OT: NFL 2025 Playoff Games Thread
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Didn't say it was OK. Said it would have been a wasted season for him. How many yards would he have picked up? Would he have broken 1000? And RBs generally have shorter careers.
And for the record I'm a long time Giants fan. Even in the 60s and 70s.
Agreed, even though I am rooting for Buffalo. But as my wife pointed out, that kind of cancels the bad holding call that killed the other Bills drive. So the score is about what it should be.
Huge first possession coming up, if it gets to 28-10 does that take Henry out of the game plan, more of less?
Only saw that other one briefly... thought it was a false start, but not a holding.
Humphrey got away with what could have been targeting, too.
Ravens killing themselves with preventable turnovers... again.
Funny how nobody laments how the Giants didn't sign Derrick Henry. He signed for a little less than Barkely and was just as good.
Since signing a high priced RB was such a slam dunk idea.
I'm reluctant to believe due to my 3 decades of PTSD but I'll say it's a definite.....maybe.
Well, Barkley was one of the highest draft picks in the organization’s history , a franchise player , team captain
He should be MVP too.
I'm tired of QBs like Jackson getting it and then flopping in playoffs
Man terrible way for Bills-Ravens to end on a dropped 2pt conversion pass right in his hands.
We got Playoff Lamar today (not Regular Season MVP Lamar) - two awful turnovers.
Maybe he will get over the hump next season.
Andrews also had a brutal game with the fumble and two drops
Andrews = Jackie Smith 2.0
That was a brutal drop.
Romo was mentioning how great Lamar is and that he's probably MVP again this year.
Lamar is good but I remember how he vanished vs KC last year and just sulked on the bench.
There were weeks of crowning Jackson the King of Football.
Former Steelers QB Ryan Clark (black) said Lamar should win SB because he is " more authentically black" than Mahomes.
His cornrows were cited as evidence of that.
As good as Lamar is there's something agenda-ish about making Lamar serial MVP when the titles aren't there.
There are also other good players who get ignored
I don't blame Jackson because he seems like a good guy just playing ball.
If he gets MVP again after Saquon's season (he only needed 100 yds vs Giants for title) then its a bigger fix than Mahomes penalty
Jason Whitlock: How Race Baiters Cost the Ravens a Shot at the Super Bowl | AM 570 LA Sports | FOX Sports Radio
Watch Jason Whitlock of Blaze TV’s Fearless explain why Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens fell victim to a ‘race hoax’ that cost the Ravens a trip to the Super Bowl in their 17-10 AFC Championship Game loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Jeez dude …let me educate you : the mvp award has nothing to do with the playoffs ; Andrews lost the game for Baltimore.Romo was mentioning how great Lamar is and that he's probably MVP again this year.
Lamar is good but I remember how he vanished vs KC last year and just sulked on the bench.
There were weeks of crowning Jackson the King of Football.
Former Steelers QB Ryan Clark (black) said Lamar should win SB because he is " more authentically black" than Mahomes.
His cornrows were cited as evidence of that.
As good as Lamar is there's something agenda-ish about making Lamar serial MVP when the titles aren't there.
There are also other good players who get ignored
I don't blame Jackson because he seems like a good guy just playing ball.
If he gets MVP again after Saquon's season (he only needed 100 yds vs Giants for title) then its a bigger fix than Mahomes penalty
Jason Whitlock: How Race Baiters Cost the Ravens a Shot at the Super Bowl | AM 570 LA Sports | FOX Sports Radio
Watch Jason Whitlock of Blaze TV’s Fearless explain why Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens fell victim to a ‘race hoax’ that cost the Ravens a trip to the Super Bowl in their 17-10 AFC Championship Game loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.am570lasports.iheart.com
Romo was mentioning how great Lamar is and that he's probably MVP again this year.
Lamar is good but I remember how he vanished vs KC last year and just sulked on the bench.
There were weeks of crowning Jackson the King of Football.
Former Steelers QB Ryan Clark (black) said Lamar should win SB because he is " more authentically black" than Mahomes.
His cornrows were cited as evidence of that.
As good as Lamar is there's something agenda-ish about making Lamar serial MVP when the titles aren't there.
There are also other good players who get ignored
I don't blame Jackson because he seems like a good guy just playing ball.
