OT: SpaceX Starship Launch & Booster Capture - Truly Amazing

[ashokan]

I wonder what these guys would be saying if he supported the other candidate.

I never knew what he was politically but his girlfriends were often artists of some kind so I figured he was probably like them
When I first heard of him and his grants harvesting, I supposed maybe he was a grifter.
I never cared about the electric cars but when I saw the rockets I saw him as a boss and didn't what his politics were.
I was the same way with James Cameron who I saw as very talented innovator.

As a major player economically, Musk saw the damage being done with intention - and he felt pushed to the edge.
He warned people not to do to Austin what they did to San Fran
His mother's friends were also punched in the face in NYC (like Gov Paterson) and she left the blue team because of it.
A lot of people voting red were blue by tradition but gave-up after all the damage.
RFK, Tusli, Musk and others see the cliff coming and dont want to go over it.

The people in DC aren't really traditional to any party except superficially.
Many DT voters hate traditional GOP
I used to be blue and hope the party can be rescued tbh

 

[SkilletHead2]

Well.. Yes, physics is science and I suppose Space X is largely physics.. but the idea is that the Musk skill his business relies upon for its core is not his scientific prowess. Musk doesn't do the research.. the science.. behind all his businesses. Other people do that. But Musk's physics background helps him figure out what's possible.. what's profitable.. and sets the goals of his businesses accordingly. That's how I see it anyway.

I would agree with that take. He has a BA in physics, and probably not enough real "physics smarts" to be a physicist, but he combines a decent background in that area with good business acumen, and a very bold and imaginative personality. And, and this is key, he got lucky a couple of times. He has parlayed that into a gazillion bucks, and more power to him. On the other hand, because he has been incredibly successful at one thing, he thinks he knows everything about everything. In that regard, he is remarkably similar to many physicists I know (and through no credit of mine own, I know a bunch of high-level physicists). (Sheldon is only a modest exaggeration.)

Musk's support of Trump makes perfect sense. It lets him be a player.

 

[Ty Webb]

All communications companies seem to skimp on meeting the goals used to give them tax breaks. Verizon certainly did with FIOS roll-out in NJ... just stopped doing it. They got concessions to roll it out everywhere in Jersey.. set up limited measurements for their milestones.. no doubt allowed by friendly politicians/bureaucrats.. then got further concessions and stopped rolling it out preferring to charge mobile users more for data while cashing in their tax benefits.


"Here's a shocker In 2020, Space X was awarded almost $900 million in rural broadband subsidies from the FCC under Trump. But in 2022, the FCC rescinded that funding because Space X had failed to meet its burden."

Oh.. let's see.. what changed between 2020 and 2022? Surely no politics were involved in deciding that "Space X failed to meet its burden".. right? STORY LINK hint: Musk bought Twitter in 2022

FWIW, I know someone who was involved in this from the Space X side............... he admitted they kind of dropped the ball on this. But the attitude was that the government had given them wide latitude in the past for various things when they didn't deliver as promised but this time, the FCC just shut them down. So I am guessing given his Twitter exploits, the FCC decided then was the time to not give him the latitude he had been given in the past.

 

[Ty Webb]

Musk argued AGAINST government subsidies for rural broadband. Said he'd do it anyway.. and in a way that paid for itself. But if others would get the contract he might as well apply for it.. and he won it. Then, after he became an enemy of the DNC state by buying twitter and not suppressing free speech with which the DNC disagreed.. then, suddenly, 3 of the 5 FCC board decides they can look at the 2025 milestones for "progress" and apply them in 2022 to cut off Musk's contract.

And yet, Hurricane Helene comes along in 2024 and it is Musk's Starlink that provides the rural broadband they now rely upon.

Same for the government contract to carry astronauts to the space station.. Boeing gets twice the money that Space X did.. yet Space X had to bring Boeing's passengers back.

At what point do even Musk-haters have to admit that Musk gives VALUE to the government for the government money he gets while others... well, they probably give Dem politicians, and their friends and family, "value".

Small detail with that Musk hurricane thing. Yes, he offered free internet but it was free for 30 days and you were then automatically signed up for a $120 subscription per month. Further, it appears you also had to pay $350 for the unit.

No, Starlink isn't actually 'free' for Hurricane Helene victims

It's basically a 30-day free trial.

mashable.com

Musk is a genius and what he's doing at Space X is great and awesome. But he's an opportunist and he's always looked for ways to exploit the system whether he was funding left leaning or now right leaning iniaitives. Frankly, I wish people like him would stay out of poitics altogether and focus on what they do best, which in this case, is advancing technologies - EVs, space travel, etc.

