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Except that the economy continues to be very strong. And pretty much all of the above is either because of the strong economy, or helps the economy continue upward.
The stock market is going to force Trump to stop talking about tariffs. Either he bend or expect a big correction soon. I was going to reduce my exposure until he reduce his tariff plans. Tariffs will definitely increase inflation.

A lot of tech companies don’t operate in China so they won’t be hurt as much until Europe fights back if Trump continue with European tariffs. Trump will go back on his words when he see the market fall.
 
I read private equity are now buying businesses like plumbers and electricians in a locality and raising prices to pay for the capital infusion similar to them increasing single homes prices. Crazy.


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I would be very careful with that. Owners of the acquired companies, who have enjoyed their independence, may see that a way to ease into retirement, and may bristle at the rules and regulations that a larger outfit might impose.
 
I would be very careful with that. Owners of the acquired companies, who have enjoyed their independence, may see that a way to ease into retirement, and may bristle at the rules and regulations that a larger outfit might impose.
It’s already happening with a million dollar buyout and they continue with their same business but with huge price increases to pay for the million dollar infusion. The government needs to stop it with regulations. It’s those dam consultants from Ivy Leagues who can’t come up with any better ideas.
 
The stock market is going to force Trump to stop talking about tariffs. Either he bend or expect a big correction soon. I was going to reduce my exposure until he reduce his tariff plans. Tariffs will definitely increase inflation.

A lot of tech companies don’t operate in China so they won’t be hurt as much until Europe fights back if Trump continue with European tariffs. Trump will go back on his words when he see the market fall.
We shall see. Trump likes to talk. Let's worry about things when they happen. See the quote in my sig below:
 
I read private equity are now buying businesses like plumbers and electricians in a locality and raising prices to pay for the capital infusion similar to them increasing single homes prices. Crazy.
100%…I know owners of both trades/businesses and it’s like they hit the lottery. PE wants cash flow and are piecing together what in some localities start to look like monopolies.
 
I've been keeping RIVN as a long term hold.... hoping they really blow up and become a mini-Tesla...

but maybe I should be doing a little more trading on ups/downs.
I'm well in the red in the position and added when it was down near its lows, so when it ran up to $18 in the summer it was a pretty big position for me, I should have trimmed back then, given I had added when it was significantly lower and the position was as big as it was.

Regretted not doing so when it fell back down, so when it popped up to $15 I figure I'd best take advantage this time.
 
We shall see. Trump likes to talk. Let's worry about things when they happen. See the quote in my sig below:
Trump did say he wanted to control the interest rate so he might fire Powell,(make it unbearable for Powell to stay) Powell said he’s staying and then lower the interest rate even if inflation goes up. No matter the scenario, I did lighten up on stock the last couple of weeks but now wish I moved more over to cash. There were some big gains since November.
 
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Trump did say he wanted to control the interest rate so he might fire Powell,(make it unbearable for Powell to stay) Powell said he’s staying and then lower the interest rate even if inflation goes up. No matter the scenario, I did lighten up on stock the last couple of weeks but now wish I moved more over to cash. There were some big gains since November.
The stock market is one of Trump's top priorities (maybe the most important). I'm sure his policies and appointment decisions will reflect this. Steady as you go.
 
The stock market is one of Trump's top priorities (maybe the most important). I'm sure his policies and appointment decisions will reflect this. Steady as you go.
That’s why he will bend because he’ll be watching the market. I think he will still have targeted tariffs not blanket tariffs but will be more careful especially with a 15-20% correction. Actually I heard the bond market will keep him honest.
 
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That’s why he will bend because he’ll be watching the market. I think he will still have targeted tariffs not blanket tariffs but will be more careful especially with a 15-20% correction. Actually I heard the bond market will keep him honest.
I agree on the tariffs being more selective and targeted. I'm sure there will be threats and bluster, but if we end up with better trade agreements, I'm fine with buying temporary dips! :)
 
100%…I know owners of both trades/businesses and it’s like they hit the lottery. PE wants cash flow and are piecing together what in some localities start to look like monopolies.
What prevents them from leaving and starting up a new shop? Doesn’t make sense because there is no exit.
 
It’s already happening with a million dollar buyout and they continue with their same business but with huge price increases to pay for the million dollar infusion. The government needs to stop it with regulations. It’s those dam consultants from Ivy Leagues who can’t come up with any better ideas.
100%…I know owners of both trades/businesses and it’s like they hit the lottery. PE wants cash flow and are piecing together what in some localities start to look like monopolies.

How many prior owners are still there 3 years after the purchase? Retirement looks possible with the buyout. Alternatively, the non-compete may be expiring.
 
How do you monetize if the real asset can leave after a specific amount time of that can be your direct competitor?
The ones I’ve seen are 5 year non competes. So you buy the business, customer base, seo/web footprint, etc and try to keep your customers happy and grow.

I watched one where on the dot of five years the old owner opened a new place, hired away large amounts of staff and started over, so it definitely happens.
 
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The ones I’ve seen are 5 year non competes. So you buy the business, customer base, seo/web footprint, etc and try to keep your customers happy and grow.

I watched one where on the dot of five years the old owner opened a new place, hired away large amounts of staff and started over, so it definitely happens.
That’s why i doubt PE would do it. A monopoly for 5 years isn’t going to work. I wanted to invest in an urgent care but realized that you have to be a doctor to make it work.
 
