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Hard to believe the market has gotten to this point based on one self-inflicted wound after another. Gov’t handouts in the form of PPP, rent moratoriums, etc. show you how badly COVID affected most people financially = LOL it didn’t! Because if COVID had such a massive negative impact on people’s finances then Restoration Hardware and Ferrari wouldn’t have set record sales during that time period…all the money dumped into crypto and meme stocks by retail traders was thanks to the Gov’t. And the Gov’t failed to realize that WFH was already saving people from spending on commuting, entertainment, etc. All that stimulus pissed away. Low interest rates didn’t create the problem. They were low for 10 years and the housing market was fine. Growing up you have this idea that because someone is the President, a Senator, or powerful Gov’t figure they must be super smart and the best and brightest. LOL. These Gov’t officials are morons. And now loan forgiveness? How about teaching these borrowers how to balance a personal finance budget, exercise restraint when it comes to spending, and experience what it feels like to write that last loan check knowing you did it on your own. Nope, let’s just wipe out their debt so they can buy that new flat-screen for the living room, take that trip to Disney, buy some ETH. F’in circus right now and unfortunately I think the market still has another leg down because Powell is probably one of the biggest idiots to ever serve our financial system. He should be fired, removed, impeached (whatever it takes) based on his “transitory” blunder.
Yeah wiping out someone's debt NEVER works. They will quickly build that right back up again because of bad habits...never learn
 
Yeah wiping out someone's debt NEVER works. They will quickly build that right back up again because of bad habits...never learn
Government “ handouts” were just one factor in the current inflation (during a once in a hundred years pandemic no less). People are forgetting now that deaths per day are no longer 2,000 or more that supply chains are just now healing…for example shipping rates from Asia are finally now near what they were pre-pandemic after being multiples higher for many quarters.
Also, of course the Fed alone does have some control over interest rates (one doesn’t have to be a proponent of MMT to understand this) and they should have begun raising the Fed funds rate (slowly) and stopped QE at least six months earlier (actually about ten months but waiting one quarter would have been reasonable) than they did.
BTW…I’m sure Truth Social is a good time though…I love reading the “tweet truths.” People say they are some of the finest truths…
 
Hard to believe the market has gotten to this point based on one self-inflicted wound after another. Gov’t handouts in the form of PPP, rent moratoriums, etc. show you how badly COVID affected most people financially = LOL it didn’t! Because if COVID had such a massive negative impact on people’s finances then Restoration Hardware and Ferrari wouldn’t have set record sales during that time period…all the money dumped into crypto and meme stocks by retail traders was thanks to the Gov’t. And the Gov’t failed to realize that WFH was already saving people from spending on commuting, entertainment, etc. All that stimulus pissed away. Low interest rates didn’t create the problem. They were low for 10 years and the housing market was fine. Growing up you have this idea that because someone is the President, a Senator, or powerful Gov’t figure they must be super smart and the best and brightest. LOL. These Gov’t officials are morons. And now loan forgiveness? How about teaching these borrowers how to balance a personal finance budget, exercise restraint when it comes to spending, and experience what it feels like to write that last loan check knowing you did it on your own. Nope, let’s just wipe out their debt so they can buy that new flat-screen for the living room, take that trip to Disney, buy some ETH. F’in circus right now and unfortunately I think the market still has another leg down because Powell is probably one of the biggest idiots to ever serve our financial system. He should be fired, removed, impeached (whatever it takes) based on his “transitory” blunder.
Good post, shows that the gov’t has dropped the ball, both this admin and the previous. Who would have known that putting all of your stimmy money into eth was the best play?
 
