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Generally speaking, I agree with the point you make about class diversity > than racial diversity.

That said, McGill is not better than ANY us public. That's crazy talk, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

I played around with international rankings and I keep seeing them say UC SD is the best US public school lol, but, I think most would agree that McGill is at least on the level of the best US publics like Berkeley or Michigan, definitely has a similar level of recognition.
 
There's to much emphasis on getting into the Ivies League schools, these individuals will success no matter what schools they attend. Their own drive and ambition is way more important.
It is the network that you are then part of that to a large part drives your post education success. Sure you can get just as good or better education outside of the Ivy system, but the network just isn't the same.
 
The reason why affirmative action programs where look favorably upon in the first place is not that we think people have a right to not be poor. It is because statistically black people were poor for theoretical no reason other than the fact they were black, or due to the special disadvantages associated with their race. It was those racial disadvantages that were sought to be addressed, not being poor in general.

That said, I agree with the earlier point that affirmative action programs probably help Rich minorities who don't need it in the first place far too often. There should be some way to disqualify minorities who are from certain types of economic backgrounds from benefiting from this. Clearly, they belong on an equal playing field with the rest of the applicants.
 
Glad you finally agree that the Canadian method of properly funding higher ed makes a difference. McGill is academically superior to any US public school and is a fraction of the cost, and Canadians have some of the highest, if not the highest, achievement in higher education because going to college in Canada is not being saddled with debt for the rest of your life.
Yea and it's great for the small percentage of kids who can get in. It's not very progressive of you to leave behind the other 90%. In Canada if you don't get in to one of their stellar but limited options you either get a job or go to school here. We could have their model but then we'd be closing a boatload of schools.
 
Not saying that this is wrong, per se, but this introduces a host of other problems. Instead of creating racial diversity, we create class diversity. In the end, a place like RU suffers--because rather than the upper middleclass or lower upperclass kid going to RU (he or she is denied admissions), their parents buy their way into BU or Holy Cross or insert over-priced landing spot for rich kids here.

I think it then becomes an issue of picking your poison.

Part of RU's strategic thinking has to be a demographic analysis of people who are likely to be involved and connected to the university for life. Those kids need to be statistically identified, recruited and converted to enrollees.
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Yes, I think that all parts of college admission and participation should be based on equality and not on competition and merit. I for one would like to complain about the institutional racism on the Rutgers men's basketball team. Caucasian make up 73% of the state's population but received less than 2% of playing time in games in the last decade. The team has not appropriately recruited Caucasian players. If you say that generally African American players are better, I will call you a racist just like I will call you a racist if you say generally Caucasians do better academically in school. See how that works?
 
Only one school in the Ivy League is devoid of money derived from the crime of Slavery. I find it ironic, that the very people who's efforts where used to create these institutions are being left out of them.
 
There is so much misinformation in some of these posts that I don't know where to begin. I will just confront one - quotas. Since the early 1970's racial quotas in college admissions have been illegal. If a student has been denied admissions due to quotas he/she would have a massive and successful law suit. I have discussed college admissions before but I guess I should give up as this is a typical message board and facts have very little to do with what is stated.
 
There is so much misinformation in some of these posts that I don't know where to begin. I will just confront one - quotas. Since the early 1970's racial quotas in college admissions have been illegal. If a student has been denied admissions due to quotas he/she would have a massive and successful law suit. I have discussed college admissions before but I guess I should give up as this is a typical message board and facts have very little to do with what is stated.

Agreed. Well Said!!!
 
I played around with international rankings and I keep seeing them say UC SD is the best US public school lol, but, I think most would agree that McGill is at least on the level of the best US publics like Berkeley or Michigan, definitely has a similar level of recognition.
University of Toronto is supposedly the superior Canadian school. I would say they are both similar in prestige to schools like University of Wisconsin or University of North Carolina.
 
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He is going to fix everything for everyone, and it will all be free.
 
For once I somewhat agree with a political point you make. But I don't think RU is doing this, thankfully, considering upwards of a quarter of RU students are Asian and the percentage of NJ resident who are Asian is way less.

But, as you see in this thread, a lot of white people take umbrage with that, and you will see it when they say RU students don't care about football because of their race or ethnic background which in my experience is a fallacy when you look at the lots on game day or the student section.

I would say don't ask about race. If they want real diversity, ask about kids from families who are poor, first in their family to go to college, etc. because right now affirmative action mostly just helps rich minorities.
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I'm good with economic diversity. Actually, we recently selected a school for my daughter and chose it over another due to that very issue.
 
