OT - Racism alive and well at universities

[imbazza2]

seriously. In my own mind the base root of racism is the deep rooted belief of a concept and inability to think beyond it. With the dug in stance of so many here you wonder how that could be, right? This country and the people in it and running it are far from perfect. But we have come a long way. But it is never going to be perfect. We're humans and that's life.

not asking for a group hug here. Just folks to listen and open their minds a bit more to each other.

ok. kumbya moment over. carry on..

After 6 pages of "Racist" remarks with all expressing their own "racist" beliefs by all you Racists
I will Admit I am a Racist but I am only racist against one race on this planet and that is the "human race". We are by far the most Prejudice animal to walk this planet. If it is not from our community, social circle or family we have a built in resentment, distrust, dislike and hate for anything outside your mental view of what you find acceptable.
I fight ever day to try to accept the human condition called Prejudice.
We all have it and it is hard wired for our self survival.
PS please do not retort, as it is just your brain trying to put yourself above this common denominator i.e. your self is not racist but everyone else is! yea right

 

[NotInRHouse]

Everyone is a little bit racist, prejudiced, etc.

The question is, do you support policies that perpetuate and reinforce those prejudices? Do you act with racism and prejudice in your workplace, or the associates of your family and friends?

I'm a straight white guy, born in the USA. There is nothing wrong with that. But I also realize that that gives me certain privileges. And I'm also cogniscent of the fact that even still, I have less privilege than plenty of other white people, and even some non-white people.

In this thread, some people refuse to realize that, or said "white people are losing rights." You have to wonder about those people.

 

[zappaa]

Everyone is a little bit racist, prejudiced, etc.

The question is, do you support policies that perpetuate and reinforce those prejudices? Do you act with racism and prejudice in your workplace, or the associates of your family and friends?

I'm a straight white guy, born in the USA. There is nothing wrong with that. But I also realize that that gives me certain privileges. And I'm also cogniscent of the fact that even still, I have less privilege than plenty of other white people, and even some non-white people.

In this thread, some people refuse to realize that, or said "white people are losing rights." You have to wonder about those people.

Pretty good NIRH
We can control ourselves, so let us be good people today

 

[Kbee3]

Everyone is a little bit racist, prejudiced, etc.

The question is, do you support policies that perpetuate and reinforce those prejudices? Do you act with racism and prejudice in your workplace, or the associates of your family and friends?

I'm a straight white guy, born in the USA. There is nothing wrong with that. But I also realize that that gives me certain privileges. And I'm also cogniscent of the fact that even still, I have less privilege than plenty of other white people, and even some non-white people.

In this thread, some people refuse to realize that, or said "white people are losing rights." You have to wonder about those people.

I agree with all of that.
I just wonder sometimes how people expect the whole "white privilege" thing to play to an audience of white folks who are struggling from paycheck to paycheck to make ends meet. I know enough of them and they don't react very well to that concept. Go figure.

 

[Caliknight]

It doesn't play well because it is a complete fallacy, like a lot of things we see from a certain left leaning party.

Unless you are Eddie Murphy in SNL. Then it is real.

 

[Kbee3]

It doesn't play well because it is a complete fallacy, like a lot of things we see from a certain left leaning party.

No...it's not. The only reason you can't see it is 'cause you don't wanna see it.
Man, I hate religious fanatics.

 

[brgossRU90]

When white people say there's no racism--except against asians at university admissions offices--or when straight people say there's no homophobia that's all you need to know about how valid their judgment is on just about anything.

 

[BlockR]

When white people say there's no racism--except against asians at university admissions offices--or when straight people say there's no homophobia that's all you need to know about how valid their judgment is on just about anything.

yes RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL ON ALL SIDES ..! guess these people were for 'the movement" ?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/23/2-suspects-arrested-in-beating-marine-outside-mcdonalds.

 

[mdk01]

When white people say there's no racism--except against asians at university admissions offices--or when straight people say there's no homophobia that's all you need to know about how valid their judgment is on just about anything.

At least with respect to the OP, that is in no way an accurate summation of what he/she posted. It was limited to college admissions.

 

[e5fdny]

KEEP THIS MOVING PLEASE------------------>>>>

STILL ON THE WRONG BOARD.

 

[zappaa]

When white people say there's no racism--except against asians at university admissions offices--or when straight people say there's no homophobia that's all you need to know about how valid their judgment is on just about anything.

