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OT - Racism alive and well at universities

It's telling that the premise of this thread--that racism against Asians exists at universities--was not challenged by any of the usual right wing suspects but allegations of the existence of racism against blacks in a whole host of areas were, and always are, met with skepticism and even denial.
It's telling that you took a good thread down the tubes with your perpetual victim claims and usual attacking of anyone who disagrees with you.
 
Denial of Racism is in fact a form of racism. I did in fact say "suspected". So yes, It works from a logic standpoint, as well as linguistically.
Who are you? The judge and jury of what is racist and what isn't?

Just because someone disagrees with you on a racial matter doesn't equate to them denying it

They just see it from a different perspective

Like I said....it is grossly irresponsible to liberally label someone with such a horrible moniker
 
Who are you? The judge and jury of what is racist and what isn't?

Just because someone disagrees with you on a racial matter doesn't equate to them denying it

They just see it from a different perspective

Like I said....it is grossly irresponsible to liberally label someone with such a horrible moniker

Just following the logic, Sir. Are you suffering from an impacted bowel? You seem irritated, lol.
 
How many months has it been since a white racist walked into a black church and murdered 9 people? And here in this thread we have someone who says we are in a "post racial society" where the little bit of lingering racism is immaterial. Tell that to the victims and their families.
 
I took a thread ABOUT RACISM down the tubes with "victim claims"? Lmao do you even read what you write sometimes?
Any independent reader would come to the conclusion that you took this thread down the tubes with your standard progressive claptrap.
 
I see you didn't answer my simple question.

It may also interest you to know that the plural of anecdote is not data.


The answer is no, whether it's the students fault or the educational system. The students who have a better education with better scores have proven that they can handle the work. The students from a poor backgound who have dealt with a lesser academic curriculum aren't as ready to handle the same workload even though they may be able to. Nothing in the rules that says they can't transfer to a better university if they do well their first couple of years in college.
 
How many months has it been since a white racist walked into a black church and murdered 9 people? And here in this thread we have someone who says we are in a "post racial society" where the little bit of lingering racism is immaterial. Tell that to the victims and their families.
Good to see you following the lead of the families who were so graceful in granting forgiveness and not polarizing further....
 
and once again you prove why you are the the biggest jackass on these forums. First, you love to paint with that big stupid brush. I have never once commented on immigration, watermelon farmers, or any of the the other crap you just spouted off about. Again, you totally blow by the fact that I am MARRIED TO A F$CKING IMMIGRANT JACKASS. You like to think that everyone who doesn't agree with you is some bible thumping, gun toting, redneck, Cruz follower who is a rabid Israel supporter. It's actually quite sad that you live your life like this and it probably explains why you are so miserable. Now, as for staying on topic which is quite funny after your tangent above, how hard is it for you to realize that in Canada 12 and 13th grades ARE considered college and count as tertiary degrees and equivalent to undergrad degrees? This includes not only people doing University Prep but also those learning a trade or other skills designed to help them gain employment in the workforce. You continue to argue something you simply don't understand. Which I am sure the few people who don't have you on ignore are not the least bit surprised to read. Also, as per money spent on students you gloss over the fact that NJ spends so much per student in primary education because it's "just about getting votes". Here's an idea, maybe we should hold the schools more accountable and not piss so much money away? Maybe just Maybe if we did that there would be more money left over to give Rutgers thereby keeping the cost down? Finally, you also like to gloss over the fact that many of the places you cite including Canada and Japan don't have the absolute crap hole areas to deal with. Areas that suck at the budget year in and year out and the increased funds create zero demonstrable improvement. You want to name me the ghettos in Quebec that are the drain on the budget that Paterson, Trenton, Camden, Passaic, Newark, Irvington just to name a few? Let me guess, all those places are the result of RWCJ politicians who have been the leaders on NJ politics for the last 50 years.

READ THE LINK. Do you read English?

Being married to an immigrant doesn't mean bull. If you HAD READ you would realize everything you said is garbage. Hello, from the direct quote, TECH SCHOOL IS NOT A DEGREE. I mean this is basic English.

For the love of god thankfully you did not graduate from Rutgers.

And yeah maybe Quebec doesn't have a ghetto because it didn't have Strom Thurmond or George Wallace and their ancestors keeping African-Americans out of jobs so they had to flee with no money to those cities you listed among every other Northern city.

Crack a book and then search your post history where you claimed that illegal immigration was bad for business which you know because you're in business or some other bull.

You guys really think you know more than actual studies when you cannot even read, and when that is pointed out to you, it's direct to ad hominem. You guys are sad and yes you do validate every stereotype. You are no better than when Trump "heard" unemployment is at 42%...
 
