OT. NYC Detective vs Uber driver.
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Cop was out of line, but hopefully his punishment does go overboard. 1 week suspension should suffice. In the grand scheme of things it wasn't horrible.
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I grew up in NYC and have family who were part of NYC's finest. I have great respect for folks that fill that role. However, the consistency with which the NYPD not only commits outrages against innocent citizens, but covers up the outrages is deeply troubling.
Even when the city pays out millions in civil law suit damages for the conduct of recalcitrant officers, the cop involved is virtually never fired or loses a penny of his or other benefits as NY residents' tax dollars continue to pour into their pockets.
For example, a law student took a cop to court recently and won because after the kid complained to the cop (politely) about cop's illegal parking or something like that - or the kid wanted a parking spot that he had gotten to first (I can't remember) . The cop's response was to ticket the KID - who had done nothing wrong. Just outrageous.
Indicted Staten Island Rep. Grimm (a thug himself who famously threatened to throw a reporter off a capitol hill stairway while Grimm was a serving Congressman), as you may recall) was formerly with the FBI or similar federal law enforcement agency. He was at a bar and chatting with a women. Her husband came in and said what's going on, Grimm immediately called his buddies on the NYPD and they show up at the bar had the husband removed and, I believe, he was charged with "resisting arrest". Happens every day in NYC.
Even when the city pays out millions in civil law suit damages for the conduct of recalcitrant officers, the cop involved is virtually never fired or loses a penny of his or other benefits as NY residents' tax dollars continue to pour into their pockets.
For example, a law student took a cop to court recently and won because after the kid complained to the cop (politely) about cop's illegal parking or something like that - or the kid wanted a parking spot that he had gotten to first (I can't remember) . The cop's response was to ticket the KID - who had done nothing wrong. Just outrageous.
Indicted Staten Island Rep. Grimm (a thug himself who famously threatened to throw a reporter off a capitol hill stairway while Grimm was a serving Congressman), as you may recall) was formerly with the FBI or similar federal law enforcement agency. He was at a bar and chatting with a women. Her husband came in and said what's going on, Grimm immediately called his buddies on the NYPD and they show up at the bar had the husband removed and, I believe, he was charged with "resisting arrest". Happens every day in NYC.
maybe it's also that NYPD has 35,000 uniformed police officers. with that number of people, there are bound to be a large amount of of bad eggs, just based on the numbers.
even if there are .1% bad eggs, that is 35 bad eggs. and it only takes 1 bad egg to make the news.
even if there are .1% bad eggs, that is 35 bad eggs. and it only takes 1 bad egg to make the news.
Good point Kenny. It's a huge force. There undoubtedly is going to be some d-bags. I live in NYC and have never encountered a disrespectful officer. Perhaps that's because I obey the law and stay out of trouble...
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I see a language/culture barrier here. Growing up in America I understand that when responding affirmatively to an officer you say "yes sir" you under no circumstance say "okay". Okay is not the same as yes, it comes off condescending, and this driver does not realize that.
That being said this cop is obviously a power tripping douche bag. I hope he gets put on a beat in crown heights but not fired
That being said this cop is obviously a power tripping douche bag. I hope he gets put on a beat in crown heights but not fired
He needs to be fired. That type of agressive behavior is what is wrong with police today. This needs to be weeded out once and for all. No excuses.
I had a friend that had a panic attack in the subway due to clostraphobia, this person saw an officer and reached out for help. The officer gave my friend a ticket for going through the gate to get to the officer rather than the turnstile. The officer didn't give a shit that they were having a panic attack or that they had a monthly subway pass. They just don't care.
While the officer is clearly agitated and outraged, I don't like to pass judgment on an incident when it is not the full video. If you listen to the beginning of the video, it sounds like the driver mouthed off to the officer and was indignant. Office said he could write him up for 5 traffic violations. The officer is on the joint terrorism task force--not an easy job. Put yourself in the officer's shoes. you pull a guy over for a traffic violation, and he mouths off to you and asks why are you stopping me. I'd be pissed too. Is the officer's reaction inappropriate--probably, but out of control--I don't think so.
Millenials have created a culture where it is cute to disrespect and taunt the police, and it is becoming more difficult to be a police officer.
Millenials have created a culture where it is cute to disrespect and taunt the police, and it is becoming more difficult to be a police officer.
