OT- Reports Hackenberg brutally bad at Jets camp

[MozRU]

The biggest mystery is why the Jets used a 2nd round pick on him, they could have gambled with 4th or 5th round pick. You don't use a 2nd rock pick on a risky, long term gamble.

I did like this post, but with some reservation.

I do HATE it though when I hear it on draft day. "Why take a late 3rd or early 4th round guy in 2nd?" There are 32 teams looking at the "top prospects."

Well, if everyone is thinking that, you have a good shot at missing him, if you or anyone else deems him a "real contributor for 3 to 4 years." If you are sooooooo fortunate there is no glaring hole you need to fill, you take the risk one in a while.

Hack was worth the risk this time IMO. The Jets are just cursed when it come to QBs. I would be more confident if anyone else made the pick and not the Jets.

 

[kjb32812]

I did like this post, but with some reservation.

I do HATE it though when I hear it on draft day. "Why take a late 3rd or early 4th round guy in 2nd?" There are 32 teams looking at the "top prospects."

Well, if everyone is thinking that, you have a good shot at missing him, if you or anyone else deems him a "real contributor for 3 to 4 years." If you are sooooooo fortunate there is no glaring hole you need to fill, you take the risk one in a while.

Hack was worth the risk this time IMO. The Jets are just cursed when it come to QBs. I would be more confident if anyone else made the pick and not the Jets.

Maybe the Jets could pick QBs for my Browns and my Browns could pick QBs for your Jets. What could go wrong?

 

[Knightmoves]

Maybe the Jets could pick QBs for my Browns and my Browns could pick QBs for your Jets. What could go wrong?

You should learn to show a little more respect to RU posters on this board. Did your parents ever teach you that guests should display manners when they visit other people's homes ?

 

[kjb32812]

You should learn to show a little more respect to RU posters on this board. Did your parents ever teach you that guests should display manners when they visit other people's homes ?

I show respect to the majority of posters on here but when someone has no idea what they are talking about, it is hard to ignore. Pretty sure I haven't done any name calling or broken any rules. I've simply been involved in debate and conversation like everyone else.

 

[MADHAT1]

Like I said above, no one knows what the problem with Hack is. Completely impossible to know. Obviously there are many opinions out there.

Once again, you are showing just how little you know about Penn State football. The OC was a scape goat...Franklin was running the offense. To boot, McSorley and Stevens are dual threat QBs. Carry on though. You look more inept with every post.

So it's Franklin's coaching that has held the Nit offense back and he got rid of the OC to make it look like Penn St's offensive problems was the OC's fault.
Guess Hack's lack of development playing for Franklin from the strides he took under BOB will be laid at Donovan's feet by you. [winking]
Don't forget ( which you chose to ignore in your reply):
>The former five-star recruit showed big promise in his first season at Penn State, which was played under the guidance of coach Bill O'Brien<
>Since that season, his coaching has been called into question.<

You can claim ( and be right) that I'm not an expert or actually know a lot about Penn St football, but I will say I try to include links or statements that back up the points I make about that program.
You on the other hand just ignore what I post then claim : >Once again, you are showing just how little you know about Penn State football< while not really addressing my proof and trying a different spin in an effort to deny the truth .
I believe I'll take a ex NFL GM's word, what I read NFL scouts said ( basicly: Hack shouldn't have dissed Franklin, even if it was the truth) and BOB's claim of how the cult
was: >You can print this: You can print that I don’t really give a ---- what the ‘Paterno people’ think about what I do with this program. I’ve done everything I can to show respect to Coach Paterno. Everything in my power. So I could really care less about what the Paterno faction of people, or whatever you call them, think about what I do with the program. I’m tired of it.

“For any ‘Paterno person’ to have any objection to what I’m doing, it makes me wanna put my fist through this windshield right now.”
That’s why, in probably about a month, they’re gonna be ----ing looking for a new coach.”<


You just deny and try to make it look like I don't know what I'm talking about.
But what I'm talking about is what those in the know have said.
So you ignore what they said and claim I don't know about Penn St football every time I prove you wrong [roll] .