If he gets MVP again after Saquon's season (he only needed 100 yds vs Giants for title) then its a bigger fix than Mahomes penalty
Jason Whitlock: How Race Baiters Cost the Ravens a Shot at the Super Bowl | AM 570 LA Sports | FOX Sports Radio
Watch Jason Whitlock of Blaze TV’s Fearless explain why Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens fell victim to a ‘race hoax’ that cost the Ravens a trip to the Super Bowl in their 17-10 AFC Championship Game loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Is it the same agenda that had Payton Manning winning multiple MVPs when the titles weren't there yet?
Also, if Lamar doesn't win - it's unlikely to be Saquon.
MVP would be Josh Allen it seems.
Allen was the front runner until the last couple of weeks of the season.
Is that the same fix?
Lamar had a bad INT and he got stripped of the ball.
Andrews was way after that.
Lamar got flattened in last year's title game and spent 2nd half sulking.
That should all be part of making someone MVP.
He's not a big gamer.
Ravens made a mistake relying on him in bad weather and only running Henry 16 times for 84 yds 1TD (Saquon ran 26x) .
Jackson is a magician sometimes but he's overrated a bit
I never followed Manning.
My sense was that he was better than the team he was on with the screwy philosophy by Bill Polian.
Polian felt Manning would usually put Colts ahead and opposing teams would have to play catch-up.
It was Polian's idea to have lighter/faster players on defense in order to defend the catch-up pass game.
In playoffs the bigger/stronger teams used to push Colts around.
Allen has a case for MVP but I dont hear anyone saying its because he's authentically white - that's the Lamar burden.
Media people make clear there's some favoritism going on with Lamar.
His 2023 MVP season wasn't as good as Dak's season
24 TDs with 7 INTs is Daniel Jones terrain
Dak had 36 TDs and 9 INTs.
Yeah that's OK.
I just think of Jackson as what Francesa calls "a compiler" in baseball - big stats with skinny achievements.
Ravens rely on Jackson heroics too much.
There's no way a bad weather game should have Henry with only 16 carries while Lamar is playing one man band.
It all reminds me of those spread offenses that go 11-1 and then get killed in bowls.
Some teams set their stars up to be regular season heroes and then the good playoff defenses trip them up
I know it's been said before in this thread, but...
- MVP balloting is based on current year, regular season performance ONLY.
- What happened in this year's postseason is irrelevant. How can it be otherwise? The balloting has already occurred!
- What happened in last year's postseason is equally irrelevant.
I can't believe it...lol I did not expect this from you man. First of all Ryan Clark was a safety not a QB. But he did not make that statement, I'm sure you know how click bait works. He said Lamar Jackson carries himself in a way that isn't synonymous with the QB position. The way speaks, dresses etc...similar to deion sanders. Clark said that it would be special for children from a similar culture to see someone that reminds them of themselves or their father or an uncle have success. Things like this are interesting to me because I'm wondering do people know how the Internet and click bait works? Or do people know but don't care when it fits a narrative they want to push?Romo was mentioning how great Lamar is and that he's probably MVP again this year.
Lamar is good but I remember how he vanished vs KC last year and just sulked on the bench.
There were weeks of crowning Jackson the King of Football.
Former Steelers QB Ryan Clark (black) said Lamar should win SB because he is " more authentically black" than Mahomes.
His cornrows were cited as evidence of that.
As good as Lamar is there's something agenda-ish about making Lamar serial MVP when the titles aren't there.
There are also other good players who get ignored
I don't blame Jackson because he seems like a good guy just playing ball.
If he gets MVP again after Saquon's season (he only needed 100 yds vs Giants for title) then its a bigger fix than Mahomes penalty
Jason Whitlock: How Race Baiters Cost the Ravens a Shot at the Super Bowl | AM 570 LA Sports | FOX Sports Radio
Watch Jason Whitlock of Blaze TV’s Fearless explain why Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens fell victim to a ‘race hoax’ that cost the Ravens a trip to the Super Bowl in their 17-10 AFC Championship Game loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.