Not saying that this is wrong, per se, but this introduces a host of other problems. Instead of creating racial diversity, we create class diversity. In the end, a place like RU suffers--because rather than the upper middleclass or lower upperclass kid going to RU (he or she is denied admissions), their parents buy their way into BU or Holy Cross or insert over-priced landing spot for rich kids here.

I think it then becomes an issue of picking your poison.

Part of RU's strategic thinking has to be a demographic analysis of people who are likely to be involved and connected to the university for life. Those kids need to be statistically identified, recruited and converted to enrollees.
This last paragraph is intriguing. Are any other schools doing this now?
 
You have to remember that the "holistic" admissions process is not the same as AA.

For starters, the typical FOB Asian raised by tiger parents just doesn't impress admissions anymore.
 
There is so much misinformation in some of these posts that I don't know where to begin. I will just confront one - quotas. Since the early 1970's racial quotas in college admissions have been illegal. If a student has been denied admissions due to quotas he/she would have a massive and successful law suit. I have discussed college admissions before but I guess I should give up as this is a typical message board and facts have very little to do with what is stated.
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He is going to fix everything for everyone, and it will all be free.

No way to be a socialist in the gym. The people who work hard are strong. The people who don't work hard are weak. It's bernie's worst nightmare.
 
OK help me get this straight. If Koreans are only 1 - 5 % of a student population or 1- 5% of
a work force, that's a major concern if it's Chinese, Jewish ( any nationality), Philipino, Black,
Spanish ( who are actually are the same skin color as many Europeans) Arab, or Indian that is
of equal concern. But Irish, Italians, French Germans, Hungarians, Chec, Bosnian , English.
Estonians, and so on, they are they are lumped together, and should be limited in this countries,
works force or schools, and that not racists? Are they not being judge by their color, as if it is bad thing?
As the decades go on there are less and less Italians, German, Irish, English and so on, Because
they are now mixed. They are mixed because they became Americans and married other American
and are now mixed. We are not talking about an individual race, but are unfairly being judge by
skin color. So now people from all over don't really want to be part of that American heritage
but want their own language, customs, TV shows etc. and turn around and demand the people
of caucasian decent to step aside. Why aren't these people going to Germany, France, Italy,
Great Britain and demanding they stop being Germans, French, Irish, and so on.
These friggin white people of the greatest country in the world, are the ones that have opened
their doors to the entire world. and now they are being discriminated upon.
My grandfather sent 5 sons overseas to fight the axis powers during WWll. He sent 5 sons, in other
words, to fight against his own homeland, because he loved America his country. You know how
many or my generation lost their fathers, uncles, cousins for this country. And now this newest
generation come here and hate the people that were born here? FTS
 
It's interesting how private businesses should be allowed to turn gays away if they so choose but private universities like harvard should NOT be allowed to choose whoever they want to accept. Interesting.
 
And Asians are getting the shift:

http://www.city-journal.org/2016/26_1_college-admissions-discrimination.html

In No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life, published in 2009, Princeton professor Thomas Espenshade and coauthor Alexandra Radford demonstrate that, controlling for other variables, Asian students applying to highly selective private colleges face odds against their admission three times as high as whites, six times as high as Hispanics, and sixteen times as high as blacks. To put it another way: Asians need SAT scores 140 points higher than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and an incredible 450 points higher than blacks (out of 1,600 points) to get into these schools. An Asian applicant with an SAT score of 1,500, that is, has the same chance of being accepted as a white student with a 1,360, a Latino with a 1,230, or an African-American with a 1,050. Among candidates in the highest (1,400–1,600) SAT range, 77 percent of blacks, 48 percent of Hispanics, 40 percent of whites, and only 30 percent of Asians are admitted.

Whites aren't always going to be in the majority so the same protections that minorities get now I would expect whites to get in the future. Also as a minority you may not have to score as high if you are applying for certain majors and that has gone on for year. Just because now that Asians are no longer the minority but the majority why should the rules change. If a white women wants to apply to an engineering school and she helps meet a quota well what goes around comes around.
 
