you wouldn't happen to know any VC's that could help get my company off the ground, would you? haha
OT: Poor Talia Jane
- Thread starter DJ Spanky
- Start date
you wouldn't happen to know any VC's that could help get my company off the ground, would you? haha
I will try to resist the temptation to paint all millenials, but as I've hired people into my group, I will say the sense of entitlement is there with several of the younger generation--they want the title and what comes with it without earning it. It was pretty apparent during the interview process--we have not hired any of them. We have hired a few millenials that have not demonstrated that, who are willing to role up their sleeves and look at the opportunity to grow and learn and contribute.
I am 41 and I will say there is something different with the younger generation. Now admittingly I am younger than most if not all in similar roles at my company but I earned my stripes--my group knows that and I'd like to think respects that.
BTW, she deserved what she got.
I am 41 and I will say there is something different with the younger generation. Now admittingly I am younger than most if not all in similar roles at my company but I earned my stripes--my group knows that and I'd like to think respects that.
BTW, she deserved what she got.
That just pushed you over the edge to weird stalker, along with being a complete poseur and moron. I wasn't even involved in this thread.
Go start another really smart, incisive thread of your own; I want to see it blow up in your face again. After soiling faces all over the Internet, Ron Jeremy's e-career now consists of him getting sh#t on.
Outside of the general age and crankiness of this forum, I don't get why folks trip over themselves to gang up on "entitled" millennials. Sure, some are entitled, just like some of your age bracket was. But they're not all entitled, lazy whiners and there are some good trends across that age bracket. Millennials are more into volunteering/community service than previous generations and they're more entrepreneurial and likely to go out and start a business (you know, that "job creation" white haired conservatives are so fond of talking up) instead of just being a cog in the wheel like so many here advocate.
This Talia girl may have gone about it all wrong, but her thought process wasn't that far off. Instead of just accepting this board's prevailing wisdom of "work your ass off for peanuts to move up the ladder later," why shouldn't a young person question why he or she needs to do that just because that's what other generations did. Sure those questions should have led to actions other than posting a social media rant v the CEO, but asking them at all is a smarter thing to do in today's world than just blindly accepting status quo. That company you might otherwise work so hard for is likely to lay you off when you do finally start making money or maybe go bankrupt because of improper/illegal practices at the top.
This Talia girl may have gone about it all wrong, but her thought process wasn't that far off. Instead of just accepting this board's prevailing wisdom of "work your ass off for peanuts to move up the ladder later," why shouldn't a young person question why he or she needs to do that just because that's what other generations did. Sure those questions should have led to actions other than posting a social media rant v the CEO, but asking them at all is a smarter thing to do in today's world than just blindly accepting status quo. That company you might otherwise work so hard for is likely to lay you off when you do finally start making money or maybe go bankrupt because of improper/illegal practices at the top.
My immediate reaction would be "because now she's supporting herself with a GoFundMe campaign and isn't actually adding value.
Fugly and Can Haz Cats aside, I'll reserve judgement on the chick with two first names and see where she lands / what she makes of herself.
I'm not gonna stick up for her, but don't know why people project onto an entire generation. Actually I don't know why we have "generations" at all, save for giving older folks a more formal way of requesting that their greens be left alone.
I thought your post was one of the best ones - youths have been entitled and whiny for ages; it's just that they have more powerful tools today. Even just 15 years ago, maybe you wrote that rant on your personal blog and nobody but your three followers read it. Now the entire world is reading it, and somehow it's a big enough incident to make the news cycle.
not tech, an e-commerce brand.
no revenue yet, just started over a month ago.
Spent most of the time learning about setting up an LLC, branding, and building the supply chain. No time for sleep anymore.
You started off pretty well on this...and I agree 100% that if you hire the right millenials they bring a tremendous amount to the table. I've been really pleased with my group of millenials...