If you have an accident your medical bills are paid by your car insurance. If you have "no or inadequate" car insurance than you shouldn't be driving because it's against the law. Again, making crap up and having no clue about the stuff you post.

Ok now I feel bad. Your inability to detect the context clues in reards to clear healthcare references shows you just don't know English. I'll try using more basic form going forward so you won't struggle.
 
Of all his arguments I found this to be one of his oddest. What % of the black, hispanic, and union votes that got Obama elected twice had college degrees?

Not sure. Do you think it was close to the % of Jewish and Asian Americans, who voted for him overwhelmingly?

Oh, and Obama won voters with graduate degrees too.

Oh, and won almost every group not evangelicals or old white men...TWICE.

Much like the Democratic candidate had won every single popular vote except for one since 1992.
 
Ok now I feel bad. Your inability to detect the context clues in reards to clear healthcare references shows you just don't know English. I'll try using more basic form going forward so you won't struggle.

Dammit VKJ- if you don't know healthcare, I'm worried...
 
Nice job Mr Liberal Progressive

Your first sentence puts you firmly in the same camp as Obama mocking the gun owning religion following masses who just aren't smart enough to see the light of progressive brilliance.

NIRH just redlined anyone who isn't a college grad and said, "enough said...nudge nudge..."

Actually I do agree with Obama on the bible and gun clingers. That may be the truest thing ever said by any politician, ever. But they are not a mass- most Americans support abortion, gay marriage, and background checks. And Obama won twice. Gun and bible clingers just screamed loudest, till Trump.

But that's not the point I was making. I don't consider Trumpies conservatives, because they support big government. Trump is far to the left of Obama on trade. He's to the left of Sanders on trade. His plans will cost billions. You cannot call yourself conservative and want to strangle business like that, or move government into registration and concentration camps and all of that.

The bible and gun clingers are with Cruz. It's the racists that are with Trump. And plenty of conservatives agree and are furious with their choices.

And I want to be clear, I understand some Republicans are angry about that but it's too few and the ones who support Trump should admit their fascism.

It's related to college degrees because the graduates earn more. Some low earners drop out of HS and work low wage jobs and then blame Mexicans, or Muslims, or whoever, and that is pathetic. I thought Republicans wanted personal responsibility?
 
Denial of Racism is in fact a form of racism. I did in fact say "suspected". So yes, It works from a logic standpoint, as well as linguistically.

You have to learn what you are up against. The prevailing philosophy of most of those who hold the counterpoint is that any inequality of results is not the result of any form of systemic disadvantage that disproportionately affects people of color but the result of a willful rejection of the conservative values of family and personal accountability that have been proven to work when you have white skin, are of exceptional ability, or your parents have already demonstrated prosperity; by people of color. What a child is to do when by no fault of their own they are born without without exceptional ability or family support is a mystery of faith from a God who punishes sin generationally and those that believe in this faith are never imposed to rectify this mystery of faith.

So as you can see it not racist to point out facts which demonstrate the choice of people of color to be remain inferior. As a commitment to this philosophical position each time there is a murder in Chicago, or someone games the welfare system, or questionable charge of racism is made they must vigorously argue that those incidents represent all black people, all recipients of public assistance, or charges of racism, not to mention, rape, sexism and domestic violence. On the other hand any misuse of guns or police discipline, or any other authority they endorse represents no trend. It is just bad apples. The idea that the bad apple in the police force contributes to spoil the bunch doesn't apply, however they buy in whole heartedly to the idea that just as a fleck of feces in a bowl of ice cream means you have a bowl of shit, so too does a drop of colored blood make you a professional victim who invited upon themselves.
 
You have to learn what you are up against. The prevailing philosophy of most of those who hold the counterpoint is that any inequality of results is not the result of any form of systemic disadvantage that disproportionately affects people of color but the result of a willful rejection of the conservative values of family and personal accountability that have been proven to work when you have white skin, are of exceptional ability, or your parents have already demonstrated prosperity; by people of color. What a child is to do when by no fault of their own they are born without without exceptional ability or family support is a mystery of faith from a God who punishes sin generationally and those that believe in this faith are never imposed to rectify this mystery of faith.

So as you can see it not racist to point out facts which demonstrate the choice of people of color to be remain inferior. As a commitment to this philosophical position each time there is a murder in Chicago, or someone games the welfare system, or questionable charge of racism is made they must vigorously argue that those incidents represent all black people, all recipients of public assistance, or charges of racism, not to mention, rape, sexism and domestic violence. On the other hand any misuse of guns or police discipline, or any other authority they endorse represents no trend. It is just bad apples. The idea that the bad apple in the police force contributes to spoil the bunch doesn't apply, however they buy in whole heartedly to the idea that just as a fleck of feces in a bowl of ice cream means you have a bowl of shit, so too does a drop of colored blood make you a professional victim who invited upon themselves.

