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OT - Racism alive and well at universities

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which brings up another problem. Logic dictates that people leaving your professional and medical schools are poised to make an immediate financial impact. You have to figure out a way to address those numbers I talk about. The RU undergrad people in my program were largely big RU supporters. There was them and...me. lol. I would imagine, un scientifically, that the law school has similar problems. And I can say that we experienced very little in the RU Screw department. We were treated very well on a day to day basis in the hassle mitigation department.

We mention this on the issues board a lot. RU needs to start working on this.

In my experience in law school, there were a lot of people who, for some bizarre reason, hated college but loved law school...RU can and should seize on their nerdyness.
 
Yea and it's great for the small percentage of kids who can get in. It's not very progressive of you to leave behind the other 90%. In Canada if you don't get in to one of their stellar but limited options you either get a job or go to school here. We could have their model but then we'd be closing a boatload of schools.

What evidence is there of that? More than half of Canadians have a college degree, the most in the world. So are 40% of them coming to the US for college?

You know it's OK to admit that in some places in the world, the government actually does a good job of things, that the private sector and government combine to do fairly poorly in this country, namely, make it so higher education and adequate healthcare not limited to the wealthy.
 
What evidence is there of that? More than half of Canadians have a college degree, the most in the world. So are 40% of them coming to the US for college?

You know it's OK to admit that in some places in the world, the government actually does a good job of things, that the private sector and government combine to do fairly poorly in this country, namely, make it so higher education and adequate healthcare not limited to the wealthy.

Fantastic Post!!!
 
What evidence is there of that? More than half of Canadians have a college degree, the most in the world. So are 40% of them coming to the US for college?

You know it's OK to admit that in some places in the world, the government actually does a good job of things, that the private sector and government combine to do fairly poorly in this country, namely, make it so higher education and adequate healthcare not limited to the wealthy.
What evidence? Gee I don't know how about me being married to a Canadian who went to McGill and whose entire family still lives there. There is no reason to continue this discussion with you because you have no idea what you are talking about but will continue to argue. Probably post some random article from salon.com while ignoring how their system actually works. For example, college and University are two different things there.....
 
High IQ's are worthless without creativity.

Robert Rowe,a 6th grade dropout,created horse racing systems that still work today.Despite their fondness for the sport of kings,the Chinese have been unable to approach Rowe's work.
 
Someone did say "white people are losing rights." I would like to know, what right, other than the right to turn away from black folks from their businesses and to enslave them, have white people lost, ever, in the history of the US?
And while we are at it, let's list all of the rights black people have lost since 1970...

Your post plus mine perfectly reflect our differences in opinion. You want to see debilitating racism everywhere. I see us as a post racial society where racism exists but its real impact is immaterial.
 
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What evidence is there of that? More than half of Canadians have a college degree, the most in the world. So are 40% of them coming to the US for college?

You know it's OK to admit that in some places in the world, the government actually does a good job of things, that the private sector and government combine to do fairly poorly in this country, namely, make it so higher education and adequate healthcare not limited to the wealthy.
Fantastic post...until you try to apply it to our government....
 
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And while we are at it, let's list all of the rights black people have lost since 1970...

Your post plus mine perfectly reflect or differences in opinion. You want to see debilitating racism everywhere. I see us as a post racial society where racism exists but its real impact us immaterial.

Are you white?
 
What evidence? Gee I don't know how about me being married to a Canadian who went to McGill and whose entire family still lives there. There is no reason to continue this discussion with you because you have no idea what you are talking about but will continue to argue. Probably post some random article from salon.com while ignoring how their system actually works. For example, college and University are two different things there.....

Busted.
 
oh cut me a frackin break. I went to Rutgers College back in the late 70's-early 80's. When I go back on campus the school looks COMPLETELY different and highly diversified versus what it was then. The amount of Asian students is off the charts.

Why don't we just get off the African this, Hispanic that, Indian such and Asian them. Holy Crap, everybody wants to be treated as equals until they want to put themselves in a bucket to serve a purpose.

If anything go bitch to the Quota folks who feel everything needs to be artificially engineered for the benefit of the greater good.

(edited to remove my sin reference to the lord)
You miss the point. You shouldn't be penalized for being a certain race which I think you agree with.
 