But, then you went on to say that people shouldn't have to work theeir ass off to get ahead. And unfortunately you went haywire...
drop me a note if you want to bat it around....NorthernKnight8082@gmail.com
While I would take issue with, and could have a spirited discussion of some of his points, there is one implication I totally agree with: WE let it happen. We may not have allowed/taught our kids to be whinny, entitled, lazy louts...but we let the conditions that lead to that outcome flourish. And still do. Just at Rutgers: what do we do about an ass't prof (who's teaching the students) who claims America is worse than ISIS? Students that break into a speech and trash the place because they don't agree with what's being said? Bully a former Sec'y of State and Dean at Stanford (not to mention being black and a woman) into bowing out on a commencement speech? Insist on ideas they don't like can only be uttered in a "Free Speech Zone"?
Yet we'll give $$ to the University so we can have a good FB team.
On a national scale we allow judges to cut loose a 18 year old who killed 4 people on his 4th drunk driving charge because his parents didn't do a good job of teaching him right from wrong. Where did THAT interpretation of the law come from? Must've been in the Bill of Rights. Sarah Lawrence banned a speech about the holocaust because the speaker was Jewish and it might offend palestinian students. You know I could go on ad infinitum.
And what do we do about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. How many sent sent letters, e-mails to Barchi saying you won't be contributing to Rutgers until this behavior is addressed? Or even just venting your displeasure. Just bitch and moan to ourselves about until what little we have is confiscated and given to the whiners. And that will happen. We're definitely on that track.
A final tidbit: A reporter circulated a petition at Yale, calling for the repeal of the first amendment. 50 students signed it.
Yet we'll give $$ to the University so we can have a good FB team.
On a national scale we allow judges to cut loose a 18 year old who killed 4 people on his 4th drunk driving charge because his parents didn't do a good job of teaching him right from wrong. Where did THAT interpretation of the law come from? Must've been in the Bill of Rights. Sarah Lawrence banned a speech about the holocaust because the speaker was Jewish and it might offend palestinian students. You know I could go on ad infinitum.
And what do we do about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. How many sent sent letters, e-mails to Barchi saying you won't be contributing to Rutgers until this behavior is addressed? Or even just venting your displeasure. Just bitch and moan to ourselves about until what little we have is confiscated and given to the whiners. And that will happen. We're definitely on that track.
A final tidbit: A reporter circulated a petition at Yale, calling for the repeal of the first amendment. 50 students signed it.
Actually, new business startups have declined over the last decade. And it's not the fault of Millennials. It's also not the fault of Dodd-Frank or Sarbannes-Oxley. It's the constant imposition of regulation and requirements on small businesses who aren't big enough for either of those bills, as much from the states as the US government that plays a large part in the decline. And Obama keeps trying to bring back the expanded 1099 filing requirements, a major burden for small businesses, and the ONLY part of ObamaCare that was repealed by a bipartisan act of Congress.
That's not what I said at all. Successful people work their asses off in general. But you don't have to do it at a minimum-wage job you hate. Busting your ass in a low-level job with crappy pay so you can *eventually, maybe* be in line for that big promotion is outmoded advice. The days of "company man" glory are long over. Newer workers should be questioning the system and finding new paths to success instead of following advice from the 70s. The OP girl should have internalized her thoughts and then realigned her goals and means instead of venting publicly, but she shouldn't have necessarily just shut up and gone back to work the way so many here suggest.
Someone above complained about entitlement and laziness as related to wanting to become an executive instead of working up from the mailroom, but I see the opposite: ambition and a willingness to jump in, learn quickly and work hard from the very start. Of course it's not realistic for everyone, but why just settle for a $12/hr job with hopes of getting there 5 or 10 years from now when they see a chance to get there today?
