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Chicken littles love their FUD. Let's see if they rule the day. Pfizer insiders seem to be thinking the opposite (boosted vaccines will be fine and the new variant is less severe, just like Delta).
The market is down because of this exact quote:

"“I think it’s going to be a material drop (in efficacy). I just don’t know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I’ve talked to . . . are like, ‘This is not going to be good’.”

I mean who says that as a CEO at the helm of handling a major pandemic? That last sentence reads like a Trump quote.
 
It's been channeling for a bit and just around the 200 DMA but I don't get the feel it's going to breakout above it and more likely to break down but who knows. I think 145-150ish area give or take isn't a bad area. That would be about a 30% drop off the highs and about another 20% drop from yesterday's close. Of course it also depends on the overall market too like anything else.
Bought a little DIS this morning. Still think it could go down a little more but I think there's some support in this area like I said so I'm good dipping a toe in. If it goes down more I'll add...lower 120s give or take is another area I think there's some support.
 
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The market is down because of this exact quote:

"“I think it’s going to be a material drop (in efficacy). I just don’t know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I’ve talked to . . . are like, ‘This is not going to be good’.”

I mean who says that as a CEO at the helm of handling a major pandemic? That last sentence reads like a Trump quote.
WTF!!!
 
The market is down because of this exact quote:

"“I think it’s going to be a material drop (in efficacy). I just don’t know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I’ve talked to . . . are like, ‘This is not going to be good’.”

I mean who says that as a CEO at the helm of handling a major pandemic? That last sentence reads like a Trump quote.
It may have been the catalyst that sparked the downturn, but I think the market will be volatile until prices somewhat normalize. In my opinion, valuations are still stretched for many stocks that make up the major indices. I’m not predicting a significant drop as it’s impossible to estimate when the party will be over. But I wouldn’t be shocked if we have a 10 to 20% correction in the next 9 months. Call me a little bear or chicken little, but I just don’t believe the prices of many of the high flyers are justified. I have a sizable stock and fund portfolio, but my expectations are muted and I have built up my % of cash. I am not trying to influence anyone, but do suggest you do your homework when making investment decisions. Experts suggest a long term approach to investing, (limited buying and selling and tying to time the market) and I don’t disagree with that philosophy……, but I plan to be careful when buying any dip, as there could be better opportunities later.
 
It may have been the catalyst that sparked the downturn, but I think the market will be volatile until prices somewhat normalize. In my opinion, valuations are still stretched for many stocks that make up the major indices. I’m not predicting a significant drop as it’s impossible to estimate when the party will be over. But I wouldn’t be shocked if we have a 10 to 20% correction in the next 9 months. Call me a little bear or chicken little, but I just don’t believe the prices of many of the high flyers are justified. I have a sizable stock and fund portfolio, but my expectations are muted and I have built up my % of cash. I am not trying to influence anyone, but do suggest you do your homework when making investment decisions. Experts suggest a long term approach to investing, (limited buying and selling and tying to time the market) and I don’t disagree with that philosophy……, but I plan to be careful when buying any dip, as there could be better opportunities later.
LOL - could set my watch to you posting around now. :)

As I mentioned above, the party will be over when the Fed raises rate 2-3%. A few quarter points won't dent the market. Other than equities, there is no other place for legit long-term returns for the vast majority of people. It is either invest or put your cash under the proverbial mattress and watch it lose its value.

People has been talking about this 10-20% correction for years. I believe since 2014. See my sig below. Be care with being too much of a bear:
 
LOL - could set my watch to you posting around now. :)

As I mentioned above, the party will be over when the Fed raises rate 2-3%. A few quarter points won't dent the market. Other than equities, there is no other place for legit long-term returns for the vast majority of people. It is either invest or put your cash under the proverbial mattress and watch it lose its value.

People has been talking about this 10-20% correction for years. I believe since 2014. See my sig below. Be care with being too much of a bear:
More than 50% of the S&P 500 stocks are more than 10% below their high and many down more than 20%…. But the indexes are only down a few percent. That means a minority of the stocks are holding up the market. Bottom line is that the decline in prices for many stocks is hard evidence that prices ran too far too fast… but why focus on the facts
 
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More than 50% of the S&P 500 stocks are more than 10% below their high and many down more than 20%…. But the indexes are only down a few percent. That means a minority of the stocks are holding up the market. Bottom line is that the decline in prices for many stocks is hard evidence that prices ran too fast too far….. but why focus on the facts
The facts are.....those big companies "holding up" the market are CRUSHING it and will continue to do so in the years ahead. But why focus on earnings?

