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How much longer will the rally last?
Overall? Since stocks go up over time, it will last forever. :)

As for this current few day trend, this is a quiet period for economic news. Next jobs report on 4/1. Following week is the next CPI report, so the market has room to relax for a bit. Obviously, Putin can go Putin, but there can be a settlement as well.....who knows.
 
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After sizzling rebound, investors weigh whether stocks have more bounce
BY LEWIS KRAUSKOPF, REUTERS - 9:01 PM ET 3/18/2022

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Wall Street stormed back this week after absorbing a long-awaited rate hike from the Federal Reserve, leaving investors to determine whether stocks are set for a sustained rebound or more turbulence.

Following a months-long drubbing, the S&P 500 delivered its best weekly gain since November 2020 as investors cheered increased clarity on monetary policy and an encouraging assessment of the U.S. economy from the Fed. The surge cut the index's year-to-date losses by nearly half, though it is still down 6.7% for 2022 after falling into a correction last month.

Whether to hop on board the rally is a thorny question in a market that still faces its share of risks - chief among them the hawkish rate hike path the Fed unveiled on Wednesday and geopolitical uncertainty over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Still, some big banks believe the worst may be over, for now. Strategists at UBS Global Wealth Management on Friday said the projected pace of Fed tightening is "consistent with rising stocks" and advised clients to remain invested in equities.

JPMorgan earlier in the week forecast the S&P 500 would end the year at 4,900, about 10% above Friday's close, saying that markets "have now cleared the much-anticipated Fed liftoff with policy likely as hawkish as it gets."

Others are less sanguine. Worries that the Fed's fight against inflation could bruise growth were apparent in the bond market, where a flattening of the yield curve accelerated after the Fed's policy meeting this week. An inverted yield curve, in which yields of shorter-term government bonds rise above those of longer-term ones, has been a reliable predictor of past recessions.

Stubborn inflation, sky-high commodity prices and few signs of an end to the war in Ukraine further cloud the picture for investors, said Rick Meckler, a partner at Cherry Lane Investments.

"The markets are more complicated now by interest rates, they are more complicated by inflation, and they are definitely more complicated by the Russian situation," he said. "You had a lot of people in this week who thought we made a bottom, but it's difficult to keep having higher and higher prices just based on that."

Many also believe the week's sharp gains in stocks are unlikely to quiet the economic concerns that fanned bearish sentiment in recent months.

Fund managers' allocation to cash stand at their highest levels since April 2020, according to BofA Global Research's monthly survey. Bearish sentiment among retail investors is close to 50%, the latest survey from the American Association of Individual Investors showed, well above the historic average of 30.5%.

"The thing we are most concerned about right now ... is really a question of whether we are going to go into a recession or not," said King Lip, chief strategist at BakerAvenue Asset Management.

Wary of a potential "stagflationary" environment of slowing growth and rising inflation, Lip's firm is investing in energy shares, commodities and precious metals such as gold ETFs or gold-mining stocks.

Cresset Capital Management is recommending that clients underweight equities and raise their exposure to gold, which is viewed as a safe-haven asset, said Jack Ablin, Cresset's chief investment officer.

"We see certainly a pretty aggressive Fed that has really made inflation-fighting its number one priority and not necessarily protecting equity market values," Ablin said.

To be sure, signs of rampant pessimism - such as high cash levels and dour sentiment -- are often seen as contrarian indicators that are positive for equities. Indeed, hedge funds tracked by BoFA Global Research were recently piling into cyclical stocks, which tend to thrive when economic growth is strong.

"Despite weakening optimism on global growth, clients do not appear to be positioning for a recession," BoFA's strategists wrote.

Stocks historically have weathered rate-hike cycles fairly well. Since 1983, the S&P 500 has returned an average of 5.3% in the six months following the first Fed rate rise of a cycle, data from UBS showed.

"The Fed's goal remains to engineer a soft landing for the economy," the firm's analysts wrote. "We advise investors to prepare for higher rates while remaining engaged with equity markets."
 