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

@MADHAT1, you lose credibility, though, when your links don't really support your point. You interpreted Bill Polian's comments as a shot at Franklin. Here, again, is the direct quote from him that you posted:

"Hackenberg has got mechanical issues that I think need to be straightened out," Polian said on ESPN's 'Mike and Mike' Monday morning. "That's a result of the terrible beating he took at Penn State this year. I've never seen a quarterback survive the kind of beating that he took this year. The fact that he did is to his credit, but he needs some developmental work because when you take a beating like that, your mechanics go all to heck."

That's more an indictment of the Pop Warner offensive line he was playing behind at PSU than of Franklin. I don't understand why we have to keep debating Hack's career as it relates to Franklin on this board; Hack had the same problems with O'Brien, except they were magnified playing in a different style of offense without multiple NFL offensive linemen and one of the best wide receivers in the world.

And that's not coming from a random article I found via Google search. I watched every snap Hack took at PSU, most of them more than once.

 

[kjb32812]

So it's Franklin's coaching that has held the Nit offense back and he got rid of the OC to make it look like Penn St's offensive problems was the OC's fault.
Guess Hack's lack of development playing for Franklin from the strides he took under BOB will be laid at Donovan's feet by you. [winking]
Don't forget ( which you chose to ignore in your reply):
>The former five-star recruit showed big promise in his first season at Penn State, which was played under the guidance of coach Bill O'Brien<
>Since that season, his coaching has been called into question.<

You can claim ( and be right) that I'm not an expert or actually know a lot about Penn St football, but I will say I try to include links or statements that back up the points I make about that program.
You on the other hand just ignore what I post then claim : >Once again, you are showing just how little you know about Penn State football< while not really addressing my proof and trying a different spin in an effort to deny the truth .
I believe I'll take a ex NFL GM's word, what I read NFL scouts said ( basicly: Hack shouldn't have dissed Franklin, even if it was the truth) and BOB's claim of how the cult
was: >You can print this: You can print that I don’t really give a ---- what the ‘Paterno people’ think about what I do with this program. I’ve done everything I can to show respect to Coach Paterno. Everything in my power. So I could really care less about what the Paterno faction of people, or whatever you call them, think about what I do with the program. I’m tired of it.

“For any ‘Paterno person’ to have any objection to what I’m doing, it makes me wanna put my fist through this windshield right now.”
That’s why, in probably about a month, they’re gonna be ----ing looking for a new coach.”<


You just deny and try to make it look like I don't know what I'm talking about.
But what I'm talking about is what those in the know have said.
So you ignore what they said and claim I don't know about Penn St football every time I prove you wrong [roll] .

First of all, I'm not a defender of Franklin, Donovan or Rahne. It is obvious that Hack had worse coaching from them than under OB and Fisher. That's not the point. I watched every single game of Hack's career and he was wildly inconsistent in his first year. The knock on him has always been his accuracy. So again, no one will ever know if this is all Franklin's fault or if Hack was partially to blame as well. I'm not sure why you are so dead set on putting all the blame on Franklin when it is impossible to truly know.

You brought up one former NFL guy and I brought up one. Silly to think that there aren't varying opinions on every player out there.

In regards to O'Brien, I think he is a sleaze and can't stand him so I am certainly biased. I'm no Paterno supporter so I couldn't care less about him honoring/respecting Paterno or not. I thought him firing Vandy was idiotic and I also have a real problem with his little get together with the Big Four and their families. He's a fraud. That in itself is one thing but when you have to constantly listen to people act like he isn't because they simply liked him, it gets old.

 

[PharmD Blue]

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Is it Franklin's fault that OB lied to Hack and his family? Did Franklin recruit him to PSU?

Hack didn't do as bad as people say? Good God are you clueless. Look at his statistics. He was God awful. Sorry but coaching isn't the problem when you sail a ball out of bounds or into the dirt when throwing a straight pass to a person 10 yards away.