Stick with the quality names/indexes and you will be fine. Buy the dip and if the chicken littles tank the market, buy like crazy. Earnings will keep getting better and better and better for the big boys.
 
The facts are.....those big companies "holding up" the market are CRUSHING it and will continue to do so in the years ahead. But why focus on earnings?

Stick with the quality names/indexes and you will be fine. Buy the dip and if the chicken littles tank the market, buy like crazy. Earnings will keep getting better and better and better for the big boys.
Agree with the comment on the high quality companies
 
Agree with the comment on the high quality companies
+1
Now is not the time to venture too far into the spec world. Sure, I have a few more aggressive plays, but about 95% of our retirement investments (not including my crypto account) is pretty straightforward. Definitely overweighed on growth and tech, but even with tech it is focused on bellwethers and what I consider "value tech".
 
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The following are a couple of paragraphs from an article that was posted on CNBC a couple of hours ago. Written by Stephanie Landsman

‘Way overdue for a correction’: Long-time bull Jim Paulsen delivers a 10% to 15% pullback forecast​

The Leuthold Group’s Jim Paulsen predicts a 10% to 15% pullback will rattle investors next year due to high valuations and less accommodative Federal Reserve policies.

“We are way overdue for a correction, and we’re going to get one,” the firm’s chief investment strategist told CNBC’s “Trading Nation” on Tuesday. “I would be trying to diversify away from the S&P 500, which I think might take the brunt of it.”
 
The following are a couple of paragraphs from an article that was posted on CNBC a couple of hours ago. Written by Stephanie Landsman

‘Way overdue for a correction’: Long-time bull Jim Paulsen delivers a 10% to 15% pullback forecast​

The Leuthold Group’s Jim Paulsen predicts a 10% to 15% pullback will rattle investors next year due to high valuations and less accommodative Federal Reserve policies.

“We are way overdue for a correction, and we’re going to get one,” the firm’s chief investment strategist told CNBC’s “Trading Nation” on Tuesday. “I would be trying to diversify away from the S&P 500, which I think might take the brunt of it.”
Can’t say I totally disagree, but at least he’s consistent. We are overdue for a 10-15 % correction because he called for the same thing in May.
 
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Can’t say I totally disagree, but at least he’s consistent. We are overdue for a 10-15 % correction because he called for the same thing in May.
If you took his advice in May you would be underwater even if there is that 10-15% correction! LOL.

See sig below:
 
Can’t say I totally disagree, but at least he’s consistent. We are overdue for a 10-15 % correction because he called for the same thing in May.
There are plenty of stocks already down 10% with just a few big names keeping the indexes afloat recently.

Anyone like Salesforce (CRM) dip on weak earnings?
 
If you took his advice in May you would be underwater even if there is that 10-15% correction! LOL.

See sig below:

What if I took people's advice and bought HOOD on the first day of trading? GME at $425? Actually I recently bought a January HOOD put which was out of the money at time of purchase. Up 120% thus far and I'm hoping to hold until the New Year and push the tax hit into 2022. but will close if the gain slides to 50%.
 
I like CRWD more, has at least 50% upside.
CRM looking pretty pricey at 50x P/E. P/S or 11x.

CRWD has just gone green in the past year and has a P/E of 450(ish)x, and a P/S of 50x.

CRWD is one of those stratosphere valuations stocks. Fantastic growth, def better then CRM, but it is very expensive relative to an expensive market.
 
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Cramer talking up PYPL.

Also says "the Credit Card revenge moment is now".
I’m interested in PYPL. It’s gone as low as 180 and bounced off for now but I’d like it around 170 area.

There are plenty of stocks already down 10% with just a few big names keeping the indexes afloat recently.

Anyone like Salesforce (CRM) dip on weak earnings?
Like it better if it goes to 240 area.

As always also depends on what’s going on in the market at that time.
 