No idea. But on paper at least, it wouldn't be an impossible undertaking. Might cost a ad decent buck to assemble the right coding geeks. lol.
Just go down into the computer dungeon! As in, the basement of the Hill center. Back in the 90's that was where all the "cool" kids hung out. :)
 
Admit it -- America is lost. Just watch Hillary pandering to Nevada's minorities. Whites have no rights any more and if you complain you are a racist. Progressives will lead us into the abyss of third world status or national bankruptcy
 
A couple of thoughts (this is one of the things I study):

1. McGill is a very good university. Some would say the second best in Canada (to U Toronto), but that depends on how you define "good." Is it acceptance rate, college entrance exam scores, Nobel Laureates, research funding, and so on. My main job at my university right now is helping to get the highest possible score on the every-six-year national research ratings. The stuff that places are doing to game the system is pretty amazing (we are not, btw). You see those QS ratings? I'm one of the raters for that. I'm not allowed to rate my university, but I certainly know who our competition is. Same thing when I used to do US News and World Report ratings when I was at Rutgers. There are folks who call up friends at other universities and agree to a "you wash my hand" sort of deal. So two big problems with ratings: one, it is arbitrary and depends upon what you pick to look at and how much to count it; two is that the universities work to make themselves look as good as possible (Why do you think universities use the highest score you have in each of the three areas if you take the test more than once? Hint: It ain't because they are being nice to you.)

2. RU has traditionally used class rank more than SAT scores because it results in a more diverse university. Since everybody has a valedictorian, and since NJ schools are highly segregated, this works to the University's advantage in getting diverse classes. Anybody who thinks that the SC rulings have gotten rid of universities taking race and ethnicity into account --- well, there is this bridge in Brooklyn. The Cal universities have come the closest to doing this (hence huge numbers of Asian kids).

3. The kid who got turned down with the perfect scores isn't telling the full story. I have no idea what that story is, but if the rest of his record looked like his academic record, he would have been accepted to at least a couple of Ivies. My guess? One of his teachers who he used for a recommendation said something along the lines of "His focus on academics is admirable, but ...." and then a subtle knife went in his back. Doesn't take much, and Ivy admissions folks are great at picking up small signals. If all of the elites turned him down, there's a spot on his blotter somewhere.

4. Universities try to meet several goals in admissions. One is that they want the best classes possible in terms of likelihood of academic success. Two is that they want a diverse student body -- in terms of ethnic background, economic background, field of study, getting some good athletes (in non-revenue generating sports, etc.). The Ivies look at each application individually. RU pretty much mass processes them with a formula using class rank and test scores, with class rank more important (unless they have changed recently).

5. The winner on the thread in my view is Hudson, with the idea of "Why don't we take kids who are really likely to develop strong ties with the University?" I know of no school that actively takes that into account, although some will say, "We want (insert school name) people to come here," whatever that means. The question then becomes, "How do we find such people in the admissions process?" Is loyalty something you can select for, or is it developed while at the university? Super interesting idea leading to some interesting questions. This would be studiable!

EDIT addition: On studying for the SATs. The benefit of studying in a fashion that the overwhelming majority of kids might do will in fact, get you somewhere around 50-100 points per section (of the three sections). BUT, that might make the difference in an application. I work with kids on test-taking skills, and some kids are stunningly bad at this. Thus, I can usually help those kids a lot. The tests are timed, so you have to not only be able to work, you have to work at pace and strategically. Can you go up from 1760 to 2400? It's possible, but my guess is that the 1760 was an aberration, and we don't know how many tries it took to get the 2400. So why do you see test prep companies claiming massive gains? Because of the regression to the mean effect. My boy did super well the first time he took the SATs. I asked him if he wanted to take them a second time. His response: "I'm booking these and going to the Mets game the next time the test is given." My daughter's first scores were disappointing to her. So we worked together, and the second time she did much better. In part, that was because she had a bad day the first time she took them and a good day the second. The kids who go to test prep school are much more likely to have had a negative error (technical term for a bad day) made on their test the first time they took it. Kids who are super pleased with their scores don't go to test prep school (typically). Thus, when the test prep schools say their average gain is 4X and when ETS says in their studies, the average gain is only X, they are both telling the truth. ETS uses experimental designs that control for the regression effect; prep schools use whoever walks in the door.
 
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How about instead (or also) we get a kid here and while they are here, we show him/her such a good time they feel the connection before they even graduate?

de-RUScrew as much as possible for starters.
 
