Study after study shows blacks going to prison for the same offenses that send others to rehab or mental hospitals. Study after study shows blacks getting punished more severely than others for the same crimes. When they send out identical fictional resumes in city after city with only the names changed the resumes with names like Laquan and Tyresha get responded to less often. This is perhaps unconscious but nonetheless verifiable racial bias--and it has real effects on people's lives.
OT - Racism alive and well at universities
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It's not facts if you don't understand the system and as usual you don't. Canadian HS stops at grade 11. Grades 12 and 13 are what they consider college. Some kids go to college( 2-3 year programs) to prepare for University while many others go to learn a trade to prepare them for the work force. If you want to compare apples you would have to include every kid who learns a trade, joints a carpenters union, goes to tech HS etc etc. Then there is the actually reality that the people of Quebec have finally realized they can't afford all the taxes and have had enough. They have been squeezing the Gov programs more and more every year. The students rioted in the streets a few years ago and my understanding is after the latest budget it will be happening again. Then there is this:
The detailed spending estimates outline the real impact of the continued cuts — $45 million less for the province’s school boards, $21 million less in the CEGEP system and a $10-million loss to universities.
To put that in perspective, the federation of Quebec school boards estimates that after factoring in only inflation and normal operating costs, the system needs $350 million more a year to keep its head above water.
Here's another fun fact: Quebec spends about 20,00k per kid per year towards their University budgets. The state of NJ spends about 18,000 a year per student in our public school system. In Places like Camden it's about 24,000. MAybe we should worry less about what we are spending and question more why it costs so much here? You have already established McGill is a far superior school yet it only costs 3,700 for Quebec Residents vs 14,000 for RU and NJ residents. Non Quebecers can go to McGill for about 8,000 while non NJ kids shell out 30,000 for RU.
WHO numbers have to been explained ad naseum here so I won't waste my time. The reality is the Canadian system is great when you are young and healthy and simply need a free physical or vaccine. Problem is when you actually need something you are screwed. It's exactly why it costs me tens of thousands of dollars a year to have stuff done here for my wife's family members and why "Danny Williams, the premier of the Canadian province of Newfoundland, traveled to the United States earlier this month to undergo heart valve surgery at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami. With his trip, Williams joined a long list of Canadians who have decided that they prefer American medicine to their own country's government-run health system when their lives are on the line."
But then talk about a system that is unaffordable and leading everyone to bankruptcy...Our health care system is insanely expensive--$123 to defrost a unit of blood???--so much so that people are leaving this country to go abroad to get non-emergency surgery done. Like everything in this world--and much of America--if you are affluent it's a great system. If you aren't, not so much.
I'm not sure what the answer is. I personally don't want a single payer system for a number of reasons, but not necessarily because "our system is the best in the world." It is not for a lot of people. And if you want to hear health care horror stories you can certainly find more than a few from our system, starting with me.
Wow, that's how you "serve" someone via a message board. I doubt NIRH will be back for a while!
DIO - As of today, don't have your kids check the "Asian" box on their applications. Sadly, it will harm their changes.
I never said our system was infallible and dint need changes. However, it is by and far away the best when it comes to emergency and critical care. I could be wrong but most of the people leaving here are going abroad for cosmetic or unapproved type surgeries. Also, There was a very simple fix to the perceived major problem in our country regarding healthcare. Obama could have simply expanded Medicare/Medicaid and covered the under and uninsured. However, anyone who was being honest or paying attention always knew that was just a BS excuse. ACA was designed to be a stop gap to get us one step closer to single payer. If it wasn't Obama would have done what I said and then attacked costs in a number of simple ways that don't limit care. For example, I have a friend who is pain management doctor who used to get about 4k per injection and another 20k for the surgery center from state employees. Few years ago, state said you now get 499 and facility gets 1200. He still does them but instead of at a ASC he does them in a hospital. Now as usual, the swing was a bit much but I'm sure there could have been common ground with real savings.
Honest question, as I do not know the answer. Is there an "Other" or "Mixed Race" box to check?
Oh,
So my dad was a share cropper when he moved here at 12 with his father and literally 1 pair of pants had all the economic benefits to take care of me. And my wife came here at 4 years of age with a family that had nothing. Both of our parents worked their asses off to help us get to a lower middle environment while we were kids. So, we should be penalized because our parents worked their asses off to help us get an education. My children should be penalized because my wife and I work very hard to scrape together all the money we can to pay our bills so they can live in a decent neighborhood with a decent school district.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...il-as-often-as-white-teens-who-commit-dozens/
http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
- About 14 million Whites and 2.6 million African Americans report using an illicit drug
- 5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites
- African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.