Shiller PE ratio for the S&P 500:
36.16 as of 4:00 PM EDT, Fri Mar 18
Mean:16.93
Median:15.87
Min:4.78(Dec 1920)
Max:44.19(Dec 1999)

One Fed member on Friday indicated six or so more rate increases, with the next two perhaps 50 bps.

Russia/Ukraine wheat supply to the world is likely going to be cut drastically. Arab Spring 2.0?

Oil supply similarly in peril. So upward costs.

Escalation/spread of UKR crisis likely sooner than any meaningful resolution.

Inflation reaching 10%.

Recession likely looming. 4Q22?

Hard to see how anything but a sustained downward cylindrical pattern will emerge, soon. How far down? How long down?
 
Shiller PE ratio for the S&P 500:
36.16 as of 4:00 PM EDT, Fri Mar 18
Mean:16.93
Median:15.87
Min:4.78(Dec 1920)
Max:44.19(Dec 1999)

One Fed member on Friday indicated six or so more rate increases, with the next two perhaps 50 bps.

Russia/Ukraine wheat supply to the world is likely going to be cut drastically. Arab Spring 2.0?

Oil supply similarly in peril. So upward costs.

Escalation/spread of UKR crisis likely sooner than any meaningful resolution.

Inflation reaching 10%.

Recession likely looming. 4Q22?

Hard to see how anything but a sustained downward cylindrical pattern will emerge, soon. How far down? How long down?
Stocks performed extremely well during the last Fed rate increase cycle (2016-2018) until it hit 2.5% and Powell unwisely stated he was going to keep at it no matter what. That's when the market freaked out and forced him to back down. Lesson learned, which is why Papa is being more thoughtful now and sticking with quarter points.

Stocks should have a nicely positive year.

And FYI, stop with the 50 bps rate hike coming in the next month or two. No more fear porn. 8-1 vote against this. Bullard is all alone on his island. Time to stop listening to him.
 
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Stocks performed extremely well during the last Fed rate increase cycle (2016-2018) until it hit 2.5% and Powell unwisely stated he was going to keep at it no matter what. That's when the market freaked out and forced him to back down. Lesson learned, which is why Papa is being more thoughtful now.

Stocks should have a nicely positive year.

And FYI, stop with the 50 bps rate hike coming in the next month or two. No more fear porn. 8-1 vote against this.
That vote was on the first/initial increase. Fed knows it has to accelerate things despite RU/UKR.

We also have midterm elections coming up. More domestic uncertainty.

My take: be cautious short-term. Be asset diversified.
 
That vote was on the first/initial increase. Fed knows it has to accelerate things despite RU/UKR.

We also have midterm elections coming up. More domestic uncertainty.

My take: be cautious short-term. Be asset diversified.
The Fed's report predicts their next steps. All quarter points. They also predict that inflation should peak with the June/July data point which means end of summer. If inflation doesn't start going down by the end of summer, look for a 50 at their Sept 13th meeting.

It's all there and Powell has been sticking to the public plan. FYI, midterms is a positive catalyst for stocks. With the R's almost certain to take the House, Wall Street loves DC gridlock!
 
Shiller PE ratio for the S&P 500:
36.16 as of 4:00 PM EDT, Fri Mar 18
Mean:16.93
Median:15.87
Min:4.78(Dec 1920)
Max:44.19(Dec 1999)

One Fed member on Friday indicated six or so more rate increases, with the next two perhaps 50 bps.

Russia/Ukraine wheat supply to the world is likely going to be cut drastically. Arab Spring 2.0?

Oil supply similarly in peril. So upward costs.

Escalation/spread of UKR crisis likely sooner than any meaningful resolution.

Inflation reaching 10%.

Recession likely looming. 4Q22?

Hard to see how anything but a sustained downward cylindrical pattern will emerge, soon. How far down? How long down?
This…nothing really changed this week…I loved the rally but when you see ARKK jumping despite the mix of loser holdings (other than Tesla) I think we will retest some lows especially when people keep throwing around the word “stagflation”. There is no simple way out of this inflation mess and these crazy prices are never going back to old levels unless there is a major reckoning. Wish I bought more Walmart at $132 because it’s now become my favorite store. Groceries are waaaay better than I expected.
 