Government “ handouts” were just one factor in the current inflation (during a once in a hundred years pandemic no less). People are forgetting now that deaths per day are no longer 2,000 or more that supply chains are just now healing…for example shipping rates from Asia are finally now near what they were pre-pandemic after being multiples higher for many quarters.
Also, of course the Fed alone does have some control over interest rates (one doesn’t have to be a proponent of MMT to understand this) and they should have begun raising the Fed funds rate (slowly) and stopped QE at least six months earlier (actually about ten months but waiting one quarter would have been reasonable) than they did.
Supply chains became constrained in part because of factories that temp closed due to COVID but demand was, and likely still is, the biggest factor. And all you need to do is look at Home Depot and the service sector, namely contractors/electricians/plumbers/etc. who are just finally starting to see a drop-off in business. The Gov’t paid for everyone to redo their houses. Just like the Gov’t basically paid for a lot of new cars driving auto inventories to record lows.
 
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Supply chains became constrained in part because of factories that temp closed due to COVID but demand was, and likely still is, the biggest factor. And all you need to do is look at Home Depot and the service sector, namely contractors/electricians/plumbers/etc. who are just finally starting to see a drop-off in business. The Gov’t paid for everyone to redo their houses. Just like the Gov’t basically paid for a lot of new cars driving auto inventories to record lows.
If people bought new Teslas because of the government it was through PPP fraud most likely (of which unfortunately there was a lot and most of those folks didn’t vote for ‘46’ I assure you).
 
Hard to believe the market has gotten to this point based on one self-inflicted wound after another. Gov’t handouts in the form of PPP, rent moratoriums, etc. show you how badly COVID affected most people financially = LOL it didn’t! Because if COVID had such a massive negative impact on people’s finances then Restoration Hardware and Ferrari wouldn’t have set record sales during that time period…all the money dumped into crypto and meme stocks by retail traders was thanks to the Gov’t. And the Gov’t failed to realize that WFH was already saving people from spending on commuting, entertainment, etc. All that stimulus pissed away. Low interest rates didn’t create the problem. They were low for 10 years and the housing market was fine. Growing up you have this idea that because someone is the President, a Senator, or powerful Gov’t figure they must be super smart and the best and brightest. LOL. These Gov’t officials are morons. And now loan forgiveness? How about teaching these borrowers how to balance a personal finance budget, exercise restraint when it comes to spending, and experience what it feels like to write that last loan check knowing you did it on your own. Nope, let’s just wipe out their debt so they can buy that new flat-screen for the living room, take that trip to Disney, buy some ETH. F’in circus right now and unfortunately I think the market still has another leg down because Powell is probably one of the biggest idiots to ever serve our financial system. He should be fired, removed, impeached (whatever it takes) based on his “transitory” blunder.
agree but right now, the mkt dislocations are 100% admin driven starting with the assault on fossil fuels.
 
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Supply chains became constrained in part because of factories that temp closed due to COVID but demand was, and likely still is, the biggest factor. And all you need to do is look at Home Depot and the service sector, namely contractors/electricians/plumbers/etc. who are just finally starting to see a drop-off in business. The Gov’t paid for everyone to redo their houses. Just like the Gov’t basically paid for a lot of new cars driving auto inventories to record lows.
You had your house redone? Actually had about $30k work done but didn’t get any government money. Real hard to get the work done because contractors always had excuse supply chain and workers. It took 6-8 months to actually get some projects finished due to delays.
 
No assault. Fake news.
Plenty of drill-able land available…oil companies prioritizing low risk profits over lower gasoline prices for Americans, that’s for sure.
you have no idea what you are talking about. drillable land is a small component of the big equation. do some research then come back and let's discuss and get away from liberal logic.
 
You had your house redone? Actually had about $30k work done but didn’t get any government money. Real hard to get the work done because contractors always had excuse supply chain and workers. It took 6-8 months to actually get some projects finished due to delays.
I waited a year for a portico to be built (actually more like two years because it took almost a year for me to even get an estimate from them). They did have some issues getting some materials in 2021 but they would up doing it at end of June 2022 for the estimate we agreed to in June 2021.
 
you have no idea what you are talking about. drillable land is a small component of the big equation. do some research then come back and let's discuss and get away from liberal logic.
So you’re saying there is no more land available in the Permian? Lol Just silly.
 
