OT: New York Yankees 2020 season

[WhiteBus]

IMO trades should be weighed against what was given up. What did the Yankees give up for Stanton? Yanks transitioned from an old team to a young contending team in less than one season.

Ps......Voit says hello. So does Torres, and before him, DiDi.

Didi?? He let him walk.
Stupid to look at the Stanton deal by what we gave up, very stupid! It's what's they got. A huge long term, non tradeable contract! Of all the the examples you pick the one that backs my point 1000%, the Stanton deal tops the list of incredibly bad trades.
PS Sonny Gray, Happ, Paxton, Elsbury....
say bye bye.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Rays are better than Cleveland, but, Yanks in 4

 

[yesrutgers01]

Didi?? He let him walk.
Stupid to look at the Stanton deal by what we gave up, very stupid! It's what's they got. A huge long term, non tradeable contract! Of all the the examples you pick the one that backs my point 1000%, the Stanton deal tops the list of incredibly bad trades.
PS Sonny Gray, Happ, Paxton, Elsbury....
say bye bye.

Sonny Gray is a hard read...He was good before the Yankees and GREAT after...seems he just isn't a NY type of guy. But in retrospect, gave up too much and then didn't get enough back but that was his NY performance more than a bad GM.

 

[Rhuarc]

Sonny Gray is a hard read...He was good before the Yankees and GREAT after...seems he just isn't a NY type of guy. But in retrospect, gave up too much and then didn't get enough back but that was his NY performance more than a bad GM.

And the fact that he gave up too much is why he isn't pushing trades for players this season or even last year. He's smartly pulling back on giving up young kids for short term players who aren't guaranteed to do well in NY.

 

[Rhuarc]

No it doesn't. Every pitcher he has traded for has not been great at all. For every Gio I can raise you a Stanton.
I go crazy not with every bad move. I go crazy when people say he is a great GM. He's not. He is at best average.
And the trades not made are never talked about. He did nothing this year with a playoff format with no rest days between games in a series. Big mistake!

2 questions:

- What did you want him to do this year to make this team better?

- Can you give me a few examples of who is an above average GM since you feel Cashman is average? I'm curious.

 

[Rhuarc]

No it doesn't. Every pitcher he has traded for has not been great at all. For every Gio I can raise you a Stanton.
I go crazy not with every bad move. I go crazy when people say he is a great GM. He's not. He is at best average.
And the trades not made are never talked about. He did nothing this year with a playoff format with no rest days between games in a series. Big mistake!

I'll give you that his success rate with starting pitching isn't great. However, he's done well with relief pitchers which have made the need to rely on expensive starting pitching less important.

 

[Kbee3]

And the fact that he gave up too much is why he isn't pushing trades for players this season or even last year. He's smartly pulling back on giving up young kids for short term players who aren't guaranteed to do well in NY.

He's also waiting on the return of Kahnle, Severino, and German and the further development of Garcia, Schmidt, and Gil.

 

[RU Diesel07110]

Yankees are favored -150 to win series vs Rays after losing 8 of 10 to them?

 

[Kbee3]

Yankees are favored -150 to win series vs Rays after losing 8 of 10 to them?

How many of those ten games did Judge and Stanton play in ?

 

[Source]

So here’s the expected starters against the Rays pitching staff overall and the top three expected starters. Charlie Morton made two starts against NYY of two innings each. The order is mostly based on the two wild card line-ups. The batting average and on base percentage precede the names.