That’s why i doubt PE would do it. A monopoly for 5 years isn’t going to work. I wanted to invest in an urgent care but realized that you have to be a doctor to make it work.
PE was the buyer in the scenarios I’m talking about. It’s medical/behavioral health, so not exactly what was talked about, but similar models.
 
PE is definitely doing this. I know someone who is at a PE shop and all they do is gobble up plumbing and hvac business. Only residential. He said to steer clear of commercial. Commercial is too dependent on the operator and that relationship.
 
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How do you monetize if the real asset can leave after a specific amount time of that can be your direct competitor?
A lot of these blue-collar business owners are happy to cash-out and aren’t looking to rebuild once their non-compete expires. They are buying houses down the Jersey shore and enjoying life. These guys grinded for most of their lives and experienced serious highs and lows. PE is rolling up the businesses and centralizing back-office and operations. In the long run it’s very bad for consumers.
 
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NUKK is up 4700% in 2 days. In one month went from $1.30 to over $70. Makes GME look like a joke.

Well, back to $43 and trading has been halted. Also, a little over 3 million shares outstanding, but 10 day average trades is 22 million. That’s insane turnover
 
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Well, back to $43 and trading has been halted. Also, a little over 3 million shares outstanding, but 10 day average trades is 22 million. That’s insane turnover
There is a lot of whacky stuff going on in the market and I have to believe AI is in play. If AI will supposedly be able to cure diseases, then predicting or manipulating the stock market is child’s play for an AI Bot. Just like I’m sure there are AI Bots that are crushing it in online sports betting. That’s why I sold my entire DraftKings position after the last mediocre earnings report. Plug in 100 years of sports data into an AI program and I have to imagine the odds of winning are increased on a scale we can’t imagine.
 
A lot of these blue-collar business owners are happy to cash-out and aren’t looking to rebuild once their non-compete expires. They are buying houses down the Jersey shore and enjoying life. These guys grinded for most of their lives and experienced serious highs and lows. PE is rolling up the businesses and centralizing back-office and operations. In the long run it’s very bad for consumers.
Really? You think everyone is content with one payday when they can get 2. Sorry, there is no exit for PE. Makes zero sense.
 
Really? You think everyone is content with one payday when they can get 2. Sorry, there is no exit for PE. Makes zero sense.
Hate to tell you it’s happening everywhere. I’m not suggesting it’s a PE epidemic. But my Mom’s pool guy just sold his company in SoCal to a group of investors. Car washes are insanely hot. HVAC companies too. I think you have a different (perhaps wrong) view of the blue-collar folks that built and run many of these small businesses. If you built a plumbing company over the course of 25 years and are now in your 50s you think they want to start over and build another company? How old do you think these business owners are? On the PE side it’s a no brainer because they come in and optimize systems, drive efficiencies, and roll-up several to get economies of scale.
 
i deal with plumbers and hvac at the retail level and at least locally here in costal monmouth county there has been near zero pe infiltration.
 
Haven’t heard any market commentary today but late yesterday Mike Santoli thought yesterday looked like a washout day.
 
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Hate to tell you it’s happening everywhere. I’m not suggesting it’s a PE epidemic. But my Mom’s pool guy just sold his company in SoCal to a group of investors. Car washes are insanely hot. HVAC companies too. I think you have a different (perhaps wrong) view of the blue-collar folks that built and run many of these small businesses. If you built a plumbing company over the course of 25 years and are now in your 50s you think they want to start over and build another company? How old do you think these business owners are? On the PE side it’s a no brainer because they come in and optimize systems, drive efficiencies, and roll-up several to get economies of scale.
I believe you that people are buying these businesses but it’s not PE. The buyers are syndicators. They pool retail investors to make these purchases and charge a fee to do it. It’s a scam. Yes, people will start a new business at 50. You don’t understand entrepreneurs. They are grinders and always looking to make money.
 
I believe you that people are buying these businesses but it’s not PE. The buyers are syndicators. They pool retail investors to make these purchases and charge a fee to do it. It’s a scam. Yes, people will start a new business at 50. You don’t understand entrepreneurs. They are grinders and always looking to make money.
I know a bunch of people like that and you’re right they’re often talking about business opportunities. But I don’t know if the profile of some of these business owners are the same as that.
 
NKE has a pretty strong support in the high 60s low 70s area so you're not too far above that. I don't think it's a bad place to enter. It's dancing around a long term MA which it hasn't sniffed in probably 15 years but it's been holding the last 6 months.

I think tariffs could be an issue and then competition in China and domestically both stealing share.


If so works for me. I don’t like buying on big waves, prefer when the wave comes crashing down and then take a look at the aftermath.
NKE currently up 10% after the ER. Let’s see if it holds if they give guidance. They withheld it when the new CEO took over.

 
I believe you that people are buying these businesses but it’s not PE. The buyers are syndicators. They pool retail investors to make these purchases and charge a fee to do it. It’s a scam. Yes, people will start a new business at 50. You don’t understand entrepreneurs. They are grinders and always looking to make money.
I guess you didn’t bother to read the articles. We are not talking about PE firms like TPG or Bain. And you think a 50 something year old plumber that slaved for 25 years soldering copper pipes and building his business wants to sell out only to then start another plumbing business? Come on let’s be realistic here. There is a better chance that retired plumber that sells out opens a coffee shop than open a brand new competing plumbing business.
 
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