You are an absolutely horrible poster who has no clue WTF he is talking about. Keep acting like OB didn't get the Big 4 and their families together and make a promise he didn't keep.

Didn't Franklin coach him for the past several years? He got worse as his career went on. A product of Franklin's absolutely inept coaching.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Not only have you talked out of your rear-end about every topic regarding Penn State, you backed it up with showing just how knowledgeable you are regarding things that are Rutgers related. Well done, sir. Well done.

Please tell us the lie that PSU head coach BoB sold Hackenberg.

 

[kjb32812]

Please tell us the lie that PSU head coach BoB sold Hackenberg.

Got the B4 and their families together and told them he was going to be there for the duration of their careers. Pretty common in CFB I suppose but the situation was a little different than most. Also has been said that OB knew he had two years until he got out of dodge because of the OL situation. TIFWIW

 

[MADHAT1]

@MADHAT1, you lose credibility, though, when your links don't really support your point. You interpreted Bill Polian's comments as a shot at Franklin. Here, again, is the direct quote from him that you posted:

"Hackenberg has got mechanical issues that I think need to be straightened out," Polian said on ESPN's 'Mike and Mike' Monday morning. "That's a result of the terrible beating he took at Penn State this year. I've never seen a quarterback survive the kind of beating that he took this year. The fact that he did is to his credit, but he needs some developmental work because when you take a beating like that, your mechanics go all to heck."

That's more an indictment of the Pop Warner offensive line he was playing behind at PSU than of Franklin. I don't understand why we have to keep debating Hack's career as it relates to Franklin on this board; Hack had the same problems with O'Brien, except they were magnified playing in a different style of offense without multiple NFL offensive linemen and one of the best wide receivers in the world.

And that's not coming from a random article I found via Google search. I watched every snap Hack took at PSU, most of them more than once.

You can question my credibility all you want and I'm sure you will find some RU fans questioning what I post about Hack, BOB, Franklin and everything Penn St.
But when you critique what I googled, please don't ignore the part that leans towards my POV when you question the accuracy of my opinion on the Hack development issue being discussed when you challenge what I post.
You left this out while challenging the credibility of my posts challenging the Nit version being spun : >and his coaching has been called into question ( meaning Franklin's or his OC , maybe both).<


If you are going to prove me wrong by using statements I post, have the decency of posting the parts that tend to support my opinion rather ignore them and act like they don't exist so your personal opinion becomes a fact
Leaving out what an expert had said ( that I found though googling articles that cover this conversation) isn't the right way to attack someones credibility , in my opinion.
I feel that only shows you are trying to prove your point misrepresenting all the facts by ignoring points that aren't in your favor.
>His coaching has been called into question< was a major part of my showing those who are considered more knowledgeable than me agree Hack didn't receive the proper coaching and you left that out because it didn't agree with what you are trying to claim.

 

[kjb32812]

@MADHAT1 I don't think there is a Penn State fan who would argue that Franklin's offensive coaching is very questionable. He is an offensive coach but people from both MD and Vandy have said that his offenses always stink. However, they have also said (for the most part) that he is a good recruiter, an excellent motivator and that his kids always play hard for him.

For him to be successful, I have said that Franklin really needs to allow Moorhead to do his job and stay out of it. From all accounts Moorhead is an offensive genius.

 

[MADHAT1]

BOB probably told every recruit he recruited that he planned on being the Penn St HC throughout all of their college career.
That's common practice, but BOB didn't know the extent the Cult would interfere with the way he was trying to salvage the Nit FB program and that forced him to decide leaving Happy Valley was the best option for him and I bet he told his agent : Get me out of here !

Sometimes promises made are hard to keep because of circumstances that pop up.
But there are some that will ignore the circumstances and spin what happened in order to make someone look bad.

 

[kjb32812]

BOB probably told every recruit he recruited that he planned on being the Penn St HC throughout all of their college career.
That's common practice, but BOB didn't know the extent the Cult would interfere with the way he was trying to salvage the Nit FB program and that forced him to decide leaving Happy Valley was the best option for him and I bet he told his agent : Get me out of here !

