I’m not calling the devils any names. I’m just flabbergasted as to why a fan doesn’t want the team to make the playoffs
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I never said I don’t want my team in the playoffs. I said I want my team to win the cup..and winning the cup means you’re making the playoffs…so I certainly want my team in the playoffs.
“As a fan, I’d much rather not even make the playoffs”
Let’s cut it right there. Clear statement. Then you say…
“than suffer heart ache year in and year out being so close”
Ok — so you are conditionally saying, you DONT want to make the playoffs if your playoffs end when you are so close (which, statistically, is 99% of the times you make the playoffs because only one team can win the Stanley cup)
how’s that congruent with you saying you want to make the playoffs?
Or are you just talking shit and have no clue what ur saying?
Your example makes it seem like I KNOW whether they’ll win or not before they make the playoffs. Which is impossible to know.
I want my team to make the playoffs every season. And win. I’m not happy with just making the playoffs and don’t consider just making the playoffs a success. Is that more reasonable?
New coach Sheldon Keefe embraces Stanley Cup expectations with the Devils
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Driving past the Prudential Center for a news conference at which he would be introduced at the New Jersey Devils coach, Sheldon Keefe noticed a statue of Hall of Fame goaltender Martin Brodeur in front of the building.It was an instant reminder that the expectations of coaching the Devils in the New York City metropolitan area are no different than what was expected in Toronto for the Maple Leafs.
Winning a Stanley Cup is all that matters, and that's the goal Keefe will bring next season when he takes over another young and talented team that fell short of expectations this past season.
“I know what the expectations are here and what the potential is,” said Keefe, who noted several times that he viewed this job as a fresh start. “To challenge for playoff position in the playoffs and also win the Stanley Cup. Those are the expectations. That’s why I’ve come.”
Keefe said he has spoken with returning players from last season and the common themes were they were all disappointed in missing the playoffs and they are ready to get back to work.
The Devils are loaded with fast, talented players led by Jack and Luke Hughes, Nico Hischier, Jesper Bratt, Dawson Mercer and Timo Meier. The defense struggled after losing Dougie Hamilton to a pectoral injury early in the season and the goaltending has been an issue for a while.
Keefe said he hopes the Devils revert to their form from the 2022-23 season when they had a franchise-record 112 points. They skated fast, put pressure on the puck at both ends of the ice and showed off their skills.
New coach Sheldon Keefe embraces Stanley Cup expectations with the Devils
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Driving past the Prudential Center for a news conference at which he would be introduced at the New Jersey Devils coach, Sheldon Keefe noticed a statue
Can we all agree this should be in the Devils thread?New coach Sheldon Keefe embraces Stanley Cup expectations with the Devils
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Driving past the Prudential Center for a news conference at which he would be introduced at the New Jersey Devils coach, Sheldon Keefe noticed a statue of Hall of Fame goaltender Martin Brodeur in front of the building.
It was an instant reminder that the expectations of coaching the Devils in the New York City metropolitan area are no different than what was expected in Toronto for the Maple Leafs.
Winning a Stanley Cup is all that matters, and that's the goal Keefe will bring next season when he takes over another young and talented team that fell short of expectations this past season.
“I know what the expectations are here and what the potential is,” said Keefe, who noted several times that he viewed this job as a fresh start. “To challenge for playoff position in the playoffs and also win the Stanley Cup. Those are the expectations. That’s why I’ve come.”
Keefe said he has spoken with returning players from last season and the common themes were they were all disappointed in missing the playoffs and they are ready to get back to work.
The Devils are loaded with fast, talented players led by Jack and Luke Hughes, Nico Hischier, Jesper Bratt, Dawson Mercer and Timo Meier. The defense struggled after losing Dougie Hamilton to a pectoral injury early in the season and the goaltending has been an issue for a while.
Keefe said he hopes the Devils revert to their form from the 2022-23 season when they had a franchise-record 112 points. They skated fast, put pressure on the puck at both ends of the ice and showed off their skills.
New coach Sheldon Keefe embraces Stanley Cup expectations with the Devils
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Driving past the Prudential Center for a news conference at which he would be introduced at the New Jersey Devils coach, Sheldon Keefe noticed a statuewww.gazettextra.com
New coach Sheldon Keefe embraces Stanley Cup expectations with the Devils
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Driving past the Prudential Center for a news conference at which he would be introduced at the New Jersey Devils coach, Sheldon Keefe noticed a statue of Hall of Fame goaltender Martin Brodeur in front of the building.
