Once the multisport facilities are complete, giving RU Wrestling some of the top practice facilities in the nation, I firmly believe we will shave the gap between us and the elite programs quickly.
OT: Rutgers Wrestling Needs Your Help - Battle at the Birthplace 11/19/16
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Beef in a wrestling post. I see what you did there.
On a side note, saying that 90% of MMA fighters have a wrestling or grappling background is sorta dumb. That catches all of the disciplines that encompass MMA, except for American boxing and Muay Thai.
It's like saying that 90% of baseball players come from a background of hitting and playing catch.
it will have limited impact because facilities aren't as important in wrestling as other sports. Weather the new facility is on par with the top facilities remains to be seen depending on how the build out goes. Get the program fully funded will have a bigger impact. A kid not going to pay more to go to Rutgers because of the facility. The biggest thing holding Rutgers back is failing to produce at NCAA championships. Kids want to become champions and Rutgers wrestlers routinely underachieve at nationals. They need to have a champion or have guys who all American out of nowhere. That and money will have a far bigger impact then the new facility.
We could conceivably have as many as 4 AAs this season. I think that would qualify in your opinion as well, don't you?
I can't disagree with anything you said here. Wrestlers are notoriously Blue Collar and can do without many of the amenities some other sports have. That being said practicing in the basement of the 85 year old gym is not exactly ideal either.
Scholarship wise, Rutgers is Fully Funded so that is not an issue. Rutgers in the next couple years, if everything keeps going the way it does, can become revenue neutral or even positive. To thing that only 10 years ago this program was not fully funded, and had issues keeping talet home is amazing. The Athletics Department sees the potential in this with the 1200+ Season Ticket holder base, and the recent addition of Wrestling into Priority Points Structure could also boost season ticket sales as their are many crossover fans.
In terms of revenue, Wrestling is only running about $500,000 deficit according to a NJ.com article I read, which is 5th behind only Football and Basketball which are revenue neutral or in the black, and the 2 Golf Programs who have smaller budgets, but when combined have a larger total Deficit.
My estimated guess is as the season ticket base grows and the team continues to bring in homegrown talent, Rutgers will get that Iowa effect and State Pride in Wrestling ( One of NJ's Premier High School Sports).
I would love to see the average attendance at the RAC top 3300 a match (last Season was 2874).
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I don't think that's accurate, as I thought we're only fully funded for 9.9 schollies at in-state rates & even that's very recent, maybe the past 2-3-4 seasons. @wngarbarini can confirm
Pretty sure football is in the black by about $6 million. Maybe not after this year :)
You may be right, as far as in-state is concerned, I was talking more so about having 9.9 ( The NCAA Limit for Wrestling) as opposed what we had in the no so distant past.
Right but not fully funding shollies at OOS rates is a huge disadvantage. It's a miracle we've done as well as we have with such limited resources as we barely just started fully funding 9.9 in-state & need to fully fund at OOS rates & more $ for SKWC coaches.
Wait, you didn't hear that the RU dance team will be jello wrestling vs Pen St?
That was added to the card per Hobbs' email.
The reason this is working is because it is being done systematically and building slowly. the reason Wrestling is doing so well is because IMO you could Probably put a top 10-15 team out annually with just NJ talent. 23 of the 30 (24 if you count Mulligan who is from NY but went to school in NJ) wrestlers in the room are from NJ including 8/9 starters.
I agree that it would be beneficial to be able to add funding for all 9.9 at an Out of State Level , but realistically it, again IMO, is not needed for Rutgers and their fertile Recru ting grounds. Having the ability to fund 2-3 OOS scholarships and spreading that money around to multiple oos athletes is probably all that is needed for Rutgers to stay and win at a high level.
For comparison At Penn State, who is the Gold Standard in Wrestling right now, 19 of their 35 Wrestlers are from PA and 7 of their projected 10 starters are also from PA
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It looks like only sections 108-123 are for sale. I assume that means the mats will be located in the North Endzone. Is that a safe assumption?, anyone see a picture of where it will be located within the stadium?, I assume there's no Club seats for the event since that might be a little to far from the mats other than maybe the 1st couple of sections near that side of the endzone? Any insight is much appreciated. I'm looking to go, but just wanna know some details before I select a section. Also, if they get enough people in sections 108-123, will they start to open sections 107 and 124?