Sometimes promises made are hard to keep because of circumstances that pop up.
But there are some that will ignore the circumstances and spin what happened in order to make someone look bad.

We will have to agree to disagree about the cult forcing him out because I think that is total horse manure. Again though, I'm not an O'Brien fan so I am definitely biased. IIRC, part of his temper tantrum was a result of people questioning him not retaining Vandy. I mean, the guy was arguably the best LB coach in football so I think that criticism is pretty fair. Besides, if you're a head coach and you can't deal with criticism from fans and having to kiss up to boosters then you need to find another gig. IMO, that was the problem. O'Brien wants to coach but he doesn't want any part of being the face of a university or having to deal with all of the other aspects of being a CFB coach. You may say that is the cult running him off but I don't think it is any different than what any other coach at a big time program has to deal with. You think Charlie Strong is loving his job right now?

 

[MADHAT1]

kjb32812,
everything points to Franklin being a great recruiter, my opinion is based on his coaching .
Your new OC might make the Nits play far better O than was the case under the old OC and Franklin did.
That remains to be seen, but I won't claim it won't happen ( just hope it doesn't).
As for motivating PSU players, I have no reason to doubt you and tend to agree with you based on how good Franklin recruits.
When I believe someone's right I will agree with them, when I think they are wrong, I will disagree.
On this issue we seem to be in agreement

 

[kjb32812]

kjb32812,
everything points to Franklin being a great recruiter, my opinion is based on his coaching .
Your new OC might make the Nits play far better O than was the case under the old OC and Franklin did.
That remains to be seen, but I won't claim it won't happen ( just hope it doesn't).
As for motivating PSU players, I have no reason to doubt you and tend to agree with you based on how good Franklin recruits.
When I believe someone's right I will agree with them, when I think they are wrong, I will disagree.
On this issue we seem to be in agreement

You actually take is a step further than me. I think he is a very good recruiter but he won't be great or elite until he starts winning. JMO but the class rankings are top decile and top quintile. That's very good. To get to great he needs to be consistently top decile IMO.

 

[MADHAT1]

kjb32812,
Charlie Strong isn't loving his job, he's trying to save it.

 

[kjb32812]

kjb32812,
Charlie Strong isn't loving his job, he's trying to save it.

Exactly. I think it is safe to say that boosters and fans are questioning him and how he is running the program. Some may even be pointing to how Mack did it when he was having success.

 

[MADHAT1]

Oh God, me and kjb32812 are starting to get along,what next :
join hands and start singing Kumbayah [laughing]
Just kidding, better to treat each-other with respect and try to get along than take the
other route [cheers]

 

[kjb32812]

Oh God, me and kjb32812 are starting to get along,what next :
join hands and start singing Kumbayah [laughing]
Just kidding, better to treat each-other with respect and try to get along than take the
other route [cheers]

Yeah, sometimes agreeing to disagree is just better option. A few things to remember about OB...and I will try to be fair.

• What he did with McGloin was amazing. Or was it? McGloin has been in the NFL year for almost five years and OB only coached him for one season. I'll give OB the benefit of the doubt.
• What OB did with the TEs was fun to watch. Other than ARob, his WRs were really bad though. Either way, he gets credit for the game planning.
• OB beat Wisky twice and had no business in doing so.
• OB's demeanor was awesome. He's just a football coach.
• He had a LB return kicks. Not a good look.
• His defenses were atrocious. To boot, he promoted John Butler who was nowhere near being qualified for the job.
• He lost to Ohio University and an absolutely horrible, horrible UVA team.