It was an instant reminder that the expectations of coaching the Devils in the New York City metropolitan area are no different than what was expected in Toronto for the Maple Leafs.
Winning a Stanley Cup is all that matters, and that's the goal Keefe will bring next season when he takes over another young and talented team that fell short of expectations this past season.
“I know what the expectations are here and what the potential is,” said Keefe, who noted several times that he viewed this job as a fresh start. “To challenge for playoff position in the playoffs and also win the Stanley Cup. Those are the expectations. That’s why I’ve come.”
Keefe said he has spoken with returning players from last season and the common themes were they were all disappointed in missing the playoffs and they are ready to get back to work.
The Devils are loaded with fast, talented players led by Jack and Luke Hughes, Nico Hischier, Jesper Bratt, Dawson Mercer and Timo Meier. The defense struggled after losing Dougie Hamilton to a pectoral injury early in the season and the goaltending has been an issue for a while.
Keefe said he hopes the Devils revert to their form from the 2022-23 season when they had a franchise-record 112 points. They skated fast, put pressure on the puck at both ends of the ice and showed off their skills.
New coach Sheldon Keefe embraces Stanley Cup expectations with the Devils
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Driving past the Prudential Center for a news conference at which he would be introduced at the New Jersey Devils coach, Sheldon Keefe noticed a statue
I believe you’re looking for this thread:
Mods can move it-ok by me, but there sure has been a lot of talk about the NJ Devs in this thread.
Nah, I still think it fits here too with so much focus on the NJ Devs in these latter thread pages.
Huh? Some posters here are painting a picture of the Devs as some 2nd rate flop franchise because of a down year after a relatively good year. Sorry you're upset. Have a good night.
So….the only reason there’s been discussion about the Devils here is because Devils fans came here to bask in the glow of the Rangers elimination.
The Rangers were a distant third to the Knicks and his shitty band in Dolan’s priorities, now they are 4th with the Sphere.
He cares about winning in terms of making the playoffs and being relevant. If he cared about winning Cups Sather would have lost influence with him about 15 years ago.
Pump the brakes, champ. The rangers won the lottery two years in a row during their rebuild, jumping from 6th to 2nd overall, and 11th to 1st overall, in draft position. Plus, they landed free agent Panarin who took less money to play for the rangers because there are a lot of Russians in Brooklyn. So yeah, their rebuild happened quickly. Luck, not necessarily expert draft & trade chops happened there.
The oilers got #1 overall after #1 overall and arguably the greatest player of all time and it took them a decade+ to make a cup.
The devs got two 1st overall picks and theyve been rebuilding for 12 years
Ill hit the gas
And the Oilers had the third pick the year before they picked McDavid and that just happened to be a year where a guy like Draisaitl is third on the board. Now that's being fortunate.
Laf is definitely blossoming but it's not like he's proven all that much yet. And KK .... some years the #2 is a guy like Eichel. I don't think the Rangers lucked out all that much moving up there that year (hope to be proven wrong on that).
You know I’m a Devils fan, right? And I was the one who advocated for the separate thread.🙂
Which is why I suggested what I did.
Not true. Did it pick up after elimination? Sure.
But I have a running total of posts, made by Ranger fans, in their own thread talking about the Devils.
Fair enough. I grew up an Islanders fan. When the Colorado franchise moved to NJ a couple buddies and I got partial season tix plan for years (Flyers, Rangers and NYI fans, respectively) to go see our teams. The NJ Devils grew on me. I can honestly say I'm an equal Isles-Devs fan. I don't follow hockey as much as I used to because I didn't like all the expansion teams, however, anytime I can give the Rags grief is a good time.
You realize your comment just backs up my point?
The only example you can come up with to show his personal involvement with the Rangers is having one of them play in his stupid band, the band he cares about more than the Knicks or Rangers.
Isn't it a good thing to not have the owner who has no sports experience involved as little as possible with the club? How are things working out for the most active owner in sports with the dallas cowboys?
Dolan is one of the best owners in Hockey. He puts guys in positions, gives them full autonomy and lets them do their thing. He also will pay any amount of money to acquire front office talent and coaching.
He put someone in position (Sather) and allows them to have influence for decades regardless of his track record. That’s not a good owner, let alone one of the best.
The good owners aren’t Dolan OR Jerry Jones. The good owners put guys in positions, give them full autonomy, let them do their thing, AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE IF THEY DON’T SUCCEED.
Dolan doesn’t do the last part, and you appear to miss how important that is.
Sather famously said: "if I had the Rangers payroll I could win the Cup every year."