In theory, I'd agree. But I don't believe this officer pulled over the Uber driver. The officer was parking on the street and apparently did not use his turn signal to indicate he was beginning to park, which certainly can be confusing for the driver behind (the Uber driver). When the Uber driver honked, presumably to indicate a dangerous situation (and possibly out of frustration), the officer began the power trip. That's the way the story/video reads.
If they're going to suspend him, it damn well better be without pay.
Nothing pisses me off more than when a cop is caught red-handed doing something that a civilian would serve jail time for, or be fined hundreds if not thousands of dollars for, and the cop just gets suspended with pay.
I don't think police officers on "the joint terrorism task force" are issuing traffic violations. My brother in law was a burglary detective (suburbs) and when he was in a position where he had to issue a ticket he had to get retrained on the process since it had been so long since he issued one.
You don't think that cop was out of control? Are you serious?
Nothing about that video showed even an ounce of restraint by that douchebag? Why do you also fail to mention that the cop was double-parked with no blinker on...in front of a green light?
I'll bet the cop couldn't give the driver a ticket even if he wanted to since he likely didn't have any on him to give....
For the good cops, video can also help them when dealing with the public, showing what actually happens rather than an I said/they said situation. If the Uber driver did something that outraged the cop, there's no evidence of it. I'm sure the Uber passenger started taping when he noticed the cop was acting in an agressive manner.
For the good cops, video can also help them when dealing with the public, showing what actually happens rather than an I said/they said situation. If the Uber driver did something that outraged the cop, there's no evidence of it. I'm sure the Uber passenger started taping when he noticed the cop was acting in an agressive manner.
I took an amazing course in rutgers-newark called "the anthropological history of the NYPD".
The guy who taught it was an advisor on the film " gangs of new York". He's on the DVD extras even.
His knowledge of New York city, going all the way back to the dutch is astounding. He has pieces together so many various sources and the picture we get of the city is very real.
Long story short, the NYPD has a culture of corruption dating centuries back. Its been memorialized in films like serpico and others. The NYPD is simply one of the most corrupt departments in the U.S.
I havnt seen this video yet, and I'm not an anti-police guy by any stretch, but the NYPD is known for many ills.
The guy who taught it was an advisor on the film " gangs of new York". He's on the DVD extras even.
His knowledge of New York city, going all the way back to the dutch is astounding. He has pieces together so many various sources and the picture we get of the city is very real.
Long story short, the NYPD has a culture of corruption dating centuries back. Its been memorialized in films like serpico and others. The NYPD is simply one of the most corrupt departments in the U.S.
I havnt seen this video yet, and I'm not an anti-police guy by any stretch, but the NYPD is known for many ills.
You lost me at "he mouths off to you and ASKS WHY YOU ARE STOPPING ME?"
Is this the united states of america or is this a totalitarian police state? Every profession has to do with people who annoy them. This kinds of situations with police have to be very common, so an officer should know by now to stay professional.
One thing I get annoyed w about police is that they act as if they are the judge and jury in order to intimidate people, but they are only the "muscle" arm of the system. Of course there are many investigatory police officers who know the law better.
You go back to this generational issue again. And I must say, having spent much time growing up in a small town where officers make 6 figures, have been caught molesting Kids, harassing women, and generally acting militant, while very little crime goes on, and then having spent time in a rough city where cops get paid little and really have their hands full, it is much more than simply "millenials" taunting police. . .
I have spoken to many older folks who agree, police culture was much different years ago. The more that these generations of kids grow up, mostly millenials, in towns where officers have been general a-holes, the more they will develop an attitude about them. In these towns, the cops are quite literally, the same jerks who got into fights, and trouble as kids, now walking around with a badge and on a power trip. How can you expect them to be respected?
Now, where I 100% agree that this is a problem, is when these suburban millenials start applying their predisposed feelings about police to officers in rough areas and in the inner-city where things are much much different. The predisposition of these people bleeds into all police departments and certainly makes a good cops job harder.
NJ should abolish local police in all but the big cities, and form county forces and this problem could be rectified here. The state police, based on my dealings with them, are a top notch, well trained, professional organization with knowledge of the law for instance. . .
Bad apples are everywhere, but the real problem is the police protect their own bad apples rather than getting rid of them. There needs to be proper application of the law regladless of your status in law enforcement.