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Maybe the whole concept of a Meritocracy is simply a Myth. In fact maybe it's time to admit that schools like Princeton, Harvard and Yale have profited from the evil scourge of Slavery, as well as Racism.
 
Glad you finally agree that the Canadian method of properly funding higher ed makes a difference. McGill is academically superior to any US public school and is a fraction of the cost, and Canadians have some of the highest, if not the highest, achievement in higher education because going to college in Canada is not being saddled with debt for the rest of your life.
You do realize middle-class income tax in the province of Quebec is approaching 50%?
 
Go look up what happened to tax revenue after JFK, Reagan, and GWB cut tax rates. Let me give you a hint - up, up, and away!

Paying for future wars/invasions.

Whether it was Vietnam (JFK/Johnson) under a Democratic Administration or Iraq (GWB) under a Republican Administration, most people will admit today were both a mistake.

Trump in his last debate stated that the Irag war was a big mistake and questioned the reason for it(WMD).

If an administration goes to war, they should go to the american people and state they will have to raise taxes to pay for this war/invasion because we do not want our national debt to increase.

Therefore, in the case of Iraq (for example) I have heard the war to date has cost the nation somewhere between 1 and 2 trillion dollars. Taxes should be increased to pay for the war. I wonder what the tax increases would be to pay for the Iraq war (no credit cards).

Since the US Government did away with the National Draft, many US servicemen serving in Iraq had to serve several tours of duty. Believe me if a National Draft still existed and Rutgers students (true for all Universities) were being drafted to serve in Irag (similar to Vietnam) there would be so many protest that the Bush Administration would be astounded at the ferocity of the protests (Democracy).

Hearings would be demanded that would make the Benghazi hearings look like a cake walk.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Thoughts

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
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You do realize middle-class income tax in the province of Quebec is approaching 50%?
There are very few countries with lower (highest rate) personal income taxes than the USA. The US corporate taxes is high compared to other countries and that needs to be lowered.
 
You do realize middle-class income tax in the province of Quebec is approaching 50%?
No he doesn't because he has no real world knowledge. It's all snip it's and left wing websites. Forget their income tax rate, it's the everyday taxes and fees that kill you. A 50$bottle of wine here is at least 75 at the SAQ. That's right, the government owns all the liquor stores and adds additional tax. If you want bags at the grocery store you need to buy them as well. We visited late summer and left kids with Nonna so we could do a night downtown. I would have killed for NYC prices. 2 Martini's and you're out 48 bucks. Oh, and just because I don't want to be remiss, their healthcare blows.
 
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So is the answer to reform our government so it can function in that manner, like the Canadian government?
Beats me. I know our government runs pretty poorly...why would we double down and expect a larger government to run efficiently?
 
Maybe the whole concept of a Meritocracy is simply a Myth. In fact maybe it's time to admit that schools like Princeton, Harvard and Yale have profited from the evil scourge of Slavery, as well as Racism.
No they didn't...and the stretch people have to go through to legitimize that sound bite is ridiculous.
 
There are very few countries with lower (highest rate) personal income taxes than the USA. The US corporate taxes is high compared to other countries and that needs to be lowered.

Many of the largest US corporations pay little to no tax. They use something called an inversion.
They incorporate in a country with a very low tax rate (ex Ireland) which they have nothing more than a post office box and pay little to no US taxes or they buy a small foreign company and incorporate there.


The US government should put in legislation prohibiting such tactics to avoid US taxes or say the company is a foreign enterprise and impose import taxes on all products sold in the US even if they are produced in the US. High US taxes mean nothing when you circumvent the process.

See for yourself.

Just Google: Profitable US Fortune 500 Corporations who pay little to no US taxes.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
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UC Berkeley (and UCLA) largely removed race based admissions with two decisions, one in 1988 and another in 1996. As a result, the Asian population at Berkeley doubled and is now over 45%. The white student population decreased to 25%. Black and Latino populations also dropped

The Ivies are trying to avoid this outcome.
So were these Asians all sitting in trade school or the military before the Cals lifted their quota, or are there now also colleges that have become overwhelmingly white since all the Asian students left for Cal & UCLA?
 