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A couple of thoughts (this is one of the things I study):

1. McGill is a very good university. Some would say the second best in Canada (to U Toronto), but that depends on how you define "good." Is it acceptance rate, college entrance exam scores, Nobel Laureates, research funding, and so on. My main job at my university right now is helping to get the highest possible score on the every-six-year national research ratings. The stuff that places are doing to game the system is pretty amazing (we are not, btw). You see those QS ratings? I'm one of the raters for that. I'm not allowed to rate my university, but I certainly know who our competition is. Same thing when I used to do US News and World Report ratings when I was at Rutgers. There are folks who call up friends at other universities and agree to a "you wash my hand" sort of deal. So two big problems with ratings: one, it is arbitrary and depends upon what you pick to look at and how much to count it; two is that the universities work to make themselves look as good as possible (Why do you think universities use the highest score you have in each of the three areas if you take the test more than once? Hint: It ain't because they are being nice to you.)

2. RU has traditionally used class rank more than SAT scores because it results in a more diverse university. Since everybody has a valedictorian, and since NJ schools are highly segregated, this works to the University's advantage in getting diverse classes. Anybody who thinks that the SC rulings have gotten rid of universities taking race and ethnicity into account --- well, there is this bridge in Brooklyn. The Cal universities have come the closest to doing this (hence huge numbers of Asian kids).

3. The kid who got turned down with the perfect scores isn't telling the full story. I have no idea what that story is, but if the rest of his record looked like his academic record, he would have been accepted to at least a couple of Ivies. My guess? One of his teachers who he used for a recommendation said something along the lines of "His focus on academics is admirable, but ...." and then a subtle knife went in his back. Doesn't take much, and Ivy admissions folks are great at picking up small signals. If all of the elites turned him down, there's a spot on his blotter somewhere.

4. Universities try to meet several goals in admissions. One is that they want the best classes possible in terms of likelihood of academic success. Two is that they want a diverse student body -- in terms of ethnic background, economic background, field of study, getting some good athletes (in non-revenue generating sports, etc.). The Ivies look at each application individually. RU pretty much mass processes them with a formula using class rank and test scores, with class rank more important (unless they have changed recently).

5. The winner on the thread in my view is Hudson, with the idea of "Why don't we take kids who are really likely to develop strong ties with the University?" I know of no school that actively takes that into account, although some will say, "We want (insert school name) people to come here," whatever that means. The question then becomes, "How do we find such people in the admissions process?" Is loyalty something you can select for, or is it developed while at the university? Super interesting idea leading to some interesting questions. This would be studiable!

EDIT addition: On studying for the SATs. The benefit of studying in a fashion that the overwhelming majority of kids might do will in fact, get you somewhere around 50-100 points per section (of the three sections). BUT, that might make the difference in an application. I work with kids on test-taking skills, and some kids are stunningly bad at this. Thus, I can usually help those kids a lot. The tests are timed, so you have to not only be able to work, you have to work at pace and strategically. Can you go up from 1760 to 2400? It's possible, but my guess is that the 1760 was an aberration, and we don't know how many tries it took to get the 2400. So why do you see test prep companies claiming massive gains? Because of the regression to the mean effect. My boy did super well the first time he took the SATs. I asked him if he wanted to take them a second time. His response: "I'm booking these and going to the Mets game the next time the test is given." My daughter's first scores were disappointing to her. So we worked together, and the second time she did much better. In part, that was because she had a bad day the first time she took them and a good day the second. The kids who go to test prep school are much more likely to have had a negative error (technical term for a bad day) made on their test the first time they took it. Kids who are super pleased with their scores don't go to test prep school (typically). Thus, when the test prep schools say their average gain is 4X and when ETS says in their studies, the average gain is only X, they are both telling the truth. ETS uses experimental designs that control for the regression effect; prep schools use whoever walks in the door.
Isn't #5 one of the central tenets of legacies at blue blood schools? And therefore something looked on distastefully in this thread?

Do you suppose there's personality traits that would correlate loyalty and commitment more closely than family legacy?
 
A couple of thoughts (this is one of the things I study):

1. McGill is a very good university. Some would say the second best in Canada (to U Toronto), but that depends on how you define "good." Is it acceptance rate, college entrance exam scores, Nobel Laureates, research funding, and so on. My main job at my university right now is helping to get the highest possible score on the every-six-year national research ratings. The stuff that places are doing to game the system is pretty amazing (we are not, btw). You see those QS ratings? I'm one of the raters for that. I'm not allowed to rate my university, but I certainly know who our competition is. Same thing when I used to do US News and World Report ratings when I was at Rutgers. There are folks who call up friends at other universities and agree to a "you wash my hand" sort of deal. So two big problems with ratings: one, it is arbitrary and depends upon what you pick to look at and how much to count it; two is that the universities work to make themselves look as good as possible (Why do you think universities use the highest score you have in each of the three areas if you take the test more than once? Hint: It ain't because they are being nice to you.)

