CFP to maximize that money... I suspect only 1 out of the 3 will. Plus brand, 1 of the ACC schools will be around SEC money, while 2-3 schools will be slightly less than SEC Money.

So with the spring 2028 payouts based on year 2026 you might see

B10 = 110M
SEC = 97M
Big12 = 55M
Top ACC = 80M
ACC 2,3,4 = 65M
ACC = 45-55M

The above is with status quo... no Private Equity or extra matches for CFP qualifying that the conferences might take or scheduling agreements between conferences....

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Yeah, this. I’ll add that this is just a plan. The original article says that some schools may object to the financial plan that favors FSU, UNC and Clemson. I’d be especially cheesed to give money to the schools denigrating and suing the conference. Let’s see how this all plays out. At the very least, I’ll need to read reporting that categorically states that ESPN gives the ACC more money if there are more big Notre Dame games.

What is Notre Dame’s interest in doing this? The Irish made it to the NC playing a weaker schedule (albeit with some of their foes having down seasons). Also, ND is going to want a slice the financial pie.

The smoke up our collective asses on FSU joining the B1G is lingering. Now we get new rumors of FSU staying put.

The only way I see all the other ACC schools agreeing to further financial imbalances is when new money hits the table.

I didn't think FSU and Clemson were going to leave because I didn't think there was real interest from the B1G or SEC.

As far as the B1G, neither FSU nor Clemson are AAU Research Universities and are actually research lightweights so to speak.

From a ranking of annual research expenditures FSU would be ranked #79 with annual research expenditures of $ 414 million. To add some perspective Utah State is ranked #80 with annual research expenditures of $401 million.

Clemson is even lower with a ranking of #109 with annual research expenditures of $286 million. Again to add some perspective to the ranking Temple is ranked #106 with annual research expenditures of $292 million.

The only B1G school which is not an AAU Research University (AAU member at time of B1G admit) is Nebraska. Nebraska is ranked #55 with annual research expenditures of $616 million.

There is more money for a school to be gained from research than sports.

Better to build new research facilities than field houses.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

My guess is that they are taking the extra money from the CFP and the extra money from SMU, Cal, and Stanford taking Zero/Partial shares and pooling that money.

That is about 40M from the extra schools from Media and around 120M from CFP that is new Revenue for the ACC.
Plus ACC schools now get another 5-10M from the ACC Network.

So before any of the other schools take a haircut, there is anywhere from 150-200M that can be given to the top 3-4 brands, plus the top 3-4 schools. Miami Clemson and FSU would need to perform and get to the CFP to maximize that money... I suspect only 1 out of the 3 will. Plus brand, 1 of the ACC schools will be around SEC money, while 2-3 schools will be slightly less than SEC Money.

So with the spring 2028 payouts based on year 2026 you might see

B10 = 110M
SEC = 97M
Big12 = 55M
Top ACC = 80M
ACC 2,3,4 = 65M
ACC = 45-55M

The above is with status quo... no Private Equity or extra matches for CFP qualifying that the conferences might take or scheduling agreements between conferences....

The $$ discrepancy is why this would be a short-term move, with the Big 3 looking to jet out in the 2028 timeframe I'd presume

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I didn't think FSU and Clemson were going to leave because I didn't think there was real interest from the B1G or SEC.

As far as the B1G, neither FSU nor Clemson are AAU Research Universities and are actually research lightweights so to speak.

From a ranking of annual research expenditures FSU would be ranked #79 with annual research expenditures of $ 414 million. To add some perspective Utah State is ranked #80 with annual research expenditures of $401 million.

Clemson is even lower with a ranking of #106 with annual research expenditures of $286 million. Again to add some perspective to the ranking Temple is ranked #106 with annual research expenditures of $292 million.

The only B1G school which is not an AAU Research University (AAU member at time of B1G admit) is Nebraska. Nebraska is ranked #55 with annual research expenditures of $616 million.

There is more money for a school to be gained from research than sports.

Better to build new research facilities than field houses.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Why wouldn't there be real interest?
Also, AAU, though preferred isn't required (especially if a school is on the precipius of achieving it), as that's been debunked ad nauseum

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Why wouldn't there be real interest?
Also, AAU, though preferred isn't required (especially if a school is on the precipius of achieving it), as that's been debunked ad nauseum

Is Utah State also on the precipice of AAU membership.