Now the cap was implemented during his tenure, so that had an impact, but to say it simply; NO.
Sather's track record ends with the early 90s, once the core of the 80s teams left, he was average at best.
Now the cap was implemented during his tenure, so that had an impact, but to say it simply; NO.
Sather's track record ends with the early 90s, once the core of the 80s teams left, he was average at best.
I apologize for getting triggered and calling you names. You made a few posts that directly insinuated only the cup matters and you dont care about missing the playoffs. If you're a player I get that - makes no sense as a fan - but I can kind of understand what you were trying to say now.
The Rangers have been a bad 5v5 team for years and were bottom half of the league this season. If you are pinning hope on riding a power play and goaltending to a cup and it works that's great and very fortunate but not sustainable. The trade deadline was a failure and now the cap looms large.
No need to apologize. Thanks though.
Sometimes I’m not the best..especially in typing..or explaining what u truly mean. Obviously I want my teams in the playoffs every year. But I want my teams to win the championship every year.
Let's be honest. There is one Rangers fan / 1 Devils fan (one talks a ton of sh*t and the other just likes having arguments for sport) having that back and forth. For the rest of the Rangers fans all that back and forth just ruined a good thread. Devils thread is the appropriate place for any Devils talk. There are good Devils fans in this thread that contribute respectfully.
The Rangers don’t have a big cap problem, unless they do something new that is stupid like turning Lindgren into Dan Girardi 2.0.
I just disagree. The post lockout mid 2000's through a wrench into a lot of things. Slats got the rangers to be perennial contenders starting around 2010. Kicked it off with the scott gomez trade which he somehow got ryan mcdonagh out of. Slats stepped down in what 2015? By that time the rangers from 2012 to 2015 went to 3 conference finals and made one cup.
JD and Gorton then came along and dolan didn't like how things were going and how we were softer than baby shit and basically told them to fvck off and brought in a career hockey guy in drury who is not running the show. Also, he pays the highest paid goalie coach of all time which has led us to going from being able to go from richter to hank to igor of which he personally coached the latter 2.
This is nonsensical hate here.
This is about the best the rangers can do I believe. https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/844681?post_id=4957203
1) trade kakko and lindgren to san jose for the penguins 1st rounder (14th overall). Makes sense for the sharks so they have a young albeit unproven winger to play with smith/celebrini and a dman who can provide some leadership to the young guys
2) sign Max Domi and TJ Brodie. Domi is extremely valuable to NYR due to chytil's health concerns as max can play both RW and Center. Brodie can be paired with Fox and then at the TDL acquire someone like chychrun for a 1st and bump brodie down to 3rd pair. I'd also take a run at Yianni Gourde next deadline. Probably means parting with a solid prospect though
Opening Night:
Kreider-Mika-Laff
Panarin-Trocheck-Domi
Cuylle-Chytil-Vesey
Edstrom-Goodrow-Rempe
Brodz
Brodie-Fox
Kandre-Schneider
Jones-Trouba
Robertson
Post Trade Deadline:
Trades:
1st rounder to Sens for Chychrun
Brett Berard and Matthew Robertson for Yianni Gourde
Kreider-Mika-Laff
Panarin-Trocheck-Domi
Cuylle-Chytil-Gourde
Edstrom-Goodrow-Vesey
Rempe Brodz
Chychrun-Fox
Kandre-Schneider
Brodie-Trouba
Jones
You are way ahead in looking at the specifics of next year’s lineup, I just see the available space and spots to fill and it seems very doable.
Next year is when it gets more difficult. Miller, Shesty and Laf are all up.
So Florida teams have won the Eastern conference 5 straight years.
Interesting article in WSJ this weekend that talks about how the NHL is different than other pro leagues and state income tax matters more in signing players. Says it's giving a huge advantage to no tax states in signing players as the NHL has barely moved up the salary cap since 2020
Doesn't read good for Rags and Devs in high tax states
Interesting article in WSJ this weekend that talks about how the NHL is different than other pro leagues and state income tax matters more in signing players. Says it's giving a huge advantage to no tax states in signing players as the NHL has barely moved up the salary cap since 2020
Doesn't read good for Rags and Devs in high tax states
The article explains what has happened, but does a poor job explaining what we know going forward that weakens the impact of their premise (the cap is expected to go up about 4.5 million a year this upcoming year, and the year after that, so a lot of teams have more money to spend).
The Devils, Rangers and Islanders are at a disadvantage to the no state income tax teams, but there are about 10 teams (the California and Canadian teams) worse off than them.
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