2. RU has traditionally used class rank more than SAT scores because it results in a more diverse university. Since everybody has a valedictorian, and since NJ schools are highly segregated, this works to the University's advantage in getting diverse classes. Anybody who thinks that the SC rulings have gotten rid of universities taking race and ethnicity into account --- well, there is this bridge in Brooklyn. The Cal universities have come the closest to doing this (hence huge numbers of Asian kids).

3. The kid who got turned down with the perfect scores isn't telling the full story. I have no idea what that story is, but if the rest of his record looked like his academic record, he would have been accepted to at least a couple of Ivies. My guess? One of his teachers who he used for a recommendation said something along the lines of "His focus on academics is admirable, but ...." and then a subtle knife went in his back. Doesn't take much, and Ivy admissions folks are great at picking up small signals. If all of the elites turned him down, there's a spot on his blotter somewhere.

4. Universities try to meet several goals in admissions. One is that they want the best classes possible in terms of likelihood of academic success. Two is that they want a diverse student body -- in terms of ethnic background, economic background, field of study, getting some good athletes (in non-revenue generating sports, etc.). The Ivies look at each application individually. RU pretty much mass processes them with a formula using class rank and test scores, with class rank more important (unless they have changed recently).

5. The winner on the thread in my view is Hudson, with the idea of "Why don't we take kids who are really likely to develop strong ties with the University?" I know of no school that actively takes that into account, although some will say, "We want (insert school name) people to come here," whatever that means. The question then becomes, "How do we find such people in the admissions process?" Is loyalty something you can select for, or is it developed while at the university? Super interesting idea leading to some interesting questions. This would be studiable!


Assuming a Poisson distribution for #5, this would be something of great value for a private institution. Not sure you could apply this to a public institution, but I would. Btw, Homogeny is a precursor to extinction. So all institutions have a vested interest in diversity.
 
A couple of thoughts (this is one of the things I study):

1. McGill is a very good university. Some would say the second best in Canada (to U Toronto), but that depends on how you define "good." Is it acceptance rate, college entrance exam scores, Nobel Laureates, research funding, and so on. My main job at my university right now is helping to get the highest possible score on the every-six-year national research ratings. The stuff that places are doing to game the system is pretty amazing (we are not, btw). You see those QS ratings? I'm one of the raters for that. I'm not allowed to rate my university, but I certainly know who our competition is. Same thing when I used to do US News and World Report ratings when I was at Rutgers. There are folks who call up friends at other universities and agree to a "you wash my hand" sort of deal. So two big problems with ratings: one, it is arbitrary and depends upon what you pick to look at and how much to count it; two is that the universities work to make themselves look as good as possible (Why do you think universities use the highest score you have in each of the three areas if you take the test more than once? Hint: It ain't because they are being nice to you.)

2. RU has traditionally used class rank more than SAT scores because it results in a more diverse university. Since everybody has a valedictorian, and since NJ schools are highly segregated, this works to the University's advantage in getting diverse classes. Anybody who thinks that the SC rulings have gotten rid of universities taking race and ethnicity into account --- well, there is this bridge in Brooklyn. The Cal universities have come the closest to doing this (hence huge numbers of Asian kids).

3. The kid who got turned down with the perfect scores isn't telling the full story. I have no idea what that story is, but if the rest of his record looked like his academic record, he would have been accepted to at least a couple of Ivies. My guess? One of his teachers who he used for a recommendation said something along the lines of "His focus on academics is admirable, but ...." and then a subtle knife went in his back. Doesn't take much, and Ivy admissions folks are great at picking up small signals. If all of the elites turned him down, there's a spot on his blotter somewhere.

4. Universities try to meet several goals in admissions. One is that they want the best classes possible in terms of likelihood of academic success. Two is that they want a diverse student body -- in terms of ethnic background, economic background, field of study, getting some good athletes (in non-revenue generating sports, etc.). The Ivies look at each application individually. RU pretty much mass processes them with a formula using class rank and test scores, with class rank more important (unless they have changed recently).