This…nothing really changed this week…I loved the rally but when you see ARKK jumping despite the mix of loser holdings (other than Tesla) I think we will retest some lows especially when people keep throwing around the word “stagflation”. There is no simple way out of this inflation mess and these crazy prices are never going back to old levels unless there is a major reckoning. Wish I bought more Walmart at $132 because it’s now become my favorite store. Groceries are waaaay better than I expected.
Only wacko bears and short sellers are talking about stagflation. I wonder why?
 

History suggests a short-term bounce is in the offing. On Monday evening, just after the S&P 500 had dropped 0.7%, Stifel strategist Barry Bannister told investors to expect a “relief rally” by April 30, but one that would weaken again starting in May. He cited the fact that November through April is usually stronger than the prior May through October. That hasn’t been the case so far, which makes the market “ripe for a rally,” Bannister says.


Similarly, the folks at Bespoke Investment Group note that when the Nasdaq gains 2.5% for two days in a row, it’s gone on to gain a median 3.4% over the next month, more than three times the median 1% rise over all periods going back to 1996. Unfortunately, those gains peter out over three months, suggesting that investors need to be more cautious than traders. “[More] often than not, these kinds of rallies have occurred during bear markets,” Bespoke notes.
 

History suggests a short-term bounce is in the offing. On Monday evening, just after the S&P 500 had dropped 0.7%, Stifel strategist Barry Bannister told investors to expect a “relief rally” by April 30, but one that would weaken again starting in May. He cited the fact that November through April is usually stronger than the prior May through October. That hasn’t been the case so far, which makes the market “ripe for a rally,” Bannister says.


Similarly, the folks at Bespoke Investment Group note that when the Nasdaq gains 2.5% for two days in a row, it’s gone on to gain a median 3.4% over the next month, more than three times the median 1% rise over all periods going back to 1996. Unfortunately, those gains peter out over three months, suggesting that investors need to be more cautious than traders. “[More] often than not, these kinds of rallies have occurred during bear markets,” Bespoke notes.
That first paragraph just sounds like the usual “sell in may and go away” I don’t pay close attention to it but I don’t know that that works all the time or even most of the time in recent history.
 
That first paragraph just sounds like the usual “sell in may and go away” I don’t pay close attention to it but I don’t know that that works all the time or even most of the time in recent history.
Earnings come out mostly in April. I normally sell after earnings which means May. I hope the rebound last a few more weeks.
 

History suggests a short-term bounce is in the offing. On Monday evening, just after the S&P 500 had dropped 0.7%, Stifel strategist Barry Bannister told investors to expect a “relief rally” by April 30, but one that would weaken again starting in May. He cited the fact that November through April is usually stronger than the prior May through October. That hasn’t been the case so far, which makes the market “ripe for a rally,” Bannister says.


Similarly, the folks at Bespoke Investment Group note that when the Nasdaq gains 2.5% for two days in a row, it’s gone on to gain a median 3.4% over the next month, more than three times the median 1% rise over all periods going back to 1996. Unfortunately, those gains peter out over three months, suggesting that investors need to be more cautious than traders. “[More] often than not, these kinds of rallies have occurred during bear markets,” Bespoke notes.
Yeah let’s be realistic. This relief rally is great but it’s not like there isn’t plenty of trouble brewing. Regardless, I don’t think it changed EOY targets unless Putin goes off the deep end or inflation shows no signs of improvement.
 

History suggests a short-term bounce is in the offing. On Monday evening, just after the S&P 500 had dropped 0.7%, Stifel strategist Barry Bannister told investors to expect a “relief rally” by April 30, but one that would weaken again starting in May. He cited the fact that November through April is usually stronger than the prior May through October. That hasn’t been the case so far, which makes the market “ripe for a rally,” Bannister says.


Similarly, the folks at Bespoke Investment Group note that when the Nasdaq gains 2.5% for two days in a row, it’s gone on to gain a median 3.4% over the next month, more than three times the median 1% rise over all periods going back to 1996. Unfortunately, those gains peter out over three months, suggesting that investors need to be more cautious than traders. “[More] often than not, these kinds of rallies have occurred during bear markets,” Bespoke notes.

