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Rx opioid abuse is a case study of doctor shopping. The data is crystal clear on this.
OT: oh oh oh Ozempic !
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Rx opioid abuse is a case study of doctor shopping. The data is crystal clear on this.
It’s a way different ballgame now as there are all the online pharmacies. You can’t compare it to that. And pretty much all of the online pharmacies will prescribe snd fill . Like they do with all other stuff that you see ads for during football games :)
But wasn’t a good portion of that 1% because the Dr was getting kickbacks or was shady. Isnt it basically illegal to even wine and dine MD’s these days? Like opioid companies were paying docs 10’s of thousands to speak at Bs vacations.
Kickbacks from pharma were not a big issue - opioids have been off patent for a long, long time and PhRMA gift restrictions date back almost 20 years.
Reasons for overly Rx'ing opioids:
1. Some docs were true believers and thought it was the right thing to do.
2. Some wanted to make patients happy, get more visits, and increase the revenue of their practices (i.e., doc shopping).
3. Some were legit crooks and would Rx the pills to know dealers for bribes.
Remember, the VAST amount of opioid abuse was not from legal Rx'ing. It was from illegal trafficking and distribution.
There’s still a doctor writing the prescription for the online pharmacy. They’re the new “pill mill”
Why are regulatory bodies allowing them to be prescribed so easily to patients who don’t fit the criteria.
Ozempic is a weekly injection that's approved by the FDA to treat type 2 diabetes in adults. It's not approved for weight loss, but some doctors prescribe it for that purpose.
Is that statement wrong? Seriously asking as the internet likes to lie
On the flip side, if you want your kid to skip vaccines required for school attendance by states across the country, you can home school them. Or, I guess, have them start in second or third grade after your 0-6 designation runs out.
Schools are enough of a petri dish with illnesses for which there are no vaccines.
Also, a bunch of those aren't even required in NJ.
But they are recommended and pushed. You concerned your kid will get Hep B in pre k?
I could have sworn the threshold was mandates. Now we're going to ban recommendations?
Chickenpox is an important one to get. No chickenpox, no shingles in later life. Parents need see the forest from the trees. And any parent that doesn't get their kids the HPV vaccine are truly awful parents.
When the government granted the vax makers no liability, why do they hide things like this?
A Young Child Died During Moderna COVID Vaccine Clinical Trial — Did FDA Know?
A preschool-aged child died of cardio-respiratory arrest after getting a COVID-19 booster in a Moderna clinical trial, according to an investigation by journalist Alex Berenson. The FDA has yet to answer the question: Did the agency know about the death?
childrenshealthdefense.org
No. My initial comment was there are too many and not all necessary. Then I followed up that they shouldn’t be mandated. So if that’s your bar. Them Covid. No kid should have been forced to get it. Period.
So they should get the chickenpox vaccine so that they can be told to get the shingles vaccine at 50? Or are we going to get rid of shingles vaccine once the chicken pox vaccine celebrates its 50th birthday?
I don’t know if you’re wrong . I know a lot of people that get prescribed it that don’t have type 2 diabetes. I have also heard instances that insurance didn’t cover the medication , so they had to go out of pocket.
If you never get chickenpox, you theoretically can never get shingles. So why would you need that vaccine?
Only vaccines that need herd immunity to be effective and cause serious childhood disease should be mandated. Hep B, rotavirus, flu, COVID, chicken pox, HPV, Hepatitis A should be recommended but not mandated.
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Unless I'm missing an addendum, flu, covid, HPV and rotavirus are not mandated. Which is fine.
I'm with T2K on chickenpox.
I'd be fine with recommendations for those others, but I'm not losing sleep that there are mandates in effect.
Followed up? In the same fkn post and paragraph:
"Some. In my opinion, we have way too many vaccines and they aren’t all necessary. And they definitely shouldn’t be mandated."
And no kid is forced to get Covid vaccine. Period.
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Not sure why a Dr would take the risk of prescribing Ozempic against label for weight loss when they have other options......i.e. Wegovy, Mounjaro and Zepbound. Maybe your friends are not coming clean about having Type 2 diabetes?
You tell me. I’m not the one that tells people they should get it after 50. And getting the chicken pox vaccine actually causes chicken pox in a small percentage of people. Additionally, Up to 30% of vaccinated people still get chicken pox anyway. Ironically, shingles affects 20-30% of the population over 50. So if 30% of vaccinated people still get chicken pox it’s safe to assume vaccinated people will still get shingles.
Yeah sorry I am using ozempic interchangeably with those drugs . I think some of those people were prescribed the ones you mentioned .
But my overall point was it was very easy to get . No real doctor appointment . Fill out a form online and a 1 minute telehealth visit . I don’t know anyone that wanted one of these weight loss drugs that didn’t get a prescription for it. Pill mills or injection mills now
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What world do you live in. Rutgers didn’t require the vaccine for its students into 2023.
New York City, home to the nation’s largest school district, has mandated its 20,000 student-athletes participating in sports get vaccinated, due to a high-risk of spreading COVID-19.
Here’s the list of mandatory vaccines for NJ. Pretty sure some that you said weren’t required are.
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A lot of 0 to 6 year olds going to Rutgers?
Or playing HS sports in NYC ?
It generally helps your argument to remember wtf that argument is. At least in the world I live in.