According to Mormon Doctrine, Blacks are cursed by God. Does this mean that all Mormons are racist?

Btw, When you call Black People inferior? Are you referring to their position to God?
 
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None of which disproves more Canadians have COLLEGE DEGREES. Not Grade 13, not tech school. READ THE ARTICLES. Because you will respknd with "in my experience/it costs a lot/article is too liberal"...here it is:

"In 2010, 51% of the population had completed a tertiary education, which takes into account both undergraduate and graduate degrees."

Not Grade 13. Not tech school. Please stay on topic.

The highest in the world. We're not even going in circles in anymore. You're just presented with facts you don't like, so you run from them. It costs more here mainly because NJ (among other states) does an awful job funding higher education. In NJ they would much rather spend money on K-12 for political reasons, among other things. We can play this game for other countries too. I'm sure being a genius, and once professing to know more about illegal immigrants working on farms, than Alabama watermelon farmers, that you can tell us how terrible Israeli and Japanese systems are- both of which have more college grads than we do as well. Be careful now, because criticizing Israel will get knives out on your side.

You know when it's also great? When you don't have to declare bankruptcy because you had cancer or a car accident. A right in every Western country except the United States. A politician leaving the country for medical treatment often has little to do with service and everything to do with privacy.

The bottom line is, your side will just never accept the fact that nearly every other Western country, and often times, places like Israel that Republicans venerate like they do guns and bibles, implement policies successfully, that Republicans refuse to, on everything from free or low cost education, universal health care, gun control...and their outcomes often end up better.

The reason why things don't get done is because your side is devoid of solutions. The current Republican pack leader on health care's plan is literally to "replace Obamacare with something terrific." Not one has a plan on the out of control cost of college (oh and a VAT and tax breaks for the wealthy isn't a plan). Their plan is only to stomp their feet and oppose. And better yet, he plans to increase spending on Medicare, Medicaid, and SSI, to force American companies to make things here and punish ones who don't, and wants to keep the Obamacare mandate...and that's conservative?

You are doing that- confronted with the fact that making tuition affordable has had outstanding outcomes in a country that demographically mirrors us, you talk about tech school, which of course is a total non-sequiter which you would have realized if you read the article. MORE UNDERGRADUATE DEGREES. You run to anecdotes instead of the cold hard facts. You could at least man up, admit you were wrong, and try to recommend a private sector solution, which is what an actual conservative would have done pre-tea party.
Perfect case study of someone that just can't admit he/she is wrong. So sad!
 
Ok now I feel bad. Your inability to detect the context clues in reards to clear healthcare references shows you just don't know English. I'll try using more basic form going forward so you won't struggle.
Lol. So typical...yea context clues. You clearly said car accident because you have no idea how the process works. You were wrong and then look for some way to weasel out.
 
Who are you? The judge and jury of what is racist and what isn't?

Just because someone disagrees with you on a racial matter doesn't equate to them denying it

They just see it from a different perspective

Like I said....it is grossly irresponsible to liberally label someone with such a horrible moniker

Actually I do agree with Obama on the bible and gun clingers. That may be the truest thing ever said by any politician, ever. But they are not a mass- most Americans support abortion, gay marriage, and background checks. And Obama won twice. Gun and bible clingers just screamed loudest, till Trump.

But that's not the point I was making. I don't consider Trumpies conservatives, because they support big government. Trump is far to the left of Obama on trade. He's to the left of Sanders on trade. His plans will cost billions. You cannot call yourself conservative and want to strangle business like that, or move government into registration and concentration camps and all of that.

The bible and gun clingers are with Cruz. It's the racists that are with Trump. And plenty of conservatives agree and are furious with their choices.

And I want to be clear, I understand some Republicans are angry about that but it's too few and the ones who support Trump should admit their fascism.

It's related to college degrees because the graduates earn more. Some low earners drop out of HS and work low wage jobs and then blame Mexicans, or Muslims, or whoever, and that is pathetic. I thought Republicans wanted personal responsibility?

Republicans want OTHER people to take personal responsibility. When things go wrong for them, however, it's always the fault of liberals or liberal policy.
 
Republicans want OTHER people to take personal responsibility. When things go wrong for them, however, it's always the fault of liberals or liberal policy.
Very poor attempt at stereotyping

I surely don't feel that way
 
I'm happy I live in the greatest country in the world.
I feel fortunate to be able to make a difference in the lives of underprivileged kids from all over NJ.
All you need to do is own your own heart, we've got a man on here with the nerve to call others suspected white supremisists, someone please ban that jackass.
Be nice to everyone and don't judge people, do your part to make the world better and stop crying and complaining.
 