Nothing against FSU or Clemson but I don't think the B1G or SEC is looking to expand.

Actually, I think it is in FSU and Clemsons best interest to remain in the ACC to maintain their football superiority.

Mid level programs in the B1G and SEC.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Is Utah State also on the precipice of AAU membership.

Nothing against FSU or Clemson but I don't think the B1G or SEC is looking to expand.

Actually, I think it is in FSU and Clemsons best interest to remain in the ACC to maintain their football superiority.

Mid level programs in the B1G and SEC.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Please with the Utah State nonsense
You're a good guy, but that's a ridiculous comparison

B1G and SEC are looking what's in their best interest
Expansion w/both (B1G/SEC for FSU and SEC for Clemmy) is just that, although they can't, and won't, state that publicly (at least now)

Remaining in the ACC long term is a death sentence if they wish to compete for titles
500 million behind your peers is simply not sustainable unless you're SMU

Mid-level in the SEC could be right
Upper level B1G could also be right

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Please with the Utah State nonsense
You're a good guy, but that's a ridiculous comparison

B1G and SEC are looking what's in their best interest
Expansion w/both (B1G/SEC for FSU and SEC for Clemmy) is just that, although they can't, and won't, state that publicly (at least now)

Remaining in the ACC long term is a death sentence if they wish to compete for titles
500 million behind your peers is simply not sustainable unless you're SMU

Mid-level in the SEC could be right
Upper level B1G could also be right

At the present time FSU and Utah State both have research expenditures of around $400 million.

Nebraska which is not an AAU University has research expenditures of $600 million.

Will Nebraska get AAU membership before FSU, I don't know.

FSU and Clemson will survive and prosper in the ACC I have no doubt.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

At the present time FSU and Utah State both have research expenditures of around $400 million.

Nebraska which is not an AAU University has research expenditures of $600 million.

Will Nebraska get AAU membership before FSU, I don't know.

FSU and Clemson will survive and prosper in the ACC I have no doubt.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Being a half $1 billion behind your peers is not Surviving and prospering

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Being a half $1 billion behind your peers is not Surviving and prospering

Actually, the difference is $20-30 million per year.

Titles are just not that important. Apparently, many others feel the same way considering the game between Ohio State and Notre Dame had a 12.1 % drop in TV viewership.

IF FSU wants to go then go if they find a conference who will take them.

Don't care either way.

Pitt will prosper making over $1.0 Billion PER YEAR in research funding (Pitt ranked #17 university in research expenditures).

Better to build research facilities than sport field houses.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Actually, the difference is $20-30 million per year.

Titles are just not that important.

IF FSU wants to go then go if they find a conference who will take them.

Don't care either way.

Pitt will prosper making over $1.0 Billion PER YEAR in research funding (Pitt ranked #17 university in research expenditures).

Better to build research facilities than sport field houses.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Thanks for being concerned about our academics, rising rapidly, and putting more money into that than ever, will be AAU within the next decade

If I wanna talk about stem cell and research, I join an academic board, this is about football primarily and what we need to do to stay on top

Transparently, that’s not being in a conference with the likes of you guys as well as the others, and I say that as somebody who appreciates the history of pitt football and all the great players that have come out of there and the multiple championships

Nobody knows what the new number is, because the new contract has not been announced yet, but the number is still likely to be untenable if we decided to stay for the duration of the grant rights

Fortunately, we were proactive which led to this whole restructuring of the contract to begin with, we actually want to compete for championships and realize of falling that far behind her peers would not allow us to do so, not just in other sports as well

 

[mosito]

Every indication is that the contract is the same ..

Just that it won't be split evenly.

So Pitt, Syracuse and Boston College will forgo some of the new money that results from the expanded CFP and new add-on teams that ESPN is giving pro-rata for.

So from the ESPN side, zero changes.... But ACC making certain concessions. So the base 240M per year contract with 14.5 teams is still the same .. although I suspect the average per year is higher for the back end of the deal

 

[MADHAT1]

Might not be over and now the ACC bowing down to Clemson and FSU might wind up facing repercussions being pushed by the Tar Heel Football program



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