So for all of the pundits who act like he was the second coming of Lombardi, I disagree. His saving grace was beating Wisky twice. Again though, I am biased.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

You can question my credibility all you want and I'm sure you will find some RU fans questioning what I post about Hack, BOB, Franklin and everything Penn St.
But when you critique what I googled, please don't ignore the part that leans towards my POV when you question the accuracy of my opinion on the Hack development issue being discussed when you challenge what I post.
You left this out while challenging the credibility of my posts challenging the Nit version being spun : >and his coaching has been called into question ( meaning Franklin's or his OC , maybe both).<


If you are going to prove me wrong by using statements I post, have the decency of posting the parts that tend to support my opinion rather ignore them and act like they don't exist so your personal opinion becomes a fact
Leaving out what an expert had said ( that I found though googling articles that cover this conversation) isn't the right way to attack someones credibility , in my opinion.
I feel that only shows you are trying to prove your point misrepresenting all the facts by ignoring points that aren't in your favor.
>His coaching has been called into question< was a major part of my showing those who are considered more knowledgeable than me agree Hack didn't receive the proper coaching and you left that out because it didn't agree with what you are trying to claim.

Hold on...

You started the post in question by saying a former NFL GM "just about placed all the blame on Franklin." However, the comments from Polian clearly reference the awful OL play. In fact, the rest of the story following Polian's comments further supports the notion that Hack's biggest problems at PSU were (1) the OL and (2) his own major shortcoming as a QB—his accuracy.

And now you are saying MY post was disingenuous because I failed to place much credence in eight words - "...and his coaching has been called into question" - added by the reporter (not an expert, a reporter, unless you're going to show me his football credentials and all the film he broke down), with no evidence added to back up the claim?

I'm starting to see why so many people in this country are so easily influenced by the things they read, and more important, what they MISREAD as they interpret the media they consume in ways that won't challenge their preconceived notions.

Keep in mind, my goal here isn't to say Franklin is some offensive mastermind. He is not a better X's and O's guy than O'Brien. I will, however, continue to dispute the false notion that Hack struggled BECAUSE of Franklin.

 

[MADHAT1]

Hold on...

You started the post in question by saying a former NFL GM "just about placed all the blame on Franklin." However, the comments from Polian clearly reference the awful OL play. In fact, the rest of the story following Polian's comments further supports the notion that Hack's biggest problems at PSU were (1) the OL and (2) his own major shortcoming as a QB—his accuracy.

And now you are saying MY post was disingenuous because I failed to place much credence in eight words - "...and his coaching has been called into question" - added by the reporter (not an expert, a reporter, unless you're going to show me his football credentials and all the film he broke down), with no evidence added to back up the claim?

I'm starting to see why so many people in this country are so easily influenced by the things they read, and more important, what they MISREAD as they interpret the media they consume in ways that won't challenge their preconceived notions.

Keep in mind, my goal here isn't to say Franklin is some offensive mastermind. He is not a better X's and O's guy than O'Brien. I will, however, continue to dispute the false notion that Hack struggled BECAUSE of Franklin.

And I will dispute your version on why Hack struggled.
But will say Franklin's offense wasn't the type to make the most out of Hack's talent from what I heard.
As far as those 8 words: sometimes leaving out part of what's said makes a big difference when trying to understand what happened.
Sometimes people are misinformed about what someone said by those who leave part of a statement out when quoting what was said.
Here is what was said and those 8 words make a lot of difference when looking at the whole picture, not just the parts you want noticed:
>Since that season, Hackenberg has struggled to stay upright behind a porous offensive line. His playmakers were far less dynamic and experienced, and his coaching has been called into question.<

Misreading is one thing , leaving parts out then saying they don't make a difference in what was said is another.
Just saying this >Since that season, Hackenberg has struggled to stay upright behind a porous offensive line< makes for a far different meaning without the >coaching has been called into question< part .
As I said you ignored a big part of my argument and leaving it out of your reply wasn't allowing the whole picture to show.
Yes those 8 words meant something .

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

No question, Geno Smith is the best QB on the Jets roster.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Got the B4 and their families together and told them he was going to be there for the duration of their careers. Pretty common in CFB I suppose but the situation was a little different than most. Also has been said that OB knew he had two years until he got out of dodge because of the OL situation. TIFWIW

Ummm.. how does that mean Franklin is not responsible for Hackenberg's issues rather than BoB? I can see that being why PSU fans hate BoB.. but as far as Hackenberg is being discussed in this thread.. you canot absolve Franklin's influence by saying Hackenberg was deprived of BoB's coaching.