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I’m interested in PYPL. It’s gone as low as 180 and bounced off for now but I’d like it around 170 area.


Like it better if it goes to 240 area.

As always also depends on what’s going on in the market at that time.
CRM's fair market value (via Morningstar, which is pretty conservative) is $320. Lots of room to run for the company!
 
CRM's fair market value (via Morningstar, which is pretty conservative) is $320. Lots of room to run for the company!
Yea there is some some support in the 260s but I’m a conservative type and I like all the cushion I can get lol and things can always go lower than my targets too. So I have to be ready for that and have cash to buy more if necessary as well.
 
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Yea there is some some support in the 260s but I’m a conservative type and I like all the cushion I can get lol and things can always go lower than my targets too. So I have to be ready for that and have cash to buy more if necessary as well.
CRM is one of the stocks I bought in early March, during the first tech rotation. I think around $208. First time I have ever bought actual stocks! I'm still holding onto 12 for the long-term. Otherwise, I remain a fund/ETF guy. :)
 
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U do realize you are way more focused on TSLA then the "Teslaratti".

Not when I see it getting an early market report on Squawk Box. And more focused than the Teslaratti? Maybe I should post a picture showing I don't have any tattoos on my face.
 
He's just mad that he didn't buy and missed out.

I made 50% last month on an out of the money Tesla put after Elon started trolling Congress and selling stock. It's a real company, just way ahead of where it should be with respect to price. When it reaches insanity stages I react.
 
I made 50% last month on an out of the money Tesla put after Elon started trolling Congress and selling stock. It's a real company, just way ahead of where it should be with respect to price. When it reaches insanity stages I react.
50% of crumbs is still crumbs. If you just bought and held you would have made real gains.
 
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Not when I see it getting an early market report on Squawk Box. And more focused than the Teslaratti? Maybe I should post a picture showing I don't have any tattoos on my face.
So you are responding to the internet at large in this thread?
 
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So you are responding to the internet at large in this thread?
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So you are responding to the internet at large in this thread?
BTW, any thoughts on SQ? The price has come down a bit and it seems like they are going to increase their focus/exposure of the crypto market. If it drops below $200, I may have to buy (as part of my crypto account).
 
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BTW, any thoughts on SQ? The price has come down a bit and it seems like they are going to increase their focus/exposure of the crypto market. If it drops below $200, I may have to buy (as part of my crypto account).
Welp the concerns are the valuations, even after this pull back, are still high, and the growing competition getting into the spaces.

I'm in(and way down in) PYPL, and I'm wary of adding more exposure in the space.

But I'm watching it.
 
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Welp the concerns are the valuations, even after this pull back, are still high, and the growing competition getting into the spaces.

I'm in(and way down in) PYPL, and I'm wary of adding more exposure in the space.

But I'm watching it.
PYPL kicking my butt too. The Pinterest fiasco was mind-boggling but I never expected to be down 15%. I would like to see them push Affirm harder because PYPL has the juice to own the buy-now-pay-later space.
 
Welp the concerns are the valuations, even after this pull back, are still high, and the growing competition getting into the spaces.

I'm in(and way down in) PYPL, and I'm wary of adding more exposure in the space.

But I'm watching it.
That's why I'm staying patient and waiting. Like I said I'm conservative...don't have FOMO. If I miss out, so be it. Move on to the next thing.
 
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That's why I'm staying patient and waiting. Like I said I'm conservative...don't have FOMO. If I miss out, so be it. Move on to the next thing.
I did leave room to add to PYPL, so I probably will look to add a little more.

But starting another position? I own a bunch of different financial positions, not just fintechs, but COF, and the banks as well. If I owned less, I think SQ would look more attractive to me.
 
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PYPL kicking my butt too. The Pinterest fiasco was mind-boggling but I never expected to be down 15%. I would like to see them push Affirm harder because PYPL has the juice to own the buy-now-pay-later space.
Kicking my butt as well, but just losing gains as my cost basis is only $79 (still up 135%, but was up 280% at one point). I am looking to buy back, but I am concerned with the competition. I did sell 1/3 of my shares at $204 and 1/3 $246, on the way up as the price was getting high. I never have a problem locking in a gain. As Cramer says, bulls win, bears win and hogs get slaughtered.
 
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