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I don’t know how much time I have but I do know how much money I need. That’s why I use a number. It will be hard to walk away because I do like my job and the money is good. I guess it comes down to what else I can be doing with my time.
Breaking away can be tough for many. Especially if you're in an "intense" environment wherein you're acclimated to the pace, stress, and social elements. And for some, their identity is tied to their career. Unplugging can be deflating and even frightening for some. That said, I did so at 60 and never looked back. On the other hand, it's much better to walk away from a career when you are financially sound, as well as healthy and have prepared yourself for the next phase.
 
Patience is key. My fun account is 60% in and 40% cash (waiting to add in). These are my 3x ETFs, so I am more careful than normal. I did the math and know where I need to buy to make a difference. Also thinking about converting some of my normal ETFs to 2x versions, which is more aggressive. I'm in the range to convert VB or VWTO to UWM, but not there yet for VOO to SSO.
I hope when you talk about your “fun accounts” you have some real skin in the game. Nothing worse than the guy that goes to Vegas and “wins big” - then you find out he’s betting $10 a hand and playing nickel slots and came home up $500.
 
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Breaking away can be tough for many. Especially if you're in an "intense" environment wherein your acclimated to the pace, stress, and social elements. And for some, their identity is tied to their career. Unplugging can be deflating and even frightening for some. That said, I did so at 60 and never looked back. On the other hand, it's much better to walk away from a career when you are financially sound, as well as healthy and have prepared yourself for the next phase.
I had a contributory pension so there is a point where it makes no sense to stay working where I was. I found another job in an area I like and I also have a small business. Both allow me a lot of flexibility time wise

My being available also allowed my wife to increase her business.
 
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I think over the last 20 years utilities have kept pace with the s&p in total return . Now that includes the recent catchup and i assume the s&p will significantly outperform on a rebound but the distinction between growth and value has been minimal.
Just looked at the corresponding Vanguard funds.....roughly 500% vs. 400% return in favor of the S&P 500. Close, but even with advantageous timing for utilities, still behind. Also looks like utilities were more volatile, if that is important to you.
 
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Breaking away can be tough for many. Especially if you're in an "intense" environment wherein you're acclimated to the pace, stress, and social elements. And for some, their identity is tied to their career. Unplugging can be deflating and even frightening for some. That said, I did so at 60 and never looked back. On the other hand, it's much better to walk away from a career when you are financially sound, as well as healthy and have prepared yourself for the next phase.
Know and work with people like that. They are terrified of retirement because that’s their identity. I’m a lot younger but also had health issues before. I also have younger kids that’ll keep me busy
 
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I don’t know how much time I have but I do know how much money I need. That’s why I use a number. It will be hard to walk away because I do like my job and the money is good. I guess it comes down to what else I can be doing with my time.
People always say.....you should have a plan before you make the leap!
 
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I hope when you talk about your “fun accounts” you have some real skin in the game. Nothing worse than the guy that goes to Vegas and “wins big” - then you find out he’s betting $10 a hand and playing nickel slots and came home up $500.
It is all relative. My concern with this type thread is that some folks may act and invest per the stated perfect strategic plays by posters and perfect timing etc. I think they readily give themselves away. But still....
 
I hope when you talk about your “fun accounts” you have some real skin in the game. Nothing worse than the guy that goes to Vegas and “wins big” - then you find out he’s betting $10 a hand and playing nickel slots and came home up $500.
Fun account is about $100k. 60% invested, the rest waiting for the right moment.
 
It is all relative. My concern with this type thread is that some folks may act and invest per the stated perfect strategic plays by posters and perfect timing etc. I think they readily give themselves away. But still....
I’m in an investing discord group where there’s a thread “post your losers.” It’s everyone’s favorite thread and very therapeutic to visit
 
"Total" health. Not just physical but emotional as well.
The study focused on physical health. However, this is somewhat semantics since mental health is a leading indicator of physical health. I worked in the mental health space for 5 years.....from SZ to MDD to everything in between. I understand.
 