I think the order of "blame" is..

1) Hackenberg (ultimately you are responsible for your own success or failure)
2) Sandusky
3) JoePA (if you haven't figured out why.. look at number 4
4) Bad OL that got the kid POUNDED (penalties related to 2-3)
5) Franklin
6) BoB would have handled him better.. no doubt.

 

[GSGS]

Man, people on here don't give Hackenberg enough credit for the visionary he was, the leader, the trailblazer. He embraced supporting an institution that put the reputation of its football team over the welfare of 10 year old boys before it was the popular thing to do, before today's recruits decided it wasn't worth giving a second thought. He bought into the PSU culture at a time different than today, when I wasn't the only one referring to them as Pedophile Supporter University. Christian Hackenberg didn't let the idea of showering where 10 year old boys got raped bother him one bit, what a brave and noble soul. He took the unpopular path and made it popular, and for that he deserves a tremendous amount of credit and respect.

 

[PatrickRU92]

Man, people on here don't give Hackenberg enough credit for the visionary he was, the leader, the trailblazer. He embraced supporting an institution that put the reputation of its football team over the welfare of 10 year old boys before it was the popular thing to do, before today's recruits decided it wasn't worth giving a second thought. He bought into the PSU culture at a time different than today, when I wasn't the only one referring to them as Pedophile Supporter University. Christian Hackenberg didn't let the idea of showering where 10 year old boys got raped bother him one bit, what a brave and noble soul. He took the unpopular path and made it popular, and for that he deserves a tremendous amount of credit and respect.

Hackenberg was the #1 QB recruit in the country IIRC. Could have gone anywhere, but chooses to go to State Penn shortly after learning the sick crap that went down, shortly after hearing about the sanctions (which weren't nearly as bad as they should have been)

You might say that shows character. I think it shows incredibly poor judgment--which incidentally is one the most important traits a good QB should have

 

[RU-ROCS]

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic...d_during_jets_training_camp/s1_12680_21501133

As a long-suffering Jets fan I know that almost every post in this thread is dead wrong. It's not Franklin's fault, it's not Hackenberg's fault. There is an otherworldly power at play here. Once a QB is drafted by the Jets, he is doomed to SUCK!
:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[RM60]

Not a Jets fan but I am not rooting against Hackenberg. I don't want to see him fail...always like to see kids succeed (other than against the Eagles).

 

[MADHAT1]

Not a Jets fan but I am not rooting against Hackenberg. I don't want to see him fail...always like to see kids succeed (other than against the Eagles).

I don't care if he succeeds in becoming an NFL player or not.
He made his bed when he committed to Penn St.
If playing there hurt his pro aspirations , that was a product of the choice he made.
Could be his time as a Nit could have made him stronger and able to use it in a way to show he can overcome the holes in his game and have the Jets decide he's worth keeping.

 

[miketd1]

The good news is that he seems to be intelligent with decent enough arm talent.

He also showed a lot of moxie ([sick]) when he visited HPS.

With better coaching, who knows..?

 

[SkilletHead2]

Weren't there times early on in the season last year when he was projected as the #1 overall pick in the draft?

I'd give him some time. Like 2-3 years or so. As a Giants fan, I am always hoping that they would have enough brains to draft somebody like a Hackenberg to develop as the person to step in for Eli.

 

[Doctor Worm]

He didn't get into the Jets game tonight. Not sure what to make of that, but I don't think it's good.

 

[GSGS]

The good news is that he seems to be intelligent with decent enough arm talent.

He also showed a lot of moxie ([sick]) when he visited HPS.

With better coaching, who knows..?

The bad news is that he sucks as a QB. Well, not really bad news.

 

[RUScrew85]

Let's take the high road here.

Are we really rooting against Hackenberg with the Jets because he played at PSU ?

Those days are over. Let's move on.

I am.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

He didn't get into the Jets game tonight. Not sure what to make of that, but I don't think it's good.

