Other than the similarity in the intro riffs, nobody on the planet thinks Come as You Are and Eighties sound remotely similar. Eighties is a high energy banger in the best punk sense, while CAYA is a somewhat typical, for Nirvana, slow build to fast punk rocker with loads of atmosphere and tension. Both are fantastic songs. IMO.
They play Killing Joke Eighties on Altrok pretty regularly. I have never once associated that song with Nirvana and Come as You Are. There is not even a remote similarity in my opinion.
I'm guessing I'm one of the few people on this board who had "Eighties" as one of their top songs in 1984 when it came out and I can absolutely tell you that I never thought of it when I heard "Come as You Are" which is my favorite Nirvana song, which I also played to death. The intro riffs are very similar, but the overall songs are very different.
I was ready to peacefully bow out, but now I want to argue with you on the intro riffs. LOL.
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Lol,
Of course there is copying, some with consent and some without. The one is just not the case.
Lol,
I guess Kurt cobain himself is a fool then as he himself knew it was a ripoff…
The time that Nirvana was accused of plagiarism - Far Out Magazine
The time that Nirvana was accused of plagiarism by Killing Joke for allegedly ripping off 'Eighties' with their Nevermind track 'Come As You Are'.faroutmagazine.co.uk
Uhhhh could absolutely care less…. Pretty sure the results aren’t in your favor here either…. Dave Grohl is still selling out festivals and arena’s while collaborating with artists like Paul McCartney while Kurt was a junkie who chose heroin over his wife and child….
well, it's clear that you're on the other end of grohl's stick...
even if an artist never took a music class and invented his or her instrument, and it wasn't built on existing instruments, it is likely the music and vocals they use have a lot in common with past music.... otherwise it would sound like Yoko Ono screeches she called music and it would suck.
Lol, you’ve been the most emotional person this whole thread man! This is comical for me honestly how much it bothers ya’ll that someone just pointed out that the foo fighters are a better band and the reasons why. It wasn’t to discredit nirvana, just pointing out who the better band wound up being.
I was completely unaware of the group and this song until it was mentioned here. Just comparing the intro melody/riffs - where there is some similarity, I think the Killing Joke song is in standard tuning and I think it is the key of E. The rhythmic candence is similar but the tempo is quicker. The notes in melody are not exactly the same.
My father would be embarrassed for my asking the question (he was a professional musician, and that skill passed over me), but they are both in the key of E.
Believe me, I’m an amateur, kind of hack musician who is a work in progress. I’ve been trying to play the guitar for 18 yrs, which does help with hearing stuff but my musical ear needs a lot work. I believe both songs are in the key of E. The guitar on the Nirvana song is tuned down a full step, so instead of the open strings tuned standardly to EADGBE, it is tuned to DGCFAD. This does give the sound a lower tone. The Killing Joke song is in standard tuning and im not sure what else may be at work technique or gear wise that is creating the more jangly sound you are hearing. That opening melody which is similar on both songs is played on the low E (top string) and A (2nd from top) at the 2nd fret, using notes and open strings at the beginning. The Killng Joke melody is more difficult to pick up.My father would be embarrassed for my asking the question (he was a professional musician, and that skill passed over me), but they are both in the key of E.
You said Killing Joke is standard tuning, while Nirvana is down tuned. In my muddled way, I said "the Nirvana riff is slower and downtuned," so my Dad would be proud.
When you say downtuned, does that make the tone sound deeper? As I noted above, I thought the Killing Joke guitar sounded a bit more jangly (like The Smithereens), while the Nirvana guitar sounded more ominous.
Jangle - Wikipedia
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What's comical is you can't even be honest with yourself. You've made a bunch of disparaging remarks about Cobain's tortured personal life in order to discredit him and his music, which is ridiculous, as his personal life has zero to do with the musical comparison.
I leave my guitar tuned to Drop D (DADGBe) . If you assume EADGBe as "standard" tuning, any tuning where strings are tuned lower is "down tuned". Drop D makes playing power chords on the low strings easier.My father would be embarrassed for my asking the question (he was a professional musician, and that skill passed over me), but they are both in the key of E.
You said Killing Joke is standard tuning, while Nirvana is down tuned. In my muddled way, I said "the Nirvana riff is slower and downtuned," so my Dad would be proud.
When you say downtuned, does that make the tone sound deeper? As I noted above, I thought the Killing Joke guitar sounded a bit more jangly (like The Smithereens), while the Nirvana guitar sounded more ominous.
Jangle - Wikipedia
Derek Trucks at 14 years old playing Layla outro and a jam.I think Beato is one of the best YouTube music segments. He is extremely knowledgeable and informed. I’m going to post some of my favorite episodes. A discussion on the current state of rock music, a discussion on the declining interest in jazz, a series on the history of guitar players/playing and an interview with one of my favorite contemporary
musicians Derek Trucks which is one of the best music interviews I’ve seen:
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Oh no you misunderstood, I only made those comments to p*ss off the couple of posters who are overly emotional that someone said FF were the better band. You are correct that those comments had nothing to do with the music👍
Trucks is gifted and has worked hard at becoming a great player. He really embodies everything you want in a musician , completely all about the music and not the “rock star” BS. He has taken electric slide guitar to places it has never gone and can also play great standardly with his finger picking. Regarding the song Layla , Eric Clapton gets all the credit for that but Allman created the famous lick (taken from an Albert King vocal line on one of his songs) and his slide playing on the outro of that iconic song is some of the most beautiful stuff in rock history.
Tom Petty’s music catalogue is one of the best in rock. He was a fantastic songwriter and his band was outstanding. I always get a kick out of people who cite a type of music as “simple”, usually they would not play it well. It’s not easy to get things just right. Sometimes I hear people who only listen and play rock , say traditional blues is “simple, minor pentatonic, same chord progressions,” blah, blah,blah. Yet when they play it , they sound and play like crap.
Great post. I’ll add that a lot of early Delta blues and Chicago blues guys (e.g.,Robert Johnson) used open A, open E, open D. And G, and other alternate tunings very frequently, and often tuned down 1/2 step. Many rock and blues,riffs stemmed from these roots.I leave my guitar tuned to Drop D (DADGBe) . If you assume EADGBe as "standard" tuning, any tuning where strings are tuned lower is "down tuned". Drop D makes playing power chords on the low strings easier.
Most modern metal bands play in even lower tunes...Drop A being common for the heaviest bands.
Like I said before, happy to stop by your tailgate with my acoustic, bring a 12 pack from a fantastic local brewery near me for you all, and play both one after the other quickly showing the subtle differences… I’ll do it for Polly as well👍