The super-successful role model is no longer the immigrant that worked 16-hour days as a janitor before taking the elevator to the corner office; it's the young, independent renegade that eschewed conventions like a college degree and entry level jobs to grow an idea. They still worked very hard, but they didn't expend that energy on a crappy job making someone else money. So growing up in a world of Zuckerbergs and Musks, in which big corporations are only loyal to their stockholders and regulalrly fail quite loudly, why wouldn't young folks rethink their path to success? They'd be insane not to pursue different paths than their parents and grandparents.
Maybe because this girl is no Zuckerberg...hell, she wasn't even inventive enough to find a roommate first. Maybe she could have looked for one on Facebook? While it's great to think you might be the next tech boom kid it's also kind of unrealistic. As for hard work, people who work hard always do it. whether it's a minimum wage job, helping a friend move, or looking for work. It's not something one usually turns on and off. You either have it or you don't...this chick doesn't . If she did she would have eaten her two free bread sandwiches at yelp and then headed over the her shift at the Outback.
It gets worse...Since everything is online these days, people have been able to find out what this dope was doing to get into the situation she is now whining about:
Eagle-eyed Internet users archived Instagram and Twitter images of Talia Jane indulging in a spa day with a fashionable facial mask made of Lush-brand coffee grounds; showing off her well-stocked kitchen, where she baked sumptuous cupcakes, “prosciutto-brie-cilantro-garlic biscuits,” “brie-stuffed meatballs topped with brie and rosemary sprigs,” “roast chuck marinated in herbs,” “a s— ton of Swedish potatoes au gratin,” and “mini pumpkin pies.”
In one of her richer moments (pun intended), Jane brags about having Bulleit Kentucky Bourbon delivered to her office through a smartphone app. “I’ve been meaning to buy whiskey,” she burbles, but I always forget until after I’m home and my pants are off” (presumably when she’s under all her blankets shivering from cold and deprivation). “Alcohol delivery services aren’t available where I live because I’m in the suburbs,” so “I had alcohol delivery to my job. Oddly enough, no one asked about it."
Starving on a “living wage” with booze delivered straight to her desk. The struggle is so real.
That's why you are successful, and others who won't be mentioned in this thread aren't.
She doesn't have to be the next tech mogul, but she also doesn't have to be the typical underpaid corporate cog. And if what someone said about her getting a gig is true; she now doesn't have to be. Like it or not, she just trolled the entire Internet and won.
The work thing is a load of nonsense. Hard work is not universally a have or have not quality. For some people maybe, but others need to be challenged, motivated and compensated to work hard. Which is why one size fits all advice based on one person's own story isn't all that helpful.
And that's why some folks, very generally speaking, are pompous, opinionated ##@$s who can't even properly formulate full thoughts, let alone give actionable advice. Hopefully some of them have been lucky enough to marry up in order to cover up their inherent and numerous shortcomings.
You missed the point entirely. The person you describe above isn't working at Yelp for minimum wage in SF and complaining about it. That person is working for Google and living out of his van because he wants to pay off debt and save.
http://www.businessinsider.com/stefanie-williams-response-to-yelp-employee-talia-jane-2016-2
I didn't miss any point. We're talking about different things. I don't really care about this particular girl one way or the other; I was focused on the unproductive generational stereotypes that run rampant here.
When my daughter graduated college as a teacher about 11 years ago she seemed to have a sense of entitlement
And thought she could pick and choose her first job
I think part of this was instilled by the college, who probably pumps up the students expectations all along the way
The first year out was tough for her finding a job in a public school, and it took two years to find the type of job that she expected out of the gate..... I think this is a common situation which humbled her a bit, and I found nothing wrong with that.
And thought she could pick and choose her first job
I think part of this was instilled by the college, who probably pumps up the students expectations all along the way
The first year out was tough for her finding a job in a public school, and it took two years to find the type of job that she expected out of the gate..... I think this is a common situation which humbled her a bit, and I found nothing wrong with that.
Last edited:
You are by far the most annoying poster on this board . Please go away as you add nothing to the conversation .
