I had forgotten (if I ever knew) that Buffalo and Stony Brook universities are substantially larger than Binghamton. FWIW, Binghamton posts that it's "the #1 public in New York." https://www.binghamton.edu/promo/ad...gfm1799ecK1wP5FgDbd37Q8UfyIdHZahoCYuAQAvD_BwE
OT: The official ACC all things thread
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The Army of Red Blaik and Pete Dawkins had a lot of support when it was a leading football power in the late 50s. Syracuse was the same in its national championship year. (I'm old enough to remember both.) Winning means a lot. That's not very different for Rutgers -- many New Jerseyans laugh at us and even say we should disband the program when we're not doing well.
Well I wasn’t around then, but I have a hard time imagining NYC families without ties to Syracuse University following their sports team the way they would support the Mets or the Yankees as the local team. Is that what you recall?
Yes, I do. I even remember Army's The Lonely End -- the end who didn't huddle with the team. Of course, the parallel is more the Giants (the "Titans" of the AFL came later) than baseball. It might have helped that the NYC area was especially football conscious then because the Giants were a perennial contender -- the Giants were part of the so-called Greatest Game with the Baltimore Colts around this time. Sometimes one team's success helps another. BTW, the service academies were a bigger deal in the sports world than they are now -- I remember a lot of New Yorkers caring about the Army-Navy game and rooting depending on past or present personal or family affiliation with one of the armed services. Take it from me -- it was a different time.
Clown is being nice
It’s a total shitshow run into the ground by a bunch of corrupt idiots
If true, and Thamel is pretty tuned in, it’ll be interesting if next year is the year they leave
Pete Thamel
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Have been told by multiple sources that there’s no expectation for Florida State or Clemson to notify the ACC they intend to leave by the Aug. 15 deadline to depart after the upcoming year. That’s the deadline to declare intentions to exit for the 2025-26 year.
2-3 years is what I was told when I started posting about this in 2023
Wow, seems like this went away quick. It wasn't that long ago there were posts about an announcement by August 15...
Went away quick? This thread was started 2/4. This has been going on for a whole year!!
It's been going on for longer than a year. But as recently as a week ago some were saying it's a done deal by August 15. Suddenly it's not...
Translation:
Teams we play outside our conference are better than the teams in our conference.
That’s the world of realignment
Like Yogi said, it’s not over til it’s over
There's a huge amount of posturing here. Despite the rumors, it is hard to believe that FSU and Clemson are going anywhere until the GOR lawsuits are resolved either by settlement or final decision by the courts -- and it would be a long time if we have to wait for the latter. No conference wants to run the risk of being held liable for inducing breach of contract as they would be if the grant of rights is ultimately held valid.
Lol the execution of the message there wasn't even close to anything that would make anyone in the ACC confident.
They’re 100% not going anywhere until the GOR is resolved, I don’t think that’s even remotely debatable
So why do you keep spreading reports that they are going to leave by a certain date?
Because that’s the information that’s being told to me
Whether or not it happens remains to be seen
I haven't followed all the back and forth that closely, but there's never been a point when I thought programs would be allowed to walk away from deals that they agreed to, except for some extraordinary circumstance, which I don't see here (I was an ACC fan most of my life, and know about the nepotism shenanigans, but I never thought that was enough)...
Nobody’s walking away unscathed, it will certainly cost some money, and the exact amount apparently is TBD
But you know that information is not true. It's one thing if someone says, "I hear from a good source that the litigation is about to settle," but quite another when someone says, "gee, I hear we're leaving by date X." As you've stated, the latter isn't happening without the former.
You also might want to think about whether your sources (who, I take it, are mostly from FSU) are really in a position to know something and/or are engaged in wishful thinking as so many of us do on a topic we care about. I have not been following this anywhere near as closely as you have, but I would distrust any reports of a settlement except at a truly huge price. As I know you appreciate, this is an existential issue for the ACC --if Florida and Clemson are allowed to leave, there will be unbelievable pressure from UNC and UVa (and perhaps others) to get out as well. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see the ACC surviving the loss of all four even assuming everyone else was willing to stay. So my guess (and yes, it's just a guess) is that the ACC will fight this out unles it's offered *much* more money than anyone has talked about so far.
What in the blue hell are you taking about?