.333/.375 LeMEHIEU 10/30, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 2 BB

vs. Snell 0/1, BB

vs. Glasnow 1/5, 3k

vs. Morton 1/3


.235/.235 JUDGE 4/17, HR, 2 R, 2 RBI

vs. Snell 0/2, 2k

vs. Glasnow 1/1

vs. Morton 0/2


.172/.294 HICKS 5/29, 1 R, 5 BB

vs. Snell 0/3, 1k

vs. Glasnow 1/3, triple, 1k

vs. Morton 1/1, double, BB


.333/.405 VOIT 11/33 .333 BA, HR, 7 R, 8 RBI, 4 BB

vs. Snell 2/3, HR, 1 R, 2 RBI, BB

vs. Glasnow 1/4, HR, R, RBI, 2, 2k

vs. Morton 0/1, BB


.286/.500 STANTON 2/7, HR, 3 R, 1 RBI, 3 BB

vs. Snell 0/1, 1k

vs. Glasnow 1/1, 1 BB


.294/.314 URSHELA 10/34, .294, 4 R, 9 RBI, BB

vs. Snell 0/4

vs. Glasnow 1/5, double, sac fly, 3 RBI, BB, 1k

vs. Morton 0/1


.182/.280 TORRES 4/22, double, 2 R, RBI, 3 BB

vs. Snell 0/3, 1k

vs. Glasnow 1/3, 1 k

vs. Morton 0/1


.136/.208 GARDNER 3/22, R, 2 BB, 1k

vs. Snell

vs. Glasnow 0/2, 2 BB, 1k

vs. Morton 0/2 2k


.200/.273 FRAZIER 4/20, HR, 2 R, RBI, 2 BB

vs. Snell 0/2, DP

vs. Glasnow 0/5, 2 k

vs. Morton 0/1 1k


.000/.000 HIGISHIOKA 0/3, 1 k


.125/.300 SANCHEZ 3/24, HR, R, RBI, 6 BB, 1 k

vs. Snell 1/4, HR, R, RBI, 2 BB

vs. Glasnow 0/4, 2 k

vs. Morton 1/2, 1k

 

[RU Diesel07110]

Odds makers must know something

 

[Kbee3]

Odds makers must know something

They usually do.

 

[RUInsanity]

Sonny Gray is a hard read...He was good before the Yankees and GREAT after...seems he just isn't a NY type of guy. But in retrospect, gave up too much and then didn't get enough back but that was his NY performance more than a bad GM.

Quick....name the guys he gave up in the Gray trade? How are they all doing? I'll give you a hint......none are MLB household names.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Quick....name the guys he gave up in the Gray trade? How are they all doing? I'll give you a hint......none are MLB household names.

Bingo.

 

[WhiteBus]

Bingo.

I can only remember Mateo and Kaperlien (sp?)

 

[T2Kplus10]

I can only remember Mateo and Kaperlien (sp?)

Better than me, couldn't remember anyone in that trade. Gray was/is a solid pitcher but just couldn't handle NYC. It happens (and you never know until someone plays here).

 

[RUInsanity]

Didi?? He let him walk.
Stupid to look at the Stanton deal by what we gave up, very stupid! It's what's they got. A huge long term, non tradeable contract! Of all the the examples you pick the one that backs my point 1000%, the Stanton deal tops the list of incredibly bad trades.
PS Sonny Gray, Happ, Paxton, Elsbury....
say bye bye.

The story of Stanton is not over for the Yankees......he has a contract "out" and if not, we will see how he produces in coming years.

You were the same guy who predicted that Frasier would never play OF for the Yankees ever again. Then you predicted he would never play for the Yankees ever again.

• DiDi was acquired for Shane Green and was a key cog for 5 years. No matter how hard you try, you can't diminish this trade by Cashman. Bringing him back or not is a separate issue that only time will bear out as a good or bad move.
• Sonny Gray was acquired for Kaprellian, Mateo and Fowler ......how have they all done?
• Happ was acquired for Drury and McKinnon.....how have they all done?
• Paxton was traded for Justice Sheffield - maybe he will be better, but is Cashman supposed to predict injuries?
• Elsbury was signed as a free agent - if you are including FA's in your analysis, then we have to expand the list significantly (for instance......DJ says hello)

 

[RUInsanity]

Better than me, couldn't remember anyone in that trade. Gray was/is a solid pitcher but just couldn't handle NYC. It happens (and you never know until someone plays here).