I would not be surprised with more volatility in the upcoming months. There are a lot of investors that are hurting from growth stocks being down 70-80% in some cases. It will take a while before that is washed from the market.
 
That vote was on the first/initial increase. Fed knows it has to accelerate things despite RU/UKR.

We also have midterm elections coming up. More domestic uncertainty.

My take: be cautious short-term. Be asset diversified.
Shouldn’t you always be asset diversified
 
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Shiller PE ratio for the S&P 500:
36.16 as of 4:00 PM EDT, Fri Mar 18
Mean:16.93
Median:15.87
Min:4.78(Dec 1920)
Max:44.19(Dec 1999)

One Fed member on Friday indicated six or so more rate increases, with the next two perhaps 50 bps.

Russia/Ukraine wheat supply to the world is likely going to be cut drastically. Arab Spring 2.0?

Oil supply similarly in peril. So upward costs.

Escalation/spread of UKR crisis likely sooner than any meaningful resolution.

Inflation reaching 10%.

Recession likely looming. 4Q22?

Hard to see how anything but a sustained downward cylindrical pattern will emerge, soon. How far down? How long down?
The Shiler was discussed here not too long ago.

But I think the Shiller right now, much like the standard P/E in late 2020 is tweeked by the economy being shut off. The artificially elevated P/E was a poor metric at that point, and I think Shiller at this point may also be misleading.

Would like to see what the Shiller looks like minus the covid shutdown effects.
 
The Shiler was discussed here not too long ago.

But I think the Shiller right now, much like the standard P/E in late 2020 is tweeked by the economy being shut off. The artificially elevated P/E was a poor metric at that point, and I think Shiller at this point may also be misleading.

Would like to see what the Shiller looks like minus the covid shutdown effects.
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Shiller is a silly metric, pretty meaningless now. P/E's are very reasonable and so are the more important PEGs.
 
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Shiller is a silly metric, pretty meaningless now. P/E's are very reasonable and so are the more important PEGs.
I don't think it's silly, but I do think you need to consider different factors which are in play, in this case, the covid shutdowns.

Like I said I remember people talking about how high the P/E was in late 2020, and how that was indicative of a downfall in the market ahead. Yet fast forward 12+ months and the S&P is higher, while the P/E is down.

The Covid shutdown and the fact that it is not indicative of the overall health of the economy, has to be considered in these metrics.
 
Grantham was on Bloomberg again. And two years after predicting a bubble pop, and a year after saying the bubble would burst in a couple months, is now saying we are in a super bubble.
 
Grantham was on Bloomberg again. And two years after predicting a bubble pop, and a year after saying the bubble would burst in a couple months, is now saying we are in a super bubble.
Grantham has been calling for an epic crash since 2014. This is well documented. He has been wrong for years and years and years and years.
 
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What’s amazing is that these analysts are wrong more times than they are right but yet they keep getting airtime.
Fear porn sells. I will look for the video, but someone summed up all the public calls of Berry, Grantham, Ackman, and one other famous bear whose name escapes me and they were wrong over 98% of the time. They just keep yelling crash, crash, crash, crash, crash regardless of the situation. Sadly, since crashes happen from time to time, they get credit for being "right" even though they are essentially the boy that cried wolf.
 
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Not if BRANDON has anything to say about it.
It does appear that the hands of the oil companies are not completely tied. If they want to increase production, they could, and in fact they are. But will they ramp that increased production up even more given the current prices?
 
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Buffet finds a bargain....
"(Reuters) -Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc has struck an $11.6 billion deal to buy Alleghany Corp, the owner of reinsurer TransRe, just weeks after the 91-year-old billionaire bemoaned the lack of good investment opportunities.

Alleghany adds to Berkshire's already large insurance portfolio, which includes Geico auto insurance, General Re reinsurance and a unit that insures against major and unusual risks.

Founded in 1929 by railroad entrepreneurs Oris and Mantis Van Sweringen, New York-based Alleghany operates mainly in property and casualty reinsurance and insurance through subsidiaries and investments."
 