I waited a year for a portico to be built (actually more like two years because it took almost a year for me to even get an estimate from them). They did have some issues getting some materials in 2021 but they would up doing it at end of June 2022 for the estimate we agreed to in June 2021.
Yes, always had a problem with getting estimates like they were too busy and didn’t need my business. One increase their quote after 6 months due to finding workers.
 
Yes, always had a problem with getting estimates like they were too busy and didn’t need my business.
Yeah. I can’t believe they didn’t want more than the estimate. I was patient and eventually their schedule allowed for a relatively inexpensive job…under 11K.
 
Comical to watch people still panic selling and locking in their losses. May be the greatest opportunity since 2008/2009. Be patient and keep buying. LOL!
Nike comments on inventory buildup will spook this week. I'm not sure it's all economic for them however, I see kids buying new stuff and lots, LOTS, of parents here in NJ are not buying nike for obvious reasons. I bring this up because I see and hear (even in work meetings in liberal northeast) lots of commentary on the social cost to corporate positions/actions unpopular policies (unpopular in American and not liberal press and admin) which matters.

Mkts are in a tough spot
slowing underbelly of the drivers of cost based pricing variables
political bs
war
assault on fossil fuels
taxation and spending
companies are slowing growth drivers due to labor and production costs (margins can only take so much)

I could go


by the way, anyone see Kamala say that communities of color should take precedent in Ian's wake? If you support the administration, you;'re a racist pos. No different than what the fascists did with less desirables. Support the administration and you're racist and no one should engage you here or otherwise
 
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You had your house redone? Actually had about $30k work done but didn’t get any government money. Real hard to get the work done because contractors always had excuse supply chain and workers. It took 6-8 months to actually get some projects finished due to delays.
No, at least nothing major, but plenty of my neighbors/friends had work done.
 
by the way, anyone see Kamala say that communities of color should take precedent in Ian's wake? If you support the administration, you;'re a racist pos. No different than what the fascists did with less desirables. Support the administration and you're racist and no one should engage you here or otherwise
Yup, true garbage coming from the admin. I hope people get smart and vote accordingly.
 
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If people bought new Teslas because of the government it was through PPP fraud most likely (of which unfortunately there was a lot and most of those folks didn’t vote for ‘46’ I assure you).
Tons of PPP fraud. Although I know plenty of people that don’t view it that way. Some of these businesses had minor temp issues that seemed like crises at the time. Two people I know that had their businesses “crushed” renovated their kitchen for about $140K and other one bought a Lambo.
 
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Nike comments on inventory buildup will spook this week. I'm not sure it's all economic for them however, I see kids buying new stuff and lots, LOTS, of parents here in NJ are not buying nike for obvious reasons. I bring this up because I see and hear (even in work meetings in liberal northeast) lots of commentary on the social cost to corporate positions/actions unpopular policies (unpopular in American and not liberal press and admin) which matters.

Mkts are in a tough spot
slowing underbelly of the drivers of cost based pricing variables
political bs
war
assault on fossil fuels
taxation and spending
companies are slowing growth drivers due to labor and production costs (margins can only take so much)

I could go


by the way, anyone see Kamala say that communities of color should take precedent in Ian's wake? If you support the administration, you;'re a racist pos. No different than what the fascists did with less desirables. Support the administration and you're racist and no one should engage you here or otherwise
Not really a Kamala fan but this is over-the-top nonsense…like people still pretending ‘45’ even had an infrastructure plan. “Liberal” lol Mitch McConnell will never speak to ‘45’ again. MM isn’t even center-right…that would be Liz Cheney.
 
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you have no idea what you are talking about. drillable land is a small component of the big equation. do some research then come back and let's discuss and get away from liberal logic.
When it comes to oil, what almost everyone misses is that even with a significant increase in drilling and pumping, the US does not have enough refinery capacity to put a dent into the equation. For years people have been shouting for more refineries, and the same people have fought if its in their own backyards.......stalemate.
 