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I'm happy I live in the greatest country in the world.
I feel fortunate to be able to make a difference in the lives of underprivileged kids from all over NJ.
All you need to do is own your own heart, we've got a man on here with the nerve to call others suspected white supremisists, someone please ban that jackass.
Be nice to everyone and don't judge people do your part to make the world better and stop crying and complaining.

Yup, in a country built by Blacks for Whites. And even that's not good enough for you. Here's an idea, let's have the Football and Basketball Teams pay for the Olympic Sports. Which for the most part, they don't even participate in.

Oh Wait, we already do that.
 
Yup, in a country built by Blacks for Whites. And even that's not good enough for you. Here's an idea, let's have the Football and Basketball Teams pay for the Olympic Sports. Which for the most part, they don't even participate in.

Oh Wait, we already do that.

You have any clue who Zappa is and what his family is about?
 
I wasn't aware white people didn't participate in football and basketball in colleges across this country.

I work with a lady that used to hang out with you and PJ and his family in Bay Head. She says nothing but nice things about you.
 
Yup, in a country built by Blacks for Whites. And even that's not good enough for you. Here's an idea, let's have the Football and Basketball Teams pay for the Olympic Sports. Which for the most part, they don't even participate in.

Oh Wait, we already do that.

I wasn't aware white people didn't participate in football and basketball in colleges across this country.

LOL. I also didn't realize that blacks & other minorities were shut out of Olympic Sports. Honestly not sure where that line of logic was heading.
 
You have to learn what you are up against. The prevailing philosophy of most of those who hold the counterpoint is that any inequality of results is not the result of any form of systemic disadvantage that disproportionately affects people of color but the result of a willful rejection of the conservative values of family and personal accountability that have been proven to work when you have white skin, are of exceptional ability, or your parents have already demonstrated prosperity; by people of color. What a child is to do when by no fault of their own they are born without without exceptional ability or family support is a mystery of faith from a God who punishes sin generationally and those that believe in this faith are never imposed to rectify this mystery of faith.

So as you can see it not racist to point out facts which demonstrate the choice of people of color to be remain inferior. As a commitment to this philosophical position each time there is a murder in Chicago, or someone games the welfare system, or questionable charge of racism is made they must vigorously argue that those incidents represent all black people, all recipients of public assistance, or charges of racism, not to mention, rape, sexism and domestic violence. On the other hand any misuse of guns or police discipline, or any other authority they endorse represents no trend. It is just bad apples. The idea that the bad apple in the police force contributes to spoil the bunch doesn't apply, however they buy in whole heartedly to the idea that just as a fleck of feces in a bowl of ice cream means you have a bowl of shit, so too does a drop of colored blood make you a professional victim who invited upon themselves.
Nice wide sweeping, over reaching strawman argument.
 
You have to learn what you are up against. The prevailing philosophy of most of those who hold the counterpoint is that any inequality of results is not the result of any form of systemic disadvantage that disproportionately affects people of color but the result of a willful rejection of the conservative values of family and personal accountability that have been proven to work when you have white skin, are of exceptional ability, or your parents have already demonstrated prosperity; by people of color. What a child is to do when by no fault of their own they are born without without exceptional ability or family support is a mystery of faith from a God who punishes sin generationally and those that believe in this faith are never imposed to rectify this mystery of faith.

So as you can see it not racist to point out facts which demonstrate the choice of people of color to be remain inferior. As a commitment to this philosophical position each time there is a murder in Chicago, or someone games the welfare system, or questionable charge of racism is made they must vigorously argue that those incidents represent all black people, all recipients of public assistance, or charges of racism, not to mention, rape, sexism and domestic violence. On the other hand any misuse of guns or police discipline, or any other authority they endorse represents no trend. It is just bad apples. The idea that the bad apple in the police force contributes to spoil the bunch doesn't apply, however they buy in whole heartedly to the idea that just as a fleck of feces in a bowl of ice cream means you have a bowl of shit, so too does a drop of colored blood make you a professional victim who invited upon themselves.
STFU and help someone today and above all don't judge others.
 
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STFU and help someone today and above all don't judge others.

seriously. In my own mind the base root of racism is the deep rooted belief of a concept and inability to think beyond it. With the dug in stance of so many here you wonder how that could be, right? This country and the people in it and running it are far from perfect. But we have come a long way. But it is never going to be perfect. We're humans and that's life.

not asking for a group hug here. Just folks to listen and open their minds a bit more to each other.

ok. kumbya moment over. carry on..
 
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