NKE earnings beat on the top and bottom line. China issues sound inline (just down 5%) and North America as well. Online up 19% and direct sales up 15% sound good. I think they have higher margins in those areas. Up 4.5% after hours guidance will come on the earnings call.

 
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NKE earnings beat on the top and bottom line. China issues sound inline (just down 5%) and North America as well. Online up 19% and direct sales up 15% sound good. I think they have higher margins in those areas. Up 4.5% after hours guidance will come on the earnings call.

Looking forward to tomorrow's NVDA investor day! The market was amusing today. Stupid investors freaked out with fear and emotion when Powell spoke, but regulars folks knew that everything said today was in the Fed report last week. So the market mellowed out. LOL!

Read the report people, not just the fear porn articles.
 
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NKE earnings beat on the top and bottom line. China issues sound inline (just down 5%) and North America as well. Online up 19% and direct sales up 15% sound good. I think they have higher margins in those areas. Up 4.5% after hours guidance will come on the earnings call.

I’m not overly impressed with the quarter and wonder if it will retreat tomorrow. Although, I do agree they were dealt a rough hand with supply chain crap and China.
 
Looking forward to tomorrow's NVDA investor day! The market was amusing today. Stupid investors freaked out with fear and emotion when Powell spoke, but regulars folks knew that everything said today was in the Fed report last week. So the market mellowed out. LOL!

Read the report people, not just the fear porn articles.

Freaking out? The S&P was down a whopping 0.04% after a huge run-up last week. I would call today a win.
 
Just talking about the midday drop.....which was temporary. Yes, overall a solid day.
My gut tells me we are in for another leg down on some BS Russia news in the next few weeks, at which point people will finally get sick of this invasion, inflation and commodities shit and we can finally build momentum heading to the second half of the year.
 
My gut tells me we are in for another leg down on some BS Russia news in the next few weeks, at which point people will finally get sick of this invasion, inflation and commodities shit and we can finally build momentum heading to the second half of the year.
2nd half of the year we can focus on a particular political party getting its ASS handed to them in the mid-terms.
 
I’m not overly impressed with the quarter and wonder if it will retreat tomorrow. Although, I do agree they were dealt a rough hand with supply chain crap and China.
I mentioned a week or so ago that Carter Worth said NKE could have a run up to 145 area. I saw the same as there is some resistance in that area and the neckline of what I thought was a double top is there as well. There is some slighter resistance in this 138ish area as well. Some other Fast Money traders last night mentioned a run to around 150 which is in the vicinity. I'd probably look to get out of what I have left of the shares I picked up recently in the 140-145 area because I do think it will have trouble getting much beyond that area.

Considering the headwinds they've had I thought their earnings were good. Online sales and DTC showing good growth too considering the comps from the pandemic but while their PE has come down it could still be considered premium in the current environment. They didn't give guidance during the call yesterday because of uncertainty with the China etc..

If it goes back down to that 115ish area I've mentioned and then 90-105 after that then that's where I could buy some back depending on what's happening in the market at that time.
 
I think VZ in this 48-51ish area might not be bad spot to pick up some..wonder if it could get to the low end of the range. 5% yield currently.
 
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Fed's Bullard and Bostic are hinting toward a more aggressive rate increase schedule. Bullard expects 50 bps with next move. Bostic is more aggressive. "I'm going to be very, very open in terms of my approach ... it could at some point be move nothing. It could be 25; it could be 50; it could be 75; it could be one," Bostic told reporters. They're looking at 3% by July.

Goldman states 50 bps increases in both May and June. And an end point above 3%.
 
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Fed's Bullard and Bostic are hinting toward a more aggressive rate increase schedule. Bullard expects 50 bps with next move. Bostic is more aggressive. "I'm going to be very, very open in terms of my approach ... it could at some point be move nothing. It could be 25; it could be 50; it could be 75; it could be one," Bostic told reporters. They're looking at 3% by July.

Goldman states 50 bps increases in both May and June. And an end point above 3%.
8-1 vote last meeting. And FYI, Bostic doesn't have a vote. Stop with the fear porn. The Fed plan is clear and will be data driven.
 
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