- African Americans serve virtually as much time in prison for a drug offense (58.7 months) as whites do for a violent offense (61.7 months). (Sentencing Project)
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2015/05/06/institutional-racism-is-our-way-of-life
Let’s start with pre-school. Black pre-schoolers are far more likely to be suspended than white children,NPR reported. Black children make up 18 percent of the pre-school population, but represent almost half of all out-of-school suspensions.
Even disabled black children suffer from institutional racism. About a fifth of disabled children are black – yet they account for 44 and 42 percent of disabled students put in mechanical restraints or placed in seclusion.
In the workplace, black college graduates are twice as likely as whites to struggle to find jobs - the jobless rate for blacks has been double that of whites for decades. A study even found that people with “black-sounding names” had to send out 50 percent more job applications than people with “white-sounding names” just to get a call back.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-sounding-names-study_us_561697a5e4b0dbb8000d687f
The links could go on and on and on.
I believe if you are Hispanic but shoot a black guy you should check the White Hispanic box.
I don't believe most do. I looked at several online applications and all had the same questions/choices, no other or mixed options (probably what the federal gov recommends). But the questions are optional.
Just who is doing the suspending? My guess is that the administrators of pre-schools in predominantly black neighborhoods are themselves likely to be predominantly black. Is this truly a sigh on racism?
Most links are to left wing/biased groups, so those are pointless. I will look at the few others from legit sources!
Not looking good for Mr. Brgoss - these links are not saying what he thinks they are saying. Also, before looking at differences among races, you need to control for income differences so we can compare apples to apples. Also, it would be good to control for urban vs. suburban communities.
Well, you're going to have to post a few of those recent relevant studies on sentencing that demonstrate two individuals with exactly the same offenses and track record with one getting punished more severely bercause of skin color.
The one small study ever completed on resumes is now very dated and has been a topic of much discuussion on the CE Board, with the libs clinging to a positioon that regardless of what changes happen and are apparent in U.S. Society, it takes a funded peer reviewed study to ever counter even an significantly aged prior study.
Not a theory. Consistent with the Data. And if you read between the Tweets, it's awful.
http://nymag.com/following/2016/01/donald-trump-mostly-retweets-white-supremacists.html
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I see you didn't answer my simple question.
It may also interest you to know that the plural of anecdote is not data.
None of which disproves more Canadians have COLLEGE DEGREES. Not Grade 13, not tech school. READ THE ARTICLES. Because you will respknd with "in my experience/it costs a lot/article is too liberal"...here it is:
"In 2010, 51% of the population had completed a tertiary education, which takes into account both undergraduate and graduate degrees."
Not Grade 13. Not tech school. Please stay on topic.
The highest in the world. We're not even going in circles in anymore. You're just presented with facts you don't like, so you run from them. It costs more here mainly because NJ (among other states) does an awful job funding higher education. In NJ they would much rather spend money on K-12 for political reasons, among other things. We can play this game for other countries too. I'm sure being a genius, and once professing to know more about illegal immigrants working on farms, than Alabama watermelon farmers, that you can tell us how terrible Israeli and Japanese systems are- both of which have more college grads than we do as well. Be careful now, because criticizing Israel will get knives out on your side.
You know when it's also great? When you don't have to declare bankruptcy because you had cancer or a car accident. A right in every Western country except the United States. A politician leaving the country for medical treatment often has little to do with service and everything to do with privacy.
The bottom line is, your side will just never accept the fact that nearly every other Western country, and often times, places like Israel that Republicans venerate like they do guns and bibles, implement policies successfully, that Republicans refuse to, on everything from free or low cost education, universal health care, gun control...and their outcomes often end up better.
The reason why things don't get done is because your side is devoid of solutions. The current Republican pack leader on health care's plan is literally to "replace Obamacare with something terrific." Not one has a plan on the out of control cost of college (oh and a VAT and tax breaks for the wealthy isn't a plan). Their plan is only to stomp their feet and oppose. And better yet, he plans to increase spending on Medicare, Medicaid, and SSI, to force American companies to make things here and punish ones who don't, and wants to keep the Obamacare mandate...and that's conservative?
You are doing that- confronted with the fact that making tuition affordable has had outstanding outcomes in a country that demographically mirrors us, you talk about tech school, which of course is a total non-sequiter which you would have realized if you read the article. MORE UNDERGRADUATE DEGREES. You run to anecdotes instead of the cold hard facts. You could at least man up, admit you were wrong, and try to recommend a private sector solution, which is what an actual conservative would have done pre-tea party.
Yawn.
I'm still waiting for President Christie.
That is, jail block President. I hope he doesn't tell his new roomies to sit down and shut up. Ben Carson has predicted some interesting results for jail birds!!!
8 in 10 Trump supporters have no college degree. Which tells you everything you need to know.