Great point, maybe you should follow your own advice. Lets actually look at how this conversation unfolded.
I made a comment that a poster thinks everyone should be on meds because they are the best including vaccines.
you chimed in that isn't basically everyone "on vaccines and for good reason"
I responded: that in my opinion there are too many and they all aren't necessary and definitely shouldn't be mandated. Zero mention of NJ
To which you replied "some definitely should be mandated. Which ones are superflous". Zero mention of NJ
I responded with a list of vaccines that are mandated. I used 0-6 because those are the most often discussed when people discuss vaccines. Still ZERO mention on NJ
You responded if you want to skip vaccines required by A BUNCH OF STATES then homeschool.
followed by a bunch of those aren't requited in NJ.
I said the ones that aren't requited are pushed heavily.
You made a dumb comment about banning recommendations.
I stated that my initial comment was simply that there are too many. they shouldn't be mandated especially covid
Then you responded to another person that Flu, covid, HV, and rotovirus shouldn't be mandated. Again you make ZERO mention of state.
Then you made another snarky comment and said no kid is required to get covid vaccine. Again no mention of NJ 0-6 year olds
To which I gave you two examples of kids being required to get Covid vaccines.
So in the entire thread you mentioned NJ exactly 1 time. And never made mention of 0-6 until your last post
that's some world you live in.
You are making a lot of assumptions. Need to see the real data, but you are probably wrong.
Just as an aside, my younger son Corey started at Rutgers in Fall of 2023, and literally up until August Rutgers was saying that they were going to require all students to get the booster. Middle of August they finally dropped that ridiculous requirement.
I believe the same thing happened with Fen Phen in the early 90's which was just supposed to be used for obesity, but then doctors started prescribing it to everybody who wanted to quickly drop a few pounds.
My father in law got a bad case of shingles, and it was so nasty, I decided to get the Shingrix vaccine. I had chicken pox as a kid. That vax knocked the living crap out of me for almost an entire week. The durability of Shingrix is apparently 10 years. Not going through that again. Not sure how accurate this site is, but it says Shingrix is 89% effective for up to 10 years.
How Long Does the Shingles Vaccine Last?
The shingles vaccine remains nearly 90% effective for at least 10 years after administration, according to long-term follow-up studies. Previous studies found the vaccine to be effective for at least 7 years.
Yea, I’ve seen shingles vaccine is up to 93% effective. About 30% of over 50 population gets shingles every year. I’ve also seen people really suffer with the pain of shingles. I’m all for people getting it if they choose. But I don’t the logic of giving kids a chicken pox vaccine in hopes they aren’t one of the 30% 50 years from now.My father in law got a bad case of shingles, and it was so nasty, I decided to get the Shingrix vaccine. I had chicken pox as a kid. That vax knocked the living crap out of me for almost an entire week. The durability of Shingrix is apparently 10 years. Not going through that again. Not sure how accurate this site is, but it says Shingrix is 89% effective for up to 10 years.
How Long Does the Shingles Vaccine Last?
The shingles vaccine remains nearly 90% effective for at least 10 years after administration, according to long-term follow-up studies. Previous studies found the vaccine to be effective for at least 7 years.www.verywellhealth.com
I’m all for people doing whatever they want for themselves and their kids. I just personally feel we put way to much crap into our developing kids bodies.
Shringix (and the other) prevent cases but also lessens the intensity of cases if you happen to get one.My father in law got a bad case of shingles, and it was so nasty, I decided to get the Shingrix vaccine. I had chicken pox as a kid. That vax knocked the living crap out of me for almost an entire week. The durability of Shingrix is apparently 10 years. Not going through that again. Not sure how accurate this site is, but it says Shingrix is 89% effective for up to 10 years.
How Long Does the Shingles Vaccine Last?
The shingles vaccine remains nearly 90% effective for at least 10 years after administration, according to long-term follow-up studies. Previous studies found the vaccine to be effective for at least 7 years.
Yes, which makes be a massive supporter of vaccinations. Pretty simple.
That's some work you put in there. Sad waste.
You set the parameters of 0 to 6 so that's what we were talking about. Also makes sense as a reference point since that's when kids start K-12.
I used NJ because that's where you live as far as I know. Not to mention most of the board. Wasn't looking to compile a 50-state tutorial. Maybe I should have used AZ because that's where you live in your mind?
Regardless, as I said, no state in the country mandates Covid for school or childcare (0 to 6 or right through 12th grade, to be clear)
Notice that big ol' blank sheet: https://www.immunize.org/official-g...vaccine-requirements/covid-child-school-2024/
No. I set the parameters of there are too many vaccines, they aren’t all needed and shouldn’t be mandated. That’s want I said. Then you asked for examples. You brought in NJ. When I gave examples I said off the top of my head 0-6. I didn’t know I had to go through every age group of unnecessary shots.
Yeah, so that group is what I used thereafter. And since childhood vaccine reqs come at the state level, I used your own state, one I'd imagine leaning on the side of more mandated vaccines vs fewer. The exemplary schools of NJ is a commonly discussed theme here, too.
So why would we start with a different state? It doesn't really make much sense to complain about reqs in a random state you'll never live within hundreds of miles of.
And NJ doesn't require multiple ones you cited originally. So I guess you're good.