As far as Lamar he had 4000 yards passing, 900 yards rushing, 41 tds 4 int. That's the most touchdowns with less than 5 ints ever. The only player to ever throw for 4000 and rush for 900. Lol idk how it's a "media agenda" to praise that type of season. The one thing always said is he doesn't get it done in the playoffs. They say it ALL the time, what do you want them to say? He sucks? Disappointed in you ashokan didn't expect this from you. Smh
Well according to network football hosts Lamar is more worthy than Mahomes because he's "authentically black" (Ryan Clark).
I do think that kind of things figures in because I know how the AP/media crowd crowd rolls (AP/Media do the voting).
There is interest in allowing playoffs to be included in voting
There was also a change in voting for 2022 that can skew more votes to one person (kind of like "ranked choice).
Lamar got 50 votes in 2019 and 493 votes in 2024 (Prescott got 152 and McCaffery 147)
A QB like Mahomes is a playmker first.
His stats might be down (like this year - didn't even make Pro Bowl) but he finds ways to make hard wins happen
I'll pick him over Jackson every time
The Associated Press has decided to revamp how the NFL's MVP award gets voted on
Voting format for NFL MVP award undergoing major change, starting with 2022 season
The Associated Press has decided to revamp how the NFL's MVP award gets voted on
www.cbssports.com
Pressure Mounts for NFL to Change MVP Voting To Factor in Playoff Performances
Pressure Mounts for NFL to Change MVP Voting To Factor in Playoff Performances
The NFL is facing pressure to change the MVP voting to factor in playoff performances following the Buffalo Bills' victory over the Baltimore Ravens.
www.profootballnetwork.com
AH yes - typo - I knew he was a DB because he laid a lot of dirty hits before targeting was a penalty,
With people here arguing that only stats matter I cant see cheering/awarding a guy for the way kids see his appearance.
Nothing wrong with the other guys
Having grown-up with black teammates in a school 1/3 black its usually white people in enclaves who think like that.
It wasn't just "clickbait" - Clark did some deleting when even black fans got upset with him for erasing the earlier black QBs
Personally I played in college with a black QB at the same time Doug Williams was winning a Super Bowl for Redskins.
At this point I find the media fetishizing over QB color a little superficial.
They love to feel Selma was last week and they are heroes.
They are giving ND's Marcus Freeman the treatment now.
Like Tiger Woods he's not into being the black "this/that" since it erases his Asian mother (as Tiger said about his mother).
Black schools are often a disaster and the fathers have usually flown the coop.
What a QB looks like is just another detour into misfocus from the media people who specialize in detours.
At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam
The latest round of state test results is raising alarm in Baltimore City Schools. Project Baltimore found 40% of Baltimore City high schools, where the state e
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I agree with that. It gets annoying when they say "the first black" whatever it is. It's a selling point, marketing, they don't actually care. But for example, as you mention Marcus freeman. I also thought it was annoying when he was hired, how it was said that he only got the job because of DEI. If he wasn't black he wouldn't have gotten the job etc. lol ironically that same crowd couldn't wait to praise his speech after winning last week because of his response to being the first black coach.AH yes - typo - I knew he was a DB because he laid a lot of dirty hits before targeting was a penalty,
With people here arguing that only stats matter I cant see cheering/awarding a guy for the way kids see his appearance.
Nothing wrong with the other guys
Having grown-up with black teammates in a school 1/3 black its usually white people in enclaves who think like that.
It wasn't just "clickbait" - Clark did some deleting when even black fans got upset with him for erasing the earlier black QBs
Personally I played in college with a black QB at the same time Doug Williams was winning a Super Bowl for Redskins.
At this point I find the media fetishizing over QB color a little superficial.
They love to feel Selma was last week and they are heroes.
They are giving ND's Marcus Freeman the treatment now.
Like Tiger Woods he's not into being the black "this/that" since it erases his Asian mother (as Tiger said about his mother).
Black schools are often a disaster and the fathers have usually flown the coop.
What a QB looks like is just another detour into misfocus from the media people who specialize in detours.