I'm still waiting for a Trump policy that sounds in conservatism. Literally every policy proposal I've heard from him- and granted there are few- will require an increase in government spending. Whether it's expanding social security, rounding up the undocumented, keeping the healthcare mandate, registering Muslims, and punishing companies that refuse to build things in America. His trade policies are significantly to the left of Bernie Sanders and will result in $2000 Iphones.
Yet the Republican candidates will not say boo about it. Instead I heard Ted Cruz say, totally falsely, that Trump's sister was a Clinton appointee who loved abortion- when she was a Reagan appointee who ruled the same way in that abortion case as Justice Alito when he was on the Third Circuit.
As I saw a conservative commentator say, Trump supporters are with him because of Mexicans, Muslims, and China. That's it. And his positions on those issues favor a huge, undemocratic government. Which totally supports the theory that race is playing a sizable role that your side is not admitting.
Nikki Haley and Tim Scott can stand with Rubio on stage until they are blue in the face. It's irrelevant when you see how far ahead Trump is, and his racist opinions and support.
So the vast right wing conspiracy was responsible for the Abbott decision?
The Republicans stopped tort reform?
If you have a car accident and have no or inadequate insurance, how will your medical bills be paid? If anything tort reform would negatively impact that, and that was my point. But since you mentioned tort reform, it's a costly disaster for the middle class. For example, families in states with tort reform that caps recovery for medical malpractice and have to deal with children who need 24-7 care are being pushed into extremely dire financial straits. In a country with socialized medicine, there is no need. You will have care, and not have to sue for it.
And RU funding was crappy before Abbott. It has nothing to do with that. In fact, if you read the Abbott case, it points how much wealthier districts spend. In many US states, there is a lot of funding for K-12 and college. Pre-tea party Kansas was a good example of that. Everyone agreed it was important. It is with their rise that states that once valued education, like Wisconsin and North Carolina, joined NJ in treating it like the red headed step child. So bad in Kansas that they have to close elementary schools.
and once again you prove why you are the the biggest jackass on these forums. First, you love to paint with that big stupid brush. I have never once commented on immigration, watermelon farmers, or any of the the other crap you just spouted off about. Again, you totally blow by the fact that I am MARRIED TO A F$CKING IMMIGRANT JACKASS. You like to think that everyone who doesn't agree with you is some bible thumping, gun toting, redneck, Cruz follower who is a rabid Israel supporter. It's actually quite sad that you live your life like this and it probably explains why you are so miserable. Now, as for staying on topic which is quite funny after your tangent above, how hard is it for you to realize that in Canada 12 and 13th grades ARE considered college and count as tertiary degrees and equivalent to undergrad degrees? This includes not only people doing University Prep but also those learning a trade or other skills designed to help them gain employment in the workforce. You continue to argue something you simply don't understand. Which I am sure the few people who don't have you on ignore are not the least bit surprised to read. Also, as per money spent on students you gloss over the fact that NJ spends so much per student in primary education because it's "just about getting votes". Here's an idea, maybe we should hold the schools more accountable and not piss so much money away? Maybe just Maybe if we did that there would be more money left over to give Rutgers thereby keeping the cost down? Finally, you also like to gloss over the fact that many of the places you cite including Canada and Japan don't have the absolute crap hole areas to deal with. Areas that suck at the budget year in and year out and the increased funds create zero demonstrable improvement. You want to name me the ghettos in Quebec that are the drain on the budget that Paterson, Trenton, Camden, Passaic, Newark, Irvington just to name a few? Let me guess, all those places are the result of RWCJ politicians who have been the leaders on NJ politics for the last 50 years.
If you have an accident your medical bills are paid by your car insurance. If you have "no or inadequate" car insurance than you shouldn't be driving because it's against the law. Again, making crap up and having no clue about the stuff you post.
Wow, lol. You just went Thermonuclear!!! Bravo!!! Well Played Sir, Well Played indeed!!!
Nice job Mr Liberal Progressive
Your first sentence puts you firmly in the same camp as Obama mocking the gun owning religion following masses who just aren't smart enough to see the light of progressive brilliance.
NIRH just redlined anyone who isn't a college grad and said, "enough said...nudge nudge..."
You can't be that stupid....
8 of 21 somehow is the Data....
Lol !!!!!
Of all his arguments I found this to be one of his oddest. What % of the black, hispanic, and union votes that got Obama elected twice had college degrees?
Why would you call him a racist?
It's a terrible thing when people use that word so loosely
It's telling that the premise of this thread--that racism against Asians exists at universities--was not challenged by any of the usual right wing suspects but allegations of the existence of racism against blacks in a whole host of areas were, and always are, met with skepticism and even denial.
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