See below. Fowler was a good prospect in the Yankee system until he tore up his knee. Mateo was fast and a good defender but has not panned out.

 

[WhiteBus]

The story of Stanton is not over for the Yankees......he has a contract "out" and if not, we will see how he produces in coming years.

You were the same guy who predicted that Frasier would never play OF for the Yankees ever again. Then you predicted he would never play for the Yankees ever again.

• DiDi was acquired for Shane Green and was a key cog for 5 years. No matter how hard you try, you can't diminish this trade by Cashman. Bringing him back or not is a separate issue that only time will bear out as a good or bad move.
• Sonny Gray was acquired for Kaprellian, Mateo and Fowler ......how have they all done?
• Happ was acquired for Drury and McKinnon.....how have they all done?
• Paxton was traded for Justice Sheffield - maybe he will be better, but is Cashman supposed to predict injuries?
• Elsbury was signed as a free agent - if you are including FA's in your analysis, then we have to expand the list significantly (for instance......DJ says hello)

Staton has already said he isn't opting out. Stay current.
Paxton wasn't all that good since coming over in the trade.
Silly you still think it's about who they gave. Meanwhile Yankees have cap issues. There is more than who you gave up.
Sonny Gray is gone so we gave those 3 up for nothing.

 

[RUInsanity]

Staton has already said he isn't opting out. Stay current.
Paxton wasn't all that good since coming over in the trade.
Silly you still think it's about who they gave. Meanwhile Yankees have cap issues. There is more than who you gave up.
Sonny Gray is gone so we gave those 3 up for nothing.

So you agree. The Yankees gave up nothing to get nothing in return.....which makes the trade a wash.

PS...........There is no cap in baseball.....stay current. You are evaluating trades by not counting who they gave up and putting primary focus on cap issues in a league without a cap......keep spinning away.

PPS.........Even if there was a cap, the Yankees do not have issues, the Luxury tax threshold is $210M.......they are only locked in to 4 guys on bigger salaries next year (Cole, Stanton, Chapman, Britton) .......they have another 3 on moderate salaries...... Hicks, Severino, Ottavino). Everyone else is pretty much younger guys: Pre-Arbitration, Arbitration.......except Gardner who is on a club option.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Quick....name the guys he gave up in the Gray trade? How are they all doing? I'll give you a hint......none are MLB household names.

I can only remember Mateo and Kaperlien (sp?)

Better than me, couldn't remember anyone in that trade. Gray was/is a solid pitcher but just couldn't handle NYC. It happens (and you never know until someone plays here).

That was really my point. For the pitcher he was prior to the Yanks and the pitcher he has been the past couple of years, that trade should have been a steal for the Yankees.
So it was sort of a Stowers and Draft pick for Fowler/Mateo/Kaperlien...not sure if that is even a trade that would get a 2nd thought right now. But when the Yankees made the trade, they did send some of their very good prospects for a guy they thought would be either an Ace or really good number 2. Who knows why Gray wasn't all that good here, but he is an example that I said was actually hard to read. Someone not following may look at stats and think, Yankees traded a SP that has been at the top of the pitching starts for 2 years and only got back a draft pick and a middle of the road minor league player. But Gray never would have been good if he stayed here. On the other hand- if just looking at stats, people may say "why would we send a couple of top prospects for the pitcher we had for 2 years"

 

[RUInsanity]

That was really my point. For the pitcher he was prior to the Yanks and the pitcher he has been the past couple of years, that trade should have been a steal for the Yankees.
So it was sort of a Stowers and Draft pick for Fowler/Mateo/Kaperlien...not sure if that is even a trade that would get a 2nd thought right now. But when the Yankees made the trade, they did send some of their very good prospects for a guy they thought would be either an Ace or really good number 2. Who knows why Gray wasn't all that good here, but he is an example that I said was actually hard to read. Someone not following may look at stats and think, Yankees traded a SP that has been at the top of the pitching starts for 2 years and only got back a draft pick and a middle of the road minor league player. But Gray never would have been good if he stayed here. On the other hand- if just looking at stats, people may say "why would we send a couple of top prospects for the pitcher we had for 2 years"

Could be anything. Pressure, pitching coach, teammates, family situation, maybe hes juicing now. Point is, these guys are human......much in the same way some people need to switch jobs or locations to get ahead.