5. The winner on the thread in my view is Hudson, with the idea of "Why don't we take kids who are really likely to develop strong ties with the University?" I know of no school that actively takes that into account, although some will say, "We want (insert school name) people to come here," whatever that means. The question then becomes, "How do we find such people in the admissions process?" Is loyalty something you can select for, or is it developed while at the university? Super interesting idea leading to some interesting questions. This would be studiable!

EDIT addition: On studying for the SATs. The benefit of studying in a fashion that the overwhelming majority of kids might do will in fact, get you somewhere around 50-100 points per section (of the three sections). BUT, that might make the difference in an application. I work with kids on test-taking skills, and some kids are stunningly bad at this. Thus, I can usually help those kids a lot. The tests are timed, so you have to not only be able to work, you have to work at pace and strategically. Can you go up from 1760 to 2400? It's possible, but my guess is that the 1760 was an aberration, and we don't know how many tries it took to get the 2400. So why do you see test prep companies claiming massive gains? Because of the regression to the mean effect. My boy did super well the first time he took the SATs. I asked him if he wanted to take them a second time. His response: "I'm booking these and going to the Mets game the next time the test is given." My daughter's first scores were disappointing to her. So we worked together, and the second time she did much better. In part, that was because she had a bad day the first time she took them and a good day the second. The kids who go to test prep school are much more likely to have had a negative error (technical term for a bad day) made on their test the first time they took it. Kids who are super pleased with their scores don't go to test prep school (typically). Thus, when the test prep schools say their average gain is 4X and when ETS says in their studies, the average gain is only X, they are both telling the truth. ETS uses experimental designs that control for the regression effect; prep schools use whoever walks in the door.

I would think you could develop a personality test that would prove illustrative...long term thing, obviously, but doable...
 
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Assuming a Poisson distribution for #5, this would be something of great value for a private institution. Not sure you could apply this to a public institution, but I would. Btw, Homogeny is a precursor to extinction. So all institutions have a vested interest in diversity.
I would HOPE it wouldn't be a poisson distribution (we can't be that unlovable). My first thought is that in order to do it, you'd have to keep quiet that you were doing it, and then just look for how excited a kid seems to be about RU in his/her application (that would require going through them individually, which RU doesn't do much of right now). Another approach would be to see how many schools the kid applied to. 20 applications? No thanks. Don't know if we currently collect those data.
 
Isn't #5 one of the central tenets of legacies at blue blood schools? And therefore something looked on distastefully in this thread?

Do you suppose there's personality traits that would correlate loyalty and commitment more closely than family legacy?
Well, partly yes, but also partly to keep those donations coming in from Dad.
 
How about instead (or also) we get a kid here and while they are here, we show him/her such a good time they feel the connection before they even graduate?

de-RUScrew as much as possible for starters.

meh...I have about 65 classmates that had an awesome 2 years. They couldn't possibly care any less about RU, less than a year later
 
I would think you could develop a personality test that would prove illustrative...long term thing, obviously, but doable...
I find the notion of a personality test to find the kid who would most like RU to have strong comedic appeal (in addition to scholarly appeal).

"You can take one of the following items with you while you are spending six months alone on a deserted island. Which do you choose?"

A. Milton's Paradise Lost
B. A case of Taylor ham
C. Premium subscription to Rutgers Rivals Board
D. Snooki
 
This is another one of those issues that leads to excessive--and mostly unnecessary--panting and anxiety. There are lots and lots of good schools out there. If you don't get into your dream school it's probably not going to ruin your life, to put it mildly. So much emphasis has been put on WHERE you go to school as opposed to WHAT you study while there that it's confusing people. I may be wrong but I'm guessing the person with a chemistry degree from State U does a lot better financially than the person with the medieval literature degree from harvard.
 
I would HOPE it wouldn't be a poisson distribution (we can't be that unlovable). My first thought is that in order to do it, you'd have to keep quiet that you were doing it, and then just look for how excited a kid seems to be about RU in his/her application (that would require going through them individually, which RU doesn't do much of right now). Another approach would be to see how many schools the kid applied to. 20 applications? No thanks. Don't know if we currently collect those data.

I would assume that the number of times a person donated to their Alma Mater would fall in line with a poisson distribution. I humbly admit that I could be entirely wrong. Nonetheless, I really like this concept. Admitting people with a greater chance of contributing to their Alma Mater is something that Rutgers needs to focus on.
 
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