 

[pmvon]

Those who can't separate politics from Musk's accomplishments are the ones that need that long look in the mirror. They're the problem; not Musk.

lol it’s the opposite. You guys are so blind you can’t see it.

Musk is who he is. Brilliant but letting his politics get in the way of his business. He should run his businesses and stay out of politics. He could throw an endorsement out there like other CEOs but by being so vocal he is alienating half of the consumer base. And depending who gets elected in November, he may or may not have a friendly Washington for STARLINK and spacex. California pushing back on launches etc. I wish he would focus on the science and running a business that optimizes shareholder value.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

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Musk's support of Trump makes perfect sense. It lets him be a player.

You know.. that raises a question in my mind. Did Musk support Trump BEFORE he got cancelled for buying Twitter and talking about free speech? Has the left canceling Musk been what has driven him to Trump? All because he puts the Consitution and Free Speech over and above loyalty to the Dems and censoring opposition?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

lol it’s the opposite. You guys are so blind you can’t see it.

Musk is who he is. Brilliant but letting his politics get in the way of his business. He should run his businesses and stay out of politics. He could throw an endorsement out there like other CEOs but by being so vocal he is alienating half of the consumer base. And depending who gets elected in November, he may or may not have a friendly Washington for STARLINK and spacex. California pushing back on launches etc. I wish he would focus on the science and running a business that optimizes shareholder value.

You miss why and how Musk got canceled and "alienated" half teh customer base. he stood up for free speech. How dare he!

 

[SkilletHead2]

You know.. that raises a question in my mind. Did Musk support Trump BEFORE he got cancelled for buying Twitter and talking about free speech? Has the left canceling Musk been what has driven him to Trump? All because he puts the Consitution and Free Speech over and above loyalty to the Dems and censoring opposition?

Don't know but I do know he censors the heck out of left-wing posters now. He's not for free speech. He's for his speech.

 

[RUnTime]

Elon endorses Trump. Smart guy

 

[T2Kplus20]

Don't know but I do know he censors the heck out of left-wing posters now. He's not for free speech. He's for his speech.

Just trying to balance out Facebook and the MSM.

 

[RUnTime]

Zuckerberg says he will not interfere with the 2024 election

Not to be believed

 

[RUnTime]

This seems like it should be bigger news?

What normally happens to the boosters if they are not caught?

It’s a Elon Musk Company. TDS news has him canceled

 

[SkilletHead2]

Just trying to balance out Facebook and the MSM.

And they are all entitled to do so.

 

[RUnTime]

And they are all entitled to do so.

Yeah we see it in the msm everyday

 

[SkilletHead2]

Yeah we see it in the msm everyday

See what?

 

[Jerseylegends]

It’s a Elon Musk Company. TDS news has him canceled

Why do you think it should be bigger news? Honest question..

 

[Jerseylegends]

I never knew what he was politically but his girlfriends were often artists of some kind so I figured he was probably like them
When I first heard of him and his grants harvesting, I supposed maybe he was a grifter.
I never cared about the electric cars but when I saw the rockets I saw him as a boss and didn't what his politics were.
I was the same way with James Cameron who I saw as very talented innovator.

As a major player economically, Musk saw the damage being done with intention - and he felt pushed to the edge.
He warned people not to do to Austin what they did to San Fran
His mother's friends were also punched in the face in NYC (like Gov Paterson) and she left the blue team because of it.
A lot of people voting red were blue by tradition but gave-up after all the damage.
RFK, Tusli, Musk and others see the cliff coming and dont want to go over it.

The people in DC aren't really traditional to any party except superficially.
Many DT voters hate traditional GOP
I used to be blue and hope the party can be rescued tbh

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Elon musk doesn't care about any of this lol he's simply using capitalizing on the feelings of Americans to support Tesla stock price. Company has never made a profit but pushing a trillion dollar valuation, it's all marketing just like his initiative to colonize Mars...if SpaceX goes public the stock will do well not because of the potential to make money but because of posts like this on social media...

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Elon musk doesn't care about any of this lol he's simply using capitalizing on the feelings of Americans to support Tesla stock price. Company has never made a profit but pushing a trillion dollar valuation, it's all marketing just like his initiative to colonize Mars...if SpaceX goes public the stock will do well not because of the potential to make money but because of posts like this on social media...