I disagree. More OOS $ would help speed up our ascent.
The mat will be centered in the north end zone in front of the goalpost.
To build on this, ~23% of wrestlers who have qualified for NCAAs in the last two years were from the state of Pennsylvania. Think about that. I believe NJ was tied for third (IL) behind 2nd place Ohio. When it comes to producing elite wrestling talent, PA, OH and NJ are like FL, TX and CA in football.
Here you go...towards the bottom (qualifiers by state):
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/40254-by-the-numbers-2016-ncaa-s
Sooo not true... Not having enough $$ cost us McFadden who VaTech offered full ride to...We need to get the additional $$ into the program if we really want to be an ELITE program...
Excellent points......This is why I think if you take maybe 3-4 fully funded Out of state scholarships and spread it out 5-7 guys from PA, OH and NY you can have a killer team.
McFadden is an in state kid, so how could out of state scholorship money have helped. Seems like you are cherry picking a specific kids to prove a point.
Wrestling is not a per person scholorship sport. The 9.9 scholarships can be split up, no inside knowledge, but maybe Rutgers decided instead to split his one scholarship up for depth purposes and not offer a full to one guy knowing what was down the line (Grello).
Worked out pretty well thus far as, Imo, this is the deepest this team has ever been. With the exception of at 197 and Hwt we are pretty solid. I actually think Grello is will work out better at the end of their careers depending on where he ends up 165/174.
Im fully aware of how it works...And no, we wanted him bad...But it came down to scholly money....Very simple math...Vatech gave him full ride... we didn't have $$ to give 100%.....Basically we have 1/3 less $$ to go around.... So even though it woulda been in state rate...we didn't have the $$ to give him full ride... And until we are able to get OOS rate for schollies...(which won't happen till we get full share of B1G revenue due to title 9 restrictions). We are at a handicap trying to compete with the PSU's, VaTechs, and Ohio St's.....Which on the other hand makes the job Goodale & staff have done here utterly amazing....
And to explain how money is disbursed.... not using actual $#'s...But 9.9 schollies at out of state rate would be like $300k to spread around...But because were only funded at in state rate. We only have $200k or so to disburse.....That's a huge difference....
Jerzey devil, that is not totally correct. Use 10 scholarships(for easier math) and say RU is 10K for in state and 20K for out of state(for math purposes). If RU is fully funded, yes they would have $200K in the bank...However, they cannot offer 20 NJ residents a full ride(which would be 200K). The scholarships are equalized. It is a disadvantage for out of state wrestlers, because RU only has 100K to offer(again math purposes). They can offer an out of state kid a full ride, but it takes up 20K out of the 100K. That would leave 80K in the bank. Another way to look at it since a full ride is not that common. If you offer an out of state kid a 60% scholly he gets 12K toward the 20K tuition, a NJ kid would get 6K towards the 10K in state tuition. In the eyes of the NCAA, both kids are getting a 60% scholly(so you have used up 1.2 schollys out of the 9.9).
Apologize if what I wrote is what you said, but I have posted this about 10 times on the wrestling board, for posters who think you can just spend all the out of state $$$
Where's the poster that always tells us wrestling won't be successful at RU and is a "dying sport"?
#5 in the nation in attendance last year:
http://www.scarletknights.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/092216aab.html
#5 in the nation in attendance last year:
http://www.scarletknights.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/092216aab.html
For those of you who were asking about parking.
Battle at the Birthplace Parking
- If you have football season parking and are staying for the full day: park in your lot
- If you have football season parking and want to leave and come back: park at the RAC for free by showing your lot pass then use the lot pass later at your assigned football parking lot
- If you are just attending the wrestling match: park at the RAC for $20 and get bussed to the stadium and back
Battle at the Birthplace Parking