Know and work with people like that. They are terrified of retirement because that’s their identity. I’m a lot younger but also had health issues before. I also have younger kids that’ll keep me busy
You need a plan on how you will fill your day

That even is not perfect after you are retired a long time from what I see

My dad has been retired 28 years and early on his plan was great but over time with age it gets more difficult
 
People always say.....you should have a plan before you make the leap!
So my plan was keep busy with 2 flexible jobs I can do for years

Daily workouts or hiking

Gardening but not overwhelming

Take some time to read every day

Some time with our granddaughter

Spend time with my parents at least once a week

Catch a weekly movie or bowling for fun

Between my full time job pre retirement and the commute I had 50 to 55 hours to fill

Some of the time is just filled by a little more sleep and a slow easy morning of not having to rush out.
 
I don’t know how much time I have but I do know how much money I need. That’s why I use a number. It will be hard to walk away because I do like my job and the money is good. I guess it comes down to what else I can be doing with my time.
I’m similar..while I have a time frame I’m working more towards a number so that can either be accelerated or prolonged.

My minimum is $5mm which would comfortable but I’m aiming for $7mm which will happen in next 11-15yrs. $5mm should be achieved around 57-58 so in 11-12yrs
 
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Just a "head's up" for those interested in capitalizing on the current 9.62% I-Bonds. You have until the end of this month (October) to gift up to $10k at the current 9.62% six-month rate.

As an example, for married couples, even if you both already purchased your $10k I-Bond limit for 2022, you can purchase an additional $10k I-Bond each and "gift" it to your spouse via TreasuryDirect.

That additional $10k each, however, will count toward your $10k 2023 I-Bond limit.

Why do this? You lock into that 9.62% 6-month rate now (in Oct '22) which rolls into 2023. At the end of that 6-months your rate will adjust to the new I-Bond rate that will be established next month (November). The I-Bond interest rate will fall in November, so you gain an advantage, at least for 6-months.

Complicated? A just a bit. Lastly, you will eventually (next year) have to transfer your gifted I-Bond to your spouse, i.e. transfer it from your TreasuryDirect account to hers, and vice versa.
 
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Just a "head's up" for those interested in capitalizing on the current 9.62% I-Bonds. You have until the end of this month (October) to gift up to $10k at the current 9.62% six-month rate.

As an example, for married couples, even if you both already purchased your $10k I-Bond limit for 2022, you can purchase an additional $10k I-Bond each and "gift" it to your spouse via TreasuryDirect.

That additional $10k each, however, will count toward your $10k 2023 I-Bond limit.

Why do this? You lock into that 9.62% 6-month rate now (in Oct '22) which rolls into 2023. At the end of that 6-months your rate will adjust to the new I-Bond rate that will be established next month (November). The I-Bond interest rate will fall in November, so you gain an advantage, at least for 6-months.

Complicated? A just a bit. Lastly, you will eventually (next year) have to transfer your gifted I-Bond to your spouse, i.e. transfer it from your TreasuryDirect account to hers, and vice versa.
Sounds like I-Bonds will drop to ~6% for the next 6 month period. Look for under 4% for the following period. Remember, I-Bonds absolutely sucked for the past 6-7 years. Also, the $10k limit is a killer.
 
Sounds like I-Bonds will drop to ~6% for the next 6 month period. Look for under 4% for the following period. Remember, I-Bonds absolutely sucked for the past 6-7 years. Also, the $10k limit is a killer.
November I-Bond rate likely to come in at/around 7.9%. They adjust again on May 1, 2023. Predicting the May rate? C'mon, man. In any case, you buy in Oct '22 and you get the 9.62% for six months, then 7.9% for the next six months, then the May 1, 2023 rate for six months. As for penalties, you have to hold the bond for at least one year from issue date. Cash after one year, you forfeit the last three months of interest. Hold for five years to avoid any penalty.
 