At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam
The latest round of state test results is raising alarm in Baltimore City Schools. Project Baltimore found 40% of Baltimore City high schools, where the state e
So while I find it annoying how often it's currently mentioned that someone is "the first black" whatever the position is. I understand that it's a result of integration, being that black people weren't allowed or thought not to be able to do those things. And as we can see by all of the "firstS" it is not so distant history. And some of it is over correction but its pissing too many people off. The media and popular culture will correct, as we can see with the current popular political movements. We will soon find a happy medium. Peace
Edit: Ryan Clark is trying to become a media mogul or whatever. So many people are trying to become media personalities now because of social media and the ability to build your own platform. Problem is these guys aren't trained and many speak without thinking. Trying to be funny as if he's speaking amongst friends. No the whole world is watching, problem is that ESPN, fox all of media want to sell "blackness" and that means guys like Shannon Sharpe drinking Hennessy and smoking black and mild cigars talking nonsense with skip Bayless. Stephen a smith screaming at the top of his lungs like Martin Lawrence for 2 hours on ESPN. Kendrick Perkins being country, I actually like Clark but sometimes he tries to be funny like when he said tua was thick like a stripper. But if you heard the entire statement he made it clear.
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Worst move? Jets trading a first and two seconds for a washed-up (even before the injury) divisive QB, or the Giants letting go of one of the best runners in a generation (albeit injury-prone) to a hated division rival?
I’m enjoying the playoffs this year, but feeling more than a pang of bitterness.
I’m enjoying the playoffs this year, but feeling more than a pang of bitterness.
The Giants may have been marginally competitive AND the Eagles would not be sniffing a Super Bowl. Instead, the Giants have sunk to Jets-level ineptitude.
Lamar played really well at the end of the game - amazing play given the conditions. But yeah, he got off to a rough start. But overall, he did more than enough to win the game.
Also: I will never not be pissed at the Jets for failing to go all in on getting Lamar and instead vastly overpaying a washed-up QB. The Jets may have failed in any endeavor to Lamar as a restricted FA, but would have at least signaled organizational competence.
I felt so bad for Andrews. Tough conditions, great career. But a pair of Bill Buckner all-timers today.
Romo was mentioning how great Lamar is and that he's probably MVP again this year.
Lamar is good but I remember how he vanished vs KC last year and just sulked on the bench.
There were weeks of crowning Jackson the King of Football.
Former Steelers QB Ryan Clark (black) said Lamar should win SB because he is " more authentically black" than Mahomes.
His cornrows were cited as evidence of that.
As good as Lamar is there's something agenda-ish about making Lamar serial MVP when the titles aren't there.
There are also other good players who get ignored
I don't blame Jackson because he seems like a good guy just playing ball.
If he gets MVP again after Saquon's season (he only needed 100 yds vs Giants for title) then its a bigger fix than Mahomes penalty
Jason Whitlock: How Race Baiters Cost the Ravens a Shot at the Super Bowl | AM 570 LA Sports | FOX Sports Radio
Watch Jason Whitlock of Blaze TV’s Fearless explain why Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens fell victim to a ‘race hoax’ that cost the Ravens a trip to the Super Bowl in their 17-10 AFC Championship Game loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Does this really need to be politicized here? Can this crap please be reserved for the CE board.
Ryan Clark is a racist POS. Just swap the word black with white. What would the media say? They would be calling for his head. I recall him bringing up race with Eli Manning years back. He’s a race baiter who shouldn’t have a job doing what he does.Romo was mentioning how great Lamar is and that he's probably MVP again this year.
Lamar is good but I remember how he vanished vs KC last year and just sulked on the bench.
There were weeks of crowning Jackson the King of Football.
Former Steelers QB Ryan Clark (black) said Lamar should win SB because he is " more authentically black" than Mahomes.
His cornrows were cited as evidence of that.
As good as Lamar is there's something agenda-ish about making Lamar serial MVP when the titles aren't there.
There are also other good players who get ignored
I don't blame Jackson because he seems like a good guy just playing ball.
If he gets MVP again after Saquon's season (he only needed 100 yds vs Giants for title) then its a bigger fix than Mahomes penalty
Jason Whitlock: How Race Baiters Cost the Ravens a Shot at the Super Bowl | AM 570 LA Sports | FOX Sports Radio
Watch Jason Whitlock of Blaze TV’s Fearless explain why Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens fell victim to a ‘race hoax’ that cost the Ravens a trip to the Super Bowl in their 17-10 AFC Championship Game loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.