I’m getting info from guys I trust that are pretty connected to the situation.
In case you live under a rock, or are just a completely uninformed, you should know exactly what’s going out with the ACC and that there is not a chance in hell that FSU and Clemson will be in for the duration of the contract.
The only questions are when will they get out, how much will cost them, and where they will be going.
Let me put it to you in the simplest terms, there is no way two established programs like that have produced a shit ton of revenue and have millions of fans around the country are going to settle in mediocrity, because they’re in a league that is a bunch of ****ing idiots and doesn’t know how to run the business
Whether it’s this year, next year, or the next few years, they will absolutely be out, because if they’re not, you can kiss any future success of their programs, and not just football, but their entire athletic departments, goodbye
ACC commissioner: "For as long as it takes" to combat the Florida State and Clemson ill-advised lawsuits against their kith and kin conference through which they enjoy tens of millions of cash transfers per year.
The law is on the side of the conference. The contracts must be honored; no serious court would throw out agreements reached between sophisticated parties.
Slowly, stumblingly, Florida State and Clemson attorneys will advise their clients they signed concrete contracts that must be honored. That means 9-figure money raises to move on from the ACC. That is money they cannot raise.
The law is on the side of the conference. The contracts must be honored; no serious court would throw out agreements reached between sophisticated parties.
Slowly, stumblingly, Florida State and Clemson attorneys will advise their clients they signed concrete contracts that must be honored. That means 9-figure money raises to move on from the ACC. That is money they cannot raise.
Yeeeaaahhhhh…. That’s not going to happen
As things are currently constituted, with the money discrepancy soon to be $40-$50 million per year behind the SEC and B1G,
Florida and Clemson will not be in the ACC much longer.
If it gets down to it, Discovery will happen and that piece of shit league and they’re piece of shit leadership will be fully exposed
Take that to the bank, as it would be a death blow and normally football, but their entire athletic departments.
Do you think FSU will be out before 2036 if the GOR is held valid? The answer is no, of course. Any lawsuit can be settled for enough money -- but if the GOR is valid, what incentive does the ACC have to settle at any price that FSU can realistically pay? The answer is "none." Does the ACC have an incentive to settle at a reasonable price while the litigation is going on? The answer again is "no," because allowing FSU and Clemson to go kills the conference.
I understand how much FSU and its fans want to get out. But as the old song says, it's easier said than done. Sometimes you can't have what you want no matter how much you want it.
Yes they’ll be out
I’ve been told 2-3 years from when it got hit in 2023
Bad leadership, complacency, laziness and various other issues have led us to this point
All the ACC is absolutely to blame as they are the epitome of dog Shit, FSU‘s leader ship, or lack there of, prior to the current administration, left nothing to be desired.
Hence, publicly scrambling to get off of the sinking ship before it is too late
JDog
don't get upset if someone questions your sources, you should take into account very few here know your sources and have been misled at times on this or another board by someone who claimed to have impeccable sources.
On this issue you might be confident you're getting the real scoop, but there are those ( like me) that wonder if you're just getting the positive part of what's going on but the negative parts that are messing up the works are not shared with you.
I personal believe FSU is doing everything it can to get out of the ACC, but the cost will be more than they will be able to pay. I can't claim to be right, only can say that's how I feel without having inside info backing it up.
Your sources might say different, but I don't know them and can't base what I feel and say on someone else's trusted sources .
In the end it will come out in the wash , but right now the spin cycle is still going> pro and con
The guy literally told me I’m telling everybody information knowingly that is not true, it’s questioning my integrity
All I’m doing is relaying information that I have for a few trusted sources who are in the mix
I’m not making anything up, or wishing upon a star
I don’t mind being questions as when you volunteer to give information, that is part of the deal
But to say that I am intentionally misleading a message board (and more importantly, a community) that I read every day and I’m actively a part of, it’s not something I take lightly
I’ll be the first one to admit that I was wrong if this does come to fruition, and will be rubbing it in anybody’s face if it does.
As you should!
Good luck to Florida State. My team has a lot of one-sided losses invested in them, but their fans were always cool and down-to-earth. Any conference will be happy to have them...
"ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said Monday that the league would fight lawsuits with Clemson and Florida State "for as long as it takes," adding "this conference is bigger than any one school or schools" as the league prepares to enter football season embroiled in courtrooms with two of its premier programs."