Tesla is profitable…

How Much Profit is Hiding Within Tesla's Enormous $78 Billion in Automotive Revenue?

Tesla's electric vehicles continue to fall in price, and here's how it's affecting the company's bottom line.

finance.yahoo.com

 

[Jerseylegends]

Tesla is profitable…

How Much Profit is Hiding Within Tesla's Enormous $78 Billion in Automotive Revenue?

Tesla's electric vehicles continue to fall in price, and here's how it's affecting the company's bottom line.

finance.yahoo.com

They've done some gymnastics in recent years to become profitable. Ironically it's government subsidies that have helped the company reach profitability in 2020...before that they operated at a loss... without the government Tesla is not profitable. Again nothing justifying a trillion dollar valuation. This is why you see Elon musk wearing cowboy hats and sweat stained trucker hats as if he's "one of the guys"...he's a good marketer...

 

[Jerseylegends]

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/how-government-programs-help-fuel-tesla-profit-c9887cdf

 

[Jerseylegends]

https://qz.com/over-half-of-teslas-...mount of,the development of electric vehicles.

 

[Jerseylegends]

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/s/X13kr6Tggk

 

[Jerseylegends]

It's all a game and he's playing it well lol...he's from South Africa by the way...

 

[letitrip2]

It's all a game and he's playing it well lol...he's from South Africa by the way...

You have TDS and since you don't even know you have it I actually feel bad for you. Anything the mainstream media publishes about Tesla needs to be researched and the vast majority of it is easily debunked. They hate him not only because of his slightly conservative leanings but because he is cutting into their business.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

They've done some gymnastics in recent years to become profitable. Ironically it's government subsidies that have helped the company reach profitability in 2020...before that they operated at a loss... without the government Tesla is not profitable. Again nothing justifying a trillion dollar valuation. This is why you see Elon musk wearing cowboy hats and sweat stained trucker hats as if he's "one of the guys"...he's a good marketer...

Similar to the gymnastics you’re doing saying they’re not profitable, they’re profitable but not profitable, they’re profitable 😂

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

lol it’s the opposite. You guys are so blind you can’t see it.

Musk is who he is. Brilliant but letting his politics get in the way of his business. He should run his businesses and stay out of politics. He could throw an endorsement out there like other CEOs but by being so vocal he is alienating half of the consumer base. And depending who gets elected in November, he may or may not have a friendly Washington for STARLINK and spacex. California pushing back on launches etc. I wish he would focus on the science and running a business that optimizes shareholder value.

Your entire post is you telling Musk what he should and shouldn't do. Who's blind? There's a lot of that in this thread.

And you don't seem to know how our government is supposed to function either. Government contracts and environmental permitting are issued based on the quality of the product, the price, and the safety. The CCC restricting SpaceX launches is in direct violation of their duty. They're not restricting SpaceX launches because of safety. They're restricting launches because "Elon bad". Musk will sue them for violating his first amendment rights, and he will win. FCC did the same thing with Starlink and rural broadband.

Maybe you want America to turn into a banana republic (it's already happening), but those of us who respect the constitution do not. Freedom of speech is always the first domino to fall on the path to totalitarianism, and those who want to censor are never the good guys.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Don't know but I do know he censors the heck out of left-wing posters now. He's not for free speech. He's for his speech.

That is not true.

My X feed proves differently. I get so much crap from an account called Kamala_Wins that is outrageous.. no way he is censoring the left.

But I can see why the left would say that. It's just another hoax.

 

[pmvon]

Your entire post is you telling Musk what he should and shouldn't do. Who's blind? There's a lot of that in this thread.

And you don't seem to know how our government is supposed to function either. Government contracts and environmental permitting are issued based on the quality of the product, the price, and the safety. The CCC restricting SpaceX launches is in direct violation of their duty. They're not restricting SpaceX launches because of safety. They're restricting launches because "Elon bad". Musk will sue them for violating his first amendment rights, and he will win. FCC did the same thing with Starlink and rural broadband.

Maybe you want America to turn into a banana republic (it's already happening), but those of us who respect the constitution do not. Freedom of speech is always the first domino to fall on the path to totalitarianism, and those who want to censor are never the good guys.