When it comes to oil, what almost everyone misses is that even with a significant increase in drilling and pumping, the US does not have enough refinery capacity to put a dent into the equation. For years people have been shouting for more refineries, and the same people have fought if its in their own backyards.......stalemate.
Except US gasoline exports hit a record high this year… Sigh.🤷
 
Tons of PPP fraud. Although I know plenty of people that don’t view it that way. Some of these businesses had minor temp issues that seemed like crises at the time. Two people I know that had their businesses “crushed” renovated their kitchen for about $140K and other one bought a Lambo.
Rat them out
 
More and more CE Board garbage on here. Sounding like folks are really smarting from investment losses and want to (need to) place blame on something/someone other than themselves. We've experienced an unprecedented long-lasting bull market. Lots of easy money "made." Lots of free money in play for a long time. Valuations grew as did expectations that this was the norm. A pandemic, an aggressive and meddling Russia, a partisan-divided USA, runaway inflation... all made for a perfect storm. And do we unite to make repair our common interests, our democracy? Not hardly. The bickering on this "Stock and Investment" thread reflects the trouble we're in. Our best days are surely behind us. We went from "The Greatest Generation" to a bunch of whiny entitled blowhards i.e. "The Weakest Generation." Rant over.
 
More and more CE Board garbage on here. Sounding like folks are really smarting from investment losses and want to (need to) place blame on something/someone other than themselves. We've experienced an unprecedented long-lasting bull market. Lots of easy money "made." Lots of free money in play for a long time. Valuations grew as did expectations that this was the norm. A pandemic, an aggressive and meddling Russia, a partisan-divided USA, runaway inflation... all made for a perfect storm. And do we unite to make repair our common interests, our democracy? Not hardly. The bickering on this "Stock and Investment" thread reflects the trouble we're in. Our best days are surely behind us. We went from "The Greatest Generation" to a bunch of whiny entitled blowhards i.e. "The Weakest Generation." Rant over.
Fair. This isn’t 1980 and yet for some a 1980 Reagan campaign slogan is the mantra. Forty plus years of crumbling infrastructure and people still won’t wake up. Without work from home we would truly be screwed right now. And…In 1980 Al Gore hadn’t even invented the internet yet.
 
Gimmick investing winding down

"Recent statistics don’t bode well for the future of non-fungible tokens (NFTs). The monthly trading volume in NFTs has collapsed, with a 97 percent plunge from its trading peak earlier this year.

While NFT trading volume reached a record high of $17 billion in January, it fell to $466 million by September, as reported by Bloomberg. ..“It was pretty obvious there was a bubble element,” said Andrea Baronchelli, a professor at City University of London who studies the crypto and NFT space. The hype surrounding NFTs meant that a normalization and fall was inevitable."




Chris Martenson does a nice job explaining "liquidity illusions" and bubble pops 7:30 in

 
Gimmick investing winding down

"Recent statistics don’t bode well for the future of non-fungible tokens (NFTs). The monthly trading volume in NFTs has collapsed, with a 97 percent plunge from its trading peak earlier this year.

While NFT trading volume reached a record high of $17 billion in January, it fell to $466 million by September, as reported by Bloomberg. ..“It was pretty obvious there was a bubble element,” said Andrea Baronchelli, a professor at City University of London who studies the crypto and NFT space. The hype surrounding NFTs meant that a normalization and fall was inevitable."




Chris Martenson does a nice job explaining "liquidity illusions" and bubble pops 7:30 in

“However, Baronchelli said he doesn’t believe this signifies the end of NFTs. “I don’t think we’re going towards an extinction of the market,” he said.

Recently, a CryptoPunks NFT sold for $4.5 million on Sept. 28. “It’s not how it used to be, but it’s not dead,” said Baronchelli. “It’s not a low number, it’s actually a little surprising.” He added that the royalty benefits for artists and usefulness when it comes to issues of provenance remain important advantages of NFTs for the art world.”
 
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