"I can state that we will fight to protect the ACC and our members for as long as it takes," Phillips said. "We are confident in this league and that it will remain a premier conference in college athletics for the long-term future. These disputes continue to be extremely damaging, disruptive and incredibly harmful to the league."
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...cc-boss-fight-clemson-fsu-lawsuits-long-takes
"I can state that we will fight to protect the ACC and our members for as long as it takes," Phillips said. "We are confident in this league and that it will remain a premier conference in college athletics for the long-term future. These disputes continue to be extremely damaging, disruptive and incredibly harmful to the league."
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...cc-boss-fight-clemson-fsu-lawsuits-long-takes
What is not going to happen? Please clarify.
Florida State has written the university must pay a $572 million amount to the ACC to cancel the ACC grant of rights contract.
The arguments made by Florida State and its fans contradict the contract the university signed enthusiastically, then began whining about. This misbehavior, while entertaining to observe and comment about, will not stand up to judicial scrutiny.
Florida State hired JPMorgan to advise it on funding the university's athletic department. The reason JPMorgan was brought on is to raise money - hundreds of millions - to meet Florida State's contractually-agreed obligations to the ACC in order to leave the league. That means selling the university to a private investment firm. If I were a college sports fan, and I am, I would oppose that arrangement.
We love our schools
I love FSU and Rutgers
Can’t wait for college football season so we can finally put the pads on and see what our teams are all about this year
As they should
Too bad they didn’t have this much attention to detail and Goodwill towards members while They were getting bent over with their shitty TV deals and basketball centric leadership all those years.
Also, what’s he going to say, he knows that they are dead man walking
He kept his mouth shut when we got snubbed out of the playoffs last year like a bitch, which showed his true colors
It’s all good, they be like the big east sooner rather than later
I was told between 2 to 3 years when I first started talking about this on this board in 2023
When it’ll happen, who knows I’m just relaying what it’s been told me a few people I trust who are close to the situation
The only thing I can unequivocally say is that they will be out of the ACC long before the 2036 deal is done, unless they start getting some additional revenue which is significant, as falling $500 million behind their peers is simply not an option
You keep assuming they're guaranteed a place in either the B1G or SEC if they ever get out of the ACC. Unless they (and likely a joining partner school) individually bring in at least as much money as those leagues are currently paying per team, that doesn't seem guaranteed. Not that I have any inside information.
What sort of magical horrible secrets could exist that would have the ACC so afraid of going to discovery? Are Wake Forest and SMU and BC going to support the league settling out of court, putting themselves in a worse financial situation to avoid the terror of discovery? A lot of this sounds like wishcasting.
Most stuff is out in the open, including Swafford‘s antics, the league voting without members approvals, and other stuff
Of course Those dog shit schools will not approve anything, they’ve been milking off the tit for the last ****ing 20 years, they’d be stupid to approve anything
Nothing is wishing, there’s a lot of things out there, stating the ACC has been less than honest than their dealings, by accounts, is grounds to void the contract
As stated by me and many others ad nauseum, the likely outcome would be a settlement of some sort, to satisfy all parties
If a trifecta of Wake Forest, Syracuse and Boston College is his of exciting, I would rather jerk off with the cheese grater then have that schedule
I do think FSU can get out before 2036 but I don’t think any time soon. 2030s was always my guess but the PE news gave me some pause. I don’t hear much about that lately.
Each year that goes by, the cost to leave comes down. I don’t think the cost benefit will likely be reasonable until you get out that far though. B10 contract comes up around 2030 as well. Before the 2030s I think movement will be difficult and too costly.
The end game is they will leave,whenever that is, so even for the ACC there will come a time that settling with some incentives/benefits will be prudent for them too. But again that also comes as you get closer to the end of the deal.
At the end of the day, this is a prime example of bad things that can happen when an imcomponent administration is in charge
FSU wouldn’t be in this predicament if those in charge at the time had the least bit of foresight and knowledge of college athletics, contracts, tv deals, etc
On the contrary, to this day, I’m so grateful for Tim Pernitti, bc without him, we (Rutgers) not be in the B1G
He was so instrumental in the whole process and does not get nearly enough credit for what he did
They needed ESPN's help launching the ACC network and likely thought their own network was the wave of the future.