Would also love to see police pension funds pay a portion of civil lawsuits against police- that would clear these shenanigans up real fast.
Would also love to see police pension funds pay a portion of civil lawsuits against police- that would clear these shenanigans up real fast.
With the crime stats coming out since DeBlowio ended stop and frisk, he is has a lot bigger problems on his hands than the police.
There are so many things wrong with this post.
Fristly, unless both the article and Uber passenger (who filmed the video) are both lying, the detective's rant was a result of being honked at while attempting to park without using a turn signal. He was in an unmarked vehicle, not in uniform, and off-duty. As someone who has lived in NYC much of their life, I can tell you that obstructing the street/avenue in this city without signaling your intention is basically asked to get honked at. If you can't handle that (among other issues), you should not be driving in this city.
Secondly, I've been pulled over by the anti-terrorism task force while in a moving fan (near the WTC site, of all places), and the officers were quite courteous and professional the entire time. Saying 'okay' and asking 'why are you stopping me' are perfectly legal things to do with all U.S. law enforcement.
Finally, no matter what 'traffic violations' transpired prior to the video's beginning, there is ZERO excuse for slamming the Uber driver's door, hurling verbal obscenities, threatening jailtime for said traffic violations, and worst of all insulting the Uber driver based on his accent.
It is incidents like these that degrade my respect for the police. And while I don't think it's cute to disrespect and taunt them for doing sometimes thankless jobs, I will criticize their actions where I see fit.
Why does an incident by one person degrade your respect for all police? If this was a teacher who was filmed, would your respect for teachers go down?
One d-bag cop doesn't make cops disrespectful. One racist cop doesn't make all cops racist. Just like one d-bag teacher, or truck driver, or salesman doesn't make all of them disrespectful.
With respect to the NYPD, the incidents of abuse occur with shocking frequency - and these are ones that get on video, etc. or are otherwise exposed to the public. For each one publicized, the blue wall of science covers up dozens more ("oh, those bruises, he fell down a flight of stairs" or "he was resisting arrest...". As I noted above, even when he city pays out huge sums to victims of this abuse, officers involved are rarely punished and almost never lose their pecuniary benefits. Great use of the taxpayers money.
I never said any loss of respect was based off of one incident. Rather, it's an accumulation of numerous instances of unacceptable law enforcement conduct with few (if any) repercussions that paint a bad picture; additionally there have been several unwarranted personal encounters with suburban officers that I'm not going into detail about that factor in.
And guess what? Filming is a definitive way to level the playing field against people in any position of power or authority (be it police officers, teachers, politicians, etc.) who conduct themselves in an inappropriate and/or unacceptable manner. Given a lack of documented proof, many instances become cases of 'he said, she said' (as i suspect the incident under discussion would have).
Please find someone else to attempt to lecture about painting with broad strokes. Thanks.
This post was edited on 4/2 1:37 PM by RUsSKii
You make an interesting and valid point, which i think is cause for further inquiry. While I 100% agree with you, and see filming as an extension of this countries freedom of the press etc. even on an individual scale, I think a HUGE danger is the fact that such filming/videos/soundbytes etc. Can be taken out of context and edited easily, and with the "twitter" culture, they can cause mass hysteria and ruin people and spread false things very very quickly. This is a double-edged sword I am a bit wary of. This is why everyone should be carrying cameras, including police officers. So there are 2 sides to every story.
Just to clarify: I respect police & law enforcement as a whole, having worked cooperatively with them before and fully realizing that they have an inherently difficult job in dealing with the public. However, I do not view them as some higher power/authority who is incapable of wrongdoing and undeserving of criticism. The loss of respect stems from when individuals who conduct themselves unacceptably are not dealt with sufficiently or removed entirely. In that sense, a group/team is only as strong as its weakest link..
This post was edited on 4/2 3:05 PM by RUsSKii
You know whats even scarier is that these cops carry their weapon when they go out to bars while off- duty
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This cop has 12 civilian complaints in 13 years.
Joint Terror Task Force or not, he's pretty much an asshole...
Joint Terror Task Force or not, he's pretty much an asshole...
Actually looks more to be the case that the cop attacked the wrong uber driver. Next time he should behave like an officer of the law and not like the schoolyard bully because he has a badge.
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