Yes, I think that all parts of college admission and participation should be based on equality and not on competition and merit. I for one would like to complain about the institutional racism on the Rutgers men's basketball team. Caucasian make up 73% of the state's population but received less than 2% of playing time in games in the last decade. The team has not appropriately recruited Caucasian players. If you say that generally African American players are better, I will call you a racist just like I will call you a racist if you say generally Caucasians do better academically in school. See how that works?

Interesting. I always laugh at the NFL's Rooney rule and wonder why the league isn't worried about the unfair racial make-up of the players. Lefties LOL.
 
The problem with this point of view is that it is really really dumb. How do you determine who the "best" students are? Admissions are highly subjective whether you factor in face or not.


WTF about letting the best kids in regardless of race is really really dumb? And I'm asking that of you and the people who liked your post.

My kids are half white and half asian. Why the hell should they be penalized if they work their ass off and are better students according to the grading scales we have put in place?
 
The reality is that if there were no quotas and it were based purely on grades, the demographics of every elite school would look like Berkeley and UCLA - the Asian community has achieved what they have academically purely on merit and quotas against them are quite unfair. It's reminiscent of what happened at Harvard and other elite schools in the early part of the 20rh century. Jewish students were beginning to disproportionately gain admission to those schools based on the entrance exam and other objective criteria so Harvard introduced other criteria ostensibly to bring in more "well rounded" students - ie - to make sure that there weren't too many admits who were not members of the then WASP power elites.

You are also seeing Asian kids beginning to dominate junior tennis at rates far in excess of their percentage of the population and, concommitantly, the rosters of tennis teams at elite academic colleges. Take a look at the women's tennis roster at Dartmouth - always a bastion of wasp-dom. Again pure merit and they deserve what they get.
 
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Many of the largest US corporations pay little to no tax. They use something called an inversion.
They incorporate in a country with a very low tax rate (ex Ireland) which they have nothing more than a post office box and pay little to no US taxes or they buy a small foreign company and incorporate there.


The US government should put in legislation prohibiting such tactics to avoid US taxes or say the company is a foreign enterprise and impose import taxes on all products sold in the US even if they are produced in the US. High US taxes mean nothing when you circumvent the process.

See for yourself.

Just Google: Profitable US Fortune 500 Corporations who pay little to no US taxes.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Or simply drop our corporate tax rate.
 
The reality is that if there were no quotas and it were based purely on grades, the demographics of every elite school would look like Berkeley and UCLA - the Asian community has achieved what they have academically purely on merit and quotas against them are quite unfair. It's reminiscent of what happened at Harvard and other elite schools in the early part of the 20rh century. Jewish students were beginning to disproportionately gain admission to those schools based on the entrance exam and other objective criteria so Harvard introduced other criteria ostensibly to bring in more "well rounded" students - ie - to make sure that there weren't too many admits who were not members of the then WASP power elites.

You are also seeing Asian kids beginning to dominate junior tennis at rates far in excess of their percentage of the population and, concommitantly, the rosters of tennis teams at elite academic colleges. Take a look at the women's tennis roster at Dartmouth - always a bastion of wasp-dom. Again pure merit and they deserve what they get.
Because...Asian families focus on their kids achievement, as fund Jewish families in the 20's.

We should be lauding them and holding them out as a model. Instead of making excuses for everyone else.
 
Many of the largest corporations pay little to no tax. They use something called an inversion?.
They incorporate in a country with a very low tax rate (ex Ireland) which they have nothing more than a post office box and pay little to no US taxes.

The US government should put in legislation prohibiting such tactics to avoid US taxes or say the company is a foreign enterprise and impose import on the taxes on all products sold in the US even if they are produced in the US. High US taxes mean nothing when you circumvent the process.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Pretty sure
Someone did say "white people are losing rights." I would like to know, what right, other than the right to turn away from black folks from their businesses and to enslave them, have white people lost, ever, in the history of the US?

Trump's ascendance correlates with a galvanization of "Uneducated White Males", pretty much sums up the problem in America. Those UWM's see equality as a threat to their very notion of Democracy in America.
 
WTF about letting the best kids in regardless of race is really really dumb? And I'm asking that of you and the people who liked your post.

My kids are half white and half asian. Why the hell should they be penalized if they work their ass off and are better students according to the grading scales we have put in place?