The Rutgers I went to looks nothing like what it is now. We didn't have the amenities that are on the campus now. It was far more bare bones. I would be interested in understanding what the state paid for actual instruction back in 86 versus now. It wouldn't surprise me if the relative percentage actually going for instruction is comparable in the past as now.
What students are going into debt for now is all of the extras that go along with modern universities. Holy shit, what is on campus now is like a friggin country club. I don't know whose fault this is but what you pay for in an education now was not what I paid for 30 years ago. Guaranteed that today's Rutgers put 30 years ago would have been a hell of a lot more expensive than what I paid. Would I have gotten a better education with today's perks years ago? I kinda doubt it.
Last edited:
Here's a Renaissance history trivia question. What do you think parents were saying about their kids' generation during the reign of King James I?
You olds need to get a grip.
You olds need to get a grip.
And those parents and my parents were right too. Just like you'll be right when you complain about successive generations. And yes... you will complain about them.
And according to Carl sagan one of the oldest essays ever found, from ancient sumer, complains that kids today aren't as well educated as their elders. But the reverse is also true, as has been stated. The complaints young people have today are NOT NEW. They think they have it harder than anyone else ever did. They don't.
1. Not sure what the degree completion rate has to do with anything. People graduating in 3 years will just have one extra year at a salary that will not help pay down their debt.
2. California
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/12/28/science/california-weighs-end-of-free-college-education.html
And the cost is absurd, even at public school.
3. No, I grew up in the 90s at a HS currently in the top 20 or so, maybe even higher now. And many of my friends had mothers that did not work, or who worked menial jobs. And in fact, it was the same when I lived in NY and went to good schools before my family moved. Yes there were latchkey. But today, I have lots of friends having kids, and not even one could ever consider having a parent at home, and this includes lawyers, people in finance, and other good jobs.
4.Yup then you could have been a teacher and had an awesome middle class life. Good luck with that now.
Yes, the one with kids who actively participate in their lives do. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't give a hoot.
There is no alternative. If you don't go, every study shows you will make less money.
Maybe there are places you can raise families on a welder's salary. They are few and far in between, and not sure what kind of growth there is for welders.
And the complaint isn't that everyone has a degree, because the reality is, everyone accepts it these days, the issue is now really you need a graduate degree for many jobs and both of those are very expensive.
Most millenials are pretty unconcerned with the competition, so to speak, but just the drowning in debt in a way that no other generation had to, and that literally not one politician until Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren came along had boo to say about it. The government makes money off this with absurd interest. My student loans are government backed, and my mortgage is private, and yet, my student loans have the higher interest rate...it is an outrage that the feds profit off of this.
Not that parents should pay, but those prices must be for a hovel assuming you're still in Hoboken lol. I have a friend whose rent is going up to $2700 for a 1BR. Now that I own it's a good thing for me, but I hope the kids being pushed into far out JC and Newark and BK are safe. I had a friend when we first graduated was paying $700 or so for a share in DTJC. There was Lucky 7s and LITM. Now every other spot is a $15 cocktail.
You're so reliably dumb, Cali. In every. Single. Thread.
You are THE stereotypical dumbass who lacks the self awareness to avoid the "kids today" high dudgeon.
It's actually comforting, in a way.
Wrong. And I still don't drive a Prius. What's your favorite feature on that go cart? Mine is the wimpy horn I hear when I cut them off all the time. It makes me laugh.
by the way, anyone annoyed by the media's overuse of the term "millennial", I've got the perfect solution
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/...eop/jhkibealmjkbkafogihpeidfcgnigmlf?hl=en-US
It's a chrome extension that automatically turns the term "millennial" into "snake person" or "millenials" into "snake people". Kind of funny reading this thread with the extension.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/...eop/jhkibealmjkbkafogihpeidfcgnigmlf?hl=en-US
It's a chrome extension that automatically turns the term "millennial" into "snake person" or "millenials" into "snake people". Kind of funny reading this thread with the extension.