Hack not playing, and the comments by Bowles after the game, follow what I said regarding his lack of practice reps, and why it's ridiculously premature to call him "brutally bad" at this point. I wouldn't read too much into him not playing last night; this is essentially Hack's redshirt year, and the Jets need to see what they have in Petty.

 

[160louis]

I literally said it was the worst pick in the top 2 rounds. I've never been impressed by Hack and that's not because I dislike PSU, I just don't think he's good. The second the lights come the kid forgets how to play QB. The only positive thing people say about him is that "he looks the part" "he has a strong arm". You don't hear those comments about good QB's. You hear that this kid is intelligent. This kid is accurate. Things that actually make good quarterbacks.

 

[kjb32812]

I literally said it was the worst pick in the top 2 rounds. I've never been impressed by Hack and that's not because I dislike PSU, I just don't think he's good. The second the lights come the kid forgets how to play QB. The only positive thing people say about him is that "he looks the part" "he has a strong arm". You don't hear those comments about good QB's. You hear that this kid is intelligent. This kid is accurate. Things that actually make good quarterbacks.

I think there are two other things that he excels at. From all accounts, he is good in the room. In addition, he came to the line as a true FR (I think he had been on campus for three months) with three plays and then had to read the defense and call the play. That's a lot of responsibility and he seemed to relish it. Finally, he is a tempo/rhythm guy. I would have absolutely loved to see Franklin go more up tempo the past two years but in order to do that you have to be able to control TOP and not have a lot of three and outs. We couldn't move the ball enough to allow for that and certainly didn't have the defensive depth to allow for that. Moorhead wants to do the same thing this season so it will be interesting to see if our OL can make it happen. Apparently we had a lot of pukers along the OL when Moorhead first showed up because they couldn't take the pace.

 

[160louis]

I think there are two other things that he excels at. From all accounts, he is good in the room. In addition, he came to the line as a true FR (I think he had been on campus for three months) with three plays and then had to read the defense and call the play. That's a lot of responsibility and he seemed to relish it. Finally, he is a tempo/rhythm guy. I would have absolutely loved to see Franklin go more up tempo the past two years but in order to do that you have to be able to control TOP and not have a lot of three and outs. We couldn't move the ball enough to allow for that and certainly didn't have the defensive depth to allow for that. Moorhead wants to do the same thing this season so it will be interesting to see if our OL can make it happen. Apparently we had a lot of pukers along the OL when Moorhead first showed up because they couldn't take the pace.

So I forget what game it was last year but I had been down on Hack for a while but I kept wanting to give him a shot because you heard so many mixed feelings towards him. A CB shifted basically to all the line pre-snap and showed blitz (hacks blind spot). He literally walked in and sacked hack and I just remembered thinking this kid HAS to see that pre-snap. At that point I gave up completely on him. That sack wasn't on his line, it was on him. Compile that to me watching this kid throw balls in the dirt or balls over receivers heads when he had plenty of time to throw and it was all I needed to see.He may very well be good in the film game, but again, as soon as the lights come on he forgets how to play football.

 

[kjb32812]

So I forget what game it was last year but I had been down on Hack for a while but I kept wanting to give him a shot because you heard so many mixed feelings towards him. A CB shifted basically to all the line pre-snap and showed blitz (hacks blind spot). He literally walked in and sacked hack and I just remembered thinking this kid HAS to see that pre-snap. At that point I gave up completely on him. That sack wasn't on his line, it was on him. Compile that to me watching this kid throw balls in the dirt or balls over receivers heads when he had plenty of time to throw and it was all I needed to see.He may very well be good in the film game, but again, as soon as the lights come on he forgets how to play football.

I'm not sure but I don't believe he was able to audible. Point, yes. Audible, no.

 

[160louis]

I'm not sure but I don't believe he was able to audible. Point, yes. Audible, no.

Either way, then he has to know the ball needs to come out quickly. Not just take a sack.

Also, if that's true I think even worse of JF as I do now. That's absurd if you're not allowed to audible even if you know you'll have 1.5 seconds to throw the ball.