Because high test scores and high grades are partly a factor of socioeconomic advantages. It doesn't take a genius to realize that if you use purely these "objective" factors you will wind up with very predictably homogenous campuses. Question: is an economically and socially disadvantaged student who has 80 percent of the grades and test scores of a student from a privileged background a better student or a worse one? BTW this is a question for poor rural whites in Appalachia as well as urban minorities.
 
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No he doesn't because he has no real world knowledge. It's all snip it's and left wing websites. Forget their income tax rate, it's the everyday taxes and fees that kill you. A 50$bottle of wine here is at least 75 at the SAQ. That's right, the government owns all the liquor stores and adds additional tax. If you want bags at the grocery store you need to buy them as well. We visited late summer and left kids with Nonna so we could do a night downtown. I would have killed for NYC prices. 2 Martini's and you're out 48 bucks. Oh, and just because I don't want to be remiss, their healthcare blows.

Statistics > Your experience.

52% of Canadians have a degree beyond high school. Higher than the US. FACT FACT FACT all day. That's what you don't get. That's not a left wing website, it's a FACT. Do you understand the difference? You can bloviate all day, and I'm sure you will, about how they get there. But you can't argue with the FACT that a higher percentage of them have a higher education than Americans. Instead of just conceding you were wrong, you try to claim that your "real world knowledge" knows more than FACTS.

But for laughs and giggles, here's a nice little FACT barrage for you. If I could have found a Breitbart or Faux News article on this I'd have added it. But instead I'll let you chat up how US News and Time have nothing on the RWCJ. I eagerly await calling the OECD a left wing organization.


http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/27/and-the-worlds-most-educated-country-is/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...4-7-wall-st-most-educated-countries/15460733/

And also, LOL. Ted Cruz, right wing America's favorite Canadian, favors imposing a VAT.

California taxes plastic bags.

And, oh too easy....

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...zations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

But hey. I don't know why you waste time here with us peasants when you clearly know more than the WHO and OECD...
 
Why is this relevant?

You don't think it's relevant when a white person says we live in a post racial society where nobody is really being harmed by the racism that still exists? How does this person know what it's like to be black or any other minority?
 
Beats me. I know our government runs pretty poorly...why would we double down and expect a larger government to run efficiently?

If the "government runs poorly", then why did the Heritage Foundation plan Obamacare?

Why should the government be involved in abortion if it "runs poorly"?

Why should the "poorly run" government tell people who they can marry?

If the government runs poorly, why should we listen when Republicans in government say "bomb [insert country] or overthrow [X leader] or fund the government of [extreme human rights violator]?

And oh, by the way, where does Rutgers get its funding?
 
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Statistics > Your experience.

52% of Canadians have a degree beyond high school. Higher than the US. FACT FACT FACT all day. That's what you don't get. That's not a left wing website, it's a FACT. Do you understand the difference? You can bloviate all day, and I'm sure you will, about how they get there. But you can't argue with the FACT that a higher percentage of them have a higher education than Americans. Instead of just conceding you were wrong, you try to claim that your "real world knowledge" knows more than FACTS.

But for laughs and giggles, here's a nice little FACT barrage for you. If I could have found a Breitbart or Faux News article on this I'd have added it. But instead I'll let you chat up how US News and Time have nothing on the RWCJ. I eagerly await calling the OECD a left wing organization.


http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/27/and-the-worlds-most-educated-country-is/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...4-7-wall-st-most-educated-countries/15460733/

And also, LOL. Ted Cruz, right wing America's favorite Canadian, favors imposing a VAT.

California taxes plastic bags.

And, oh too easy....

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...zations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

But hey. I don't know why you waste time here with us peasants when you clearly know more than the WHO and OECD...

You should know by now that truthiness matters much more than egg headed book learnin' to right wingers. If it FEELS true and, better yet, if it has some anecdotal evidence to back it up it MUST be true.
 
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And while we are at it, let's list all of the rights black people have lost since 1970...

Your post plus mine perfectly reflect our differences in opinion. You want to see debilitating racism everywhere. I see us as a post racial society where racism exists but its real impact is immaterial.

I don't see debilitating racism everywhere. But lots of white people do, including the poster in this thread who said whites are losing rights. I don't think any race has lost or gained rights since 1970. That doesn't mean there is no racism.
 
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