November I-Bond rate likely to come in at/around 7.9%. They adjust again on May 1, 2023. Predicting the May rate? C'mon, man. In any case, you buy in Oct '22 and you get the 9.62% for six months, then 7.9% for the next six months, then the May 1, 2023 rate for six months. As for penalties, you have to hold the bond for at least one year from issue date. Cash after one year, you forfeit the last three months of interest. Hold for five years to avoid any penalty.
Implied November 2022 I Bond inflation rate (with no further changes): 6.03%
 
6% is not exactly horrible. But on Nov 1, we'll revisit. I believe it'll be higher.
Whether it is 6 or 7%, the $10k limit makes it more of a novelty than a real investment option. We have about $14k in I-Bonds from a while ago.....just letting the cash ride. We are waiting for CDs to peak and then move some of our cash into them.
 
Whether it is 6 or 7%, the $10k limit makes it more of a novelty than a real investment option. We have about $14k in I-Bonds from a while ago.....just letting the cash ride. We are waiting for CDs to peak and then move some of our cash into them.
You may be missing the cumulative point. A couple can buy $40k combined in October. $10k each and then gift each other $10k each. $40k at 9 62% for 6 months and then 6 months at 7%. That's "real"....
 
So are we going to get a faux rally before the PPI/CPI this week or just trade sideways until the numbers come out?
 
So are we going to get a faux rally before the PPI/CPI this week or just trade sideways until the numbers come out?
Down a little early this morning.

I'm not sure how optimistic the market is for a cooler then expected inflation print.
 
Down a little early this morning.

I'm not sure how optimistic the market is for a cooler then expected inflation print.

I think it would be good sign if we didn't see a rally and the market just waited for the numbers.

But the algos might have other plans.
 
I’ve thought 3200 could be the absolute bottom and 3000 would pretty hard to break through but he’s thinking 2800 is possible if you take 20% off current levels.


Asked for his views on the outlook for the S&P 500, Dimon said the benchmark could yet fall by “another easy 20%” from current levels, adding that “the next 20% would be much more painful than the first.”
 
I’ve thought 3200 could be the absolute bottom and 3000 would pretty hard to break through but he’s thinking 2800 is possible if you take 20% off current levels.


Asked for his views on the outlook for the S&P 500, Dimon said the benchmark could yet fall by “another easy 20%” from current levels, adding that “the next 20% would be much more painful than the first.”
I think he’s working the Fed because that would be a huge correction. Another 20% on top of the current ass-kicking would mean big trouble.
 
I think he’s working the Fed because that would be a huge correction. Another 20% on top of the current ass-kicking would mean big trouble.
Or .. is he prepping an excuse for a looming drop in JPM's business? That "hurricane" he had previously forecasted in soon to landfall right at Msr. Dimon's doorstep?
 
I’ve thought 3200 could be the absolute bottom and 3000 would pretty hard to break through but he’s thinking 2800 is possible if you take 20% off current levels.


Asked for his views on the outlook for the S&P 500, Dimon said the benchmark could yet fall by “another easy 20%” from current levels, adding that “the next 20% would be much more painful than the first.”
20% is closer to 2,880 or 2,900 (40% off the high) . Very possible. It would be painful because whatever stocks you think is a safety stock will be hit hard.

And while 20% is the minimum drop used to characterize a bear market, the S&P falls by an average of roughly 35% in a bear market. “Being less than six months into this…Jun 30, 2022

65% of 4,800 is 3,120. This bear market is suppose be a lot worse.
 
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20% is closer to 2,880 or 2,900 (40% off the high) . Very possible. It would be painful because whatever stocks you think is a safety stock will be hit hard.

And while 20% is the minimum drop used to characterize a bear market, the S&P falls by an average of roughly 35% in a bear market. “Being less than six months into this…Jun 30, 2022

65% of 4,800 is 3,120. This bear market is suppose be a lot worse.
If that happens, it may be the greatest opportunity in a generation! So far, this is just a typical bear market. Real inflation is up a bit, but the crash is 100% pure Fed overreaction (just like 2018). The last true bear was because the entire financial system was crashing. Night and day!
 
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