 

[WhiteBus]

So you agree. The Yankees gave up nothing to get nothing in return.....which makes the trade a wash.

PS...........There is no cap in baseball.....stay current. You are evaluating trades by not counting who they gave up and putting primary focus on cap issues in a league without a cap......keep spinning away.

PPS.........Even if there was a cap, the Yankees do not have issues, the Luxury tax threshold is $210M.......they are only locked in to 4 guys on bigger salaries next year (Cole, Stanton, Chapman, Britton) .......they have another 3 on moderate salaries...... Hicks, Severino, Ottavino). Everyone else is pretty much younger guys: Pre-Arbitration, Arbitration.......except Gardner who is on a club option.

No I don't agree. Two of them actually play in the MLB although limited. Sonny plays and is a contributor on another team.
Yes there is a cap in baseball. Do you even watch baseball? Follow it?? Apparently not. Do you remember why they traded Chapman and Miller? To finally get under the luxury cap.

 

[RU Diesel07110]

Would rather have the game on YES with Cone Kay and O’Neil

 

[ScarletteK80]

Grand Slam for Mr. Stanton top of 9th. Yanks now up 9-3 over Tampa.

 

[Kbee3]

Pitching will get considerably better from here on out. Bullpen is really going to need to stepup, cause the NYY aren't likely scoring 22 runs in a FIVE game series against TB.

Off to a good start in game one.
Yanks trusting in Garcia in game two.

 

[RUInsanity]

No I don't agree. Two of them actually play in the MLB although limited. Sonny plays and is a contributor on another team.
Yes there is a cap in baseball. Do you even watch baseball? Follow it?? Apparently not. Do you remember why they traded Chapman and Miller? To finally get under the luxury cap.

Grand salami by Stanton Last night among a HR spree by the team and you're crying about the MLB luxury tax......which you apparently dont even understand. Try to pay attention son.

 

[WhiteBus]

Grand salami by Stanton Last night among a HR spree by the team and you're crying about the MLB luxury tax......which you apparently dont even understand. Try to pay attention son.

The fact you still think the Stanton was a good pickup shows everyone how cluessless about Yankee baseball you are. I don't give a rats add about your opinions if that is your starting point. A tack on HR and you think he is a great addition. Laughable.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Eating their own, I love it,🤪

 

[yesrutgers01]

The fact you still think the Stanton was a good pickup shows everyone how cluessless about Yankee baseball you are. I don't give a rats add about your opinions if that is your starting point. A tack on HR and you think he is a great addition. Laughable.

Not sure I would want to be stuck with Stanton's contract and injuries over the long haul but to find anything wrong with him this post season is reaching...Even if a HR is a tack on...it will give pitchers concern going forward. 3 HR/7 RBI in 3 games change the entire dynamic of a lineup. Now, come 2021, he most likely plays under 100 games and pisses everyone off again. lol

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Eating their own, I love it,🤪

I predicted the Yanks to sweep The Tribe. ☑

I predicted Yanks in 4 over Tampa.

 

[c10j10s]

The fact you still think the Stanton was a good pickup shows everyone how cluessless about Yankee baseball you are. I don't give a rats add about your opinions if that is your starting point. A tack on HR and you think he is a great addition. Laughable.

Calling Stanton’s grand slam a “tack on HR” is unfair and completely disingenuous. It was a 2 run game against a team that has given us a ton of trouble and has had success off Chapman in the past.