He has a fiduciary duty to his shareholders which he is playing loose with. I appreciate what laws there are to protect from political interference but the path can be bumpy and who knows how competitive forces could be turned against him. That being said, it’s a free country and he can do and say what he wants (within the law). So his businesses will be impacted accordingly. The other side would say he’s pandering to authoritarian who wants to do away with a lot of rights. So he is part of the banana republic.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

FWIW, I know someone who was involved in this from the Space X side............... he admitted they kind of dropped the ball on this. But the attitude was that the government had given them wide latitude in the past for various things when they didn't deliver as promised but this time, the FCC just shut them down. So I am guessing given his Twitter exploits, the FCC decided then was the time to not give him the latitude he had been given in the past.

Do I need to post an interview video with Musk where he says teh exact opposite of what you say he "admitted"? Why does this happen so often.. people stating facts that are simply not true?

Here ya go.. news report..

 

[Jerseylegends]

Similar to the gymnastics you’re doing saying they’re not profitable, they’re profitable but not profitable, they’re profitable 😂

I mean ok...I've been following Tesla stock for years...made good money off of it...Tesla is not a profitable company without government intervention...those cars suck lol....I'm sure the 20,000 dollar robots will change that though...those robots suck as well by the way....

 

[Jerseylegends]

You have TDS and since you don't even know you have it I actually feel bad for you. Anything the mainstream media publishes about Tesla needs to be researched and the vast majority of it is easily debunked. They hate him not only because of his slightly conservative leanings but because he is cutting into their business.

Listen, I like to make money off of stocks. If youve been following Tesla you would know what I'm saying is true, Tesla has never been profitable, it's actually kuyos to him for getting Tesla to a trillion dollar valuation but to say Elon musk is some technological genius is actually you buying into whatever media outlet you subscribe to. As I assume you don't consider where you get your information from to be mainstream...I follow the money and it doesn't lie...

 

[Jerseylegends]

https://www.statista.com/statistics...the first time,and development (R&D) expenses.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

I mean ok...I've been following Tesla stock for years...made good money off of it...Tesla is not a profitable company without government intervention...those cars suck lol....I'm sure the 20,000 dollar robots will change that though...those robots suck as well by the way....

So you agree it’s a profitable company. Glad you corrected your mistake

 

[Jerseylegends]

So you agree it’s a profitable company. Glad you corrected your mistake

The stock has definitely been profitable for me and many others the actual products they produce are not.

 

[Jerseylegends]

Listen, it's my fault for even interrupting the Elon slurp fest you guys are having...I guess I was basically being a troll here because I thought the thread was funny.. apologies, enjoy lol

 

[letitrip2]

Listen, I like to make money off of stocks. If youve been following Tesla you would know what I'm saying is true, Tesla has never been profitable, it's actually kuyos to him for getting Tesla to a trillion dollar valuation but to say Elon musk is some technological genius is actually you buying into whatever media outlet you subscribe to. As I assume you don't consider where you get your information from to be mainstream...I follow the money and it doesn't lie...

Listen, I like to make money off of stocks. If youve been following Tesla you would know what I'm saying is true, Tesla has never been profitable, it's actually kuyos to him for getting Tesla to a trillion dollar valuation but to say Elon musk is some technological genius is actually you buying into whatever media outlet you subscribe to. As I assume you don't consider where you get your information from to be mainstream...I follow the money and it doesn't lie...

Listen, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. So put your mask on and stay inside. The pandemic is still raging.

 

[SkilletHead2]

That is not true.

My X feed proves differently. I get so much crap from an account called Kamala_Wins that is outrageous.. no way he is censoring the left.

But I can see why the left would say that. It's just another hoax.

Do you see the tons of people from the left complaining that their posts have been deleted? It's a pretty much continuous flow. The fact that not everything is taken off doesn't mean that a lot is taken off.

 

[ashokan]

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[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

He has a fiduciary duty to his shareholders which he is playing loose with. I appreciate what laws there are to protect from political interference but the path can be bumpy and who knows how competitive forces could be turned against him. That being said, it’s a free country and he can do and say what he wants (within the law). So his businesses will be impacted accordingly. The other side would say he’s pandering to authoritarian who wants to do away with a lot of rights. So he is part of the banana republic.

Now you're advocating for SpaceX shareholders. A world class Karen indeed.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Do you see the tons of people from the left complaining that their posts have been deleted? It's a pretty much continuous flow. The fact that not everything is taken off doesn't mean that a lot is taken off.

Are you unaware that a lot of posts disappear because of indexing issues and that political leanings of the posts have nothing to do with it? And this was the case even before Musk bought twitter? I suppose back then, conservatives would assume they were being censored and now that Musk bought it teh other side is complaining more... assuming censoring.

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