SNooooooZZZZZZZZZ……
When people cry racism and homophobia for no reason that's all you need to know about how valid their judgement is on just about anything

 

[NotInRHouse]

I agree with all of that.
I just wonder sometimes how people expect the whole "white privilege" thing to play to an audience of white folks who are struggling from paycheck to paycheck to make ends meet. I know enough of them and they don't react very well to that concept. Go figure.

They still have some privilege. We need to move past a point where people blame whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians etc as groups are to blame. And it's hard to do when you have the main Republican candidate telling people Mexicans and Muslims and China are to blame for all that's wrong and openly questioning the religion and birth of the President and his competition...that alone should be enough but some on the right want to bury their heads in the sand.

 

[Kbee3]

SNooooooZZZZZZZZZ……
When people cry racism and homophobia for no reason that's all you need to know about how valid their judgement is on just about anything

But there ARE reasons...and you should certainly be aware of them, Zap. Come on, you have to know enough people that are racists and anti-gay and have the power to hire and fire...or rent or sell...or any one of a number of ways they can stick it to a minority. Things haven't changed THAT much since "the good old days."

BTW, nice move by Spanky (or somebody) to move this thread over to this board. Who is gonna find it over here ?

 

[Kbee3]

".....but some on the right want to bury their heads in the sand."

SOME ????

 

[e5fdny]

BTW, nice move by Spanky (or somebody) to move this thread over to this board. Who is gonna find it over here ?

AND IT IS STILL ON THE WRONG BOARD!!!

KEEP IT MOVING--------------->>>>>>>>

 

[derleider]

The problem with this point of view is that it is really really dumb. How do you determine who the "best" students are? Admissions are highly subjective whether you factor in face or not.

It also assumes that getting the "best" students is the only role for a university. If you are Harvard - thats probably true - or at least you could make that case. As a state university, Rutgers has a role to play in helping those who werent "the best", but who show promise based on their success relative to their peers.

Although really, it should be easy to take race out of the question and just go by parents income. You would get the same results more or less (in fact more meaningful - I mean is there a reason that Russel Simmons kids should get a theoretical boost over the kids of a KOrean corner shop owner?) and avoid the more controversial aspects of diversity promotion.

 

[retired711]

It also assumes that getting the "best" students is the only role for a university. If you are Harvard - thats probably true - or at least you could make that case. As a state university, Rutgers has a role to play in helping those who werent "the best", but who show promise based on their success relative to their peers.

Although really, it should be easy to take race out of the question and just go by parents income. You would get the same results more or less (in fact more meaningful - I mean is there a reason that Russel Simmons kids should get a theoretical boost over the kids of a KOrean corner shop owner?) and avoid the more controversial aspects of diversity promotion.

I don't think Harvard would claim to take the best students. Harvard wants to educate tomorrow' leaders, so it looks for leadership characteristics in its applicants. It also wants a diverse student body, and not just in the racial sense.
And that's hardly new.

I have looked at studies on the effect of substituting income-based affirmative action for race-based. The results are not the same -- significantly fewer minority students get in on income-based programs. Maybe that's good in the sense that it recognizes that white people can also be victims of poverty. OTOH, blacks and hispanics continue to face especially high barriers in this country, so maybe it is not unreasonable to give them a certain amount of preference. I have to say I've been trying to think about this problem for a long time, and have yet to find a solution that satisfies me.

 

[e5fdny]

Still needs to be moved "over there" ----->

 

[rutgersdave]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-teens-elite-public-schools-article-1.2553723

Explain why the free market works perfectly in sports but in education the free market doesn't work supposedly. If 54% of Asians get into the elite schools, they should be admitted. Other kids place their emphasis on other areas like sports, music, acting or video games.

 

[LC-88]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-teens-elite-public-schools-article-1.2553723

Explain why the free market works perfectly in sports but in education the free market doesn't work supposedly. If 54% of Asians get into the elite schools, they should be admitted. Other kids place their emphasis on other areas like sports, music, acting or video games.

Bingo. No one is calling for more Laotin-American offensive lineman in college football. If we treated sports like education, then we'd be setting aside spots for people under 5'5" tall on the women's volleyball team. Why don't we do that? Isn't that discrimination? Not their fault they are short. Let's lower the nets. Sorry 6' 4" person, you can't play, the over 6' slots are full. Difference? Sports is all about winning, not about participation (though it is starting to go that way in youth sports). Education is now about participation and fairness. Not encouraging the best and brightest.