 

[WhiteBus]

Calling Stanton’s grand slam a “tack on HR” is unfair and completely disingenuous. It was a 2 run game against a team that has given us a ton of trouble and has had success off Chapman in the past.

Whatever. So that single grand slam suddenly makes that a good trade? Your love affair for Cashman is a bit creepy by keep defending that trade.

 

[RUInsanity]

The fact you still think the Stanton was a good pickup shows everyone how cluessless about Yankee baseball you are. I don't give a rats add about your opinions if that is your starting point. A tack on HR and you think he is a great addition. Laughable.

You appear to be more upset and worried about validating your opinion than enjoying a Yankee win. But then again, I guess that's to be expected from one of the board's most histrionic posters. Weren't you claiming the same things about Clint Frasier last year and bashing other posters who thought you were wrong about him never being a Yankee ever again. Lulz. Try to get a grip.

Stanton's GS allowed Chapman to stay out of the game and save him for a 5 game/5 day series. You continue to have no clue.

 

[RUInsanity]

Eating their own, I love it,🤪

#creepystalker

I guess to be expected when you never have a team to root for in the playoffs every year.

 

[superfan01]

#creepystalker

I guess to be expected when you never have a team to root for in the playoffs every year.

@ruready4somefootball and @Knight Shift habe. both embarassed themselves in this thread. From all their troll talk about how much better petey Alonso was then judge pre season (whats alonso doing now), they have just embarassed themselves with a lack of baseball iq. They should pull the thongs out of their butts , man up and go back to their embarrassin offseason thread and talk about players they won’t pay to sign. The big boys are playing still

 

[c10j10s]

Whatever. So that single grand slam suddenly makes that a good trade? Your love affair for Cashman is a bit creepy by keep defending that trade.

I think you’re getting your responses confused. I’m not defending the trade. All I’m saying is that it’s unfair to characterize his homerun like it didn’t matter. It mattered....a lot.

 

[RUInsanity]

@ruready4somefootball and @Knight Shift habe. both embarassed themselves in this thread. From all their troll talk about how much better petey Alonso was then judge pre season (whats alonso doing now), they have just embarassed themselves with a lack of baseball iq. They should pull the thongs out of their butts , man up and go back to their embarrassin offseason thread and talk about players they won’t pay to sign. The big boys are playing still

Unlike jealous Mets fans (see @rureadytobeacreepystalker) who seem to revel in injury to Yankee players, I like Alonso and wish him well. He's a talented standup guy and role model type. Seems like pitchers have made adjustments to him this year and he needs to now make his own adjustments. MLB needs stars in NY like him and Judge to excel and stay on the field. That all being said, you are right about the Mets fans trash talking.......although I don't recall/may have missed that other snowflake KnightShit in this thread.

 

[Kbee3]

@ruready4somefootball and @Knight Shift habe. both embarassed themselves in this thread. From all their troll talk about how much better petey Alonso was then judge pre season (whats alonso doing now), they have just embarassed themselves with a lack of baseball iq. They should pull the thongs out of their butts , man up and go back to their embarrassin offseason thread and talk about players they won’t pay to sign. The big boys are playing still

"The big boys are playing still."
I like the sound of that.

 

[superfan01]

Unlike jealous Mets fans (see @rureadytobeacreepystalker) who seem to revel in injury to Yankee players, I like Alonso and wish him well. He's a talented standup guy and role model type. Seems like pitchers have made adjustments to him this year and he needs to now make his own adjustments. MLB needs stars in NY like him and Judge to excel and stay on the field. That all being said, you are right about the Mets fans trash talking.......although I don't recall/may have missed that other snowflake KnightShit in this thread.

I agree with this post. Just never understood the pedestal he was put on after his rookie season.
it will be interesting how he adjusts this offseason. His success is critical to that organizations success.

as for the Yankees. When healthy were the best team in the AL. Can’t wait for ganme 2.