OT: The official ACC all things thread

[retired711]

It’s going to go the settlement route and there’s been assurances from at least the B1G of admission once GOR is settled

Reasons for thinking, they can get out of the GOR ranch from the ACC, not holding up their end of the deal, blatantly, breaking bylaws, and acting things without members votes, exposing all their dirty laundry, as well as ESPN not extending past 2027

Here's a recent story about Florida States complaint:

https://www.si.com/college/fsu/flor...n-acc-lawsuit-ridicules-conference-management

Here's another with a link to the complaint:

https://www.tomahawknation.com/flor...lawsuit-nc-state-miami-television-court-judge

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Here's a recent story about Florida States complaint:

https://www.si.com/college/fsu/flor...n-acc-lawsuit-ridicules-conference-management

Here's another with a link to the complaint:

https://www.tomahawknation.com/flor...lawsuit-nc-state-miami-television-court-judge

Conference management is a joke
There is no other option besides leaving

You simply cannot fall 500 million behind your peers if you wish to remain elite

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Conference management is a joke
There is no other option besides leaving

You simply cannot fall 500 million behind your peers if you wish to remain elite

FSU was elite in the ACC but not so much if they go to the B1G.

Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Rutgers, USC, Washington, UCLA will not make room for Florida State.

In the B1G, FSU will become just another mediocre team competing. How is Nebraska doing in the B1G.

Money will not save them, all teams in the B1G have money.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

FSU was elite in the ACC but not so much if they go to the B1G.

Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Rutgers, USC, Washington, UCLA will not make room for Florida State.

In the B1G, FSU will become just another mediocre team competing. How is Nebraska doing in the B1G.

Money will not save them, all teams in the B1G have money.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

lol my man, you are a solid poster but have some RutgersAl tendencies

You do know when Nebraska sucks now, right?

They’re pipeline of Texas dried up, they actually hold Guys accountable and don’t let murders and rapist on the team, and Tom Osborne isn’t around anymore.

I’m not worried about about Michigan State. Or Wisconsin. Iowa?

UCLA… yup I’m terrified of them

Worry about Pitt

A once proud program playing a three-quarter empty NFL stadium that will be relegated to the big 12, who once every decade might make some noise

As long as FSU takes care of their business business down to Tallahassee , we can compete with anybody on a yearly basis

We have great tradition, beautiful campus, solid leadership is finally in place, an Elite head coach, academics arising at a rapid pace, AAU is within reach, facilities are finally getting up to snuff, a top five NIL program, Recruiting in the hot bed of the country, etc.

I don’t mind smack talk, but come prepared with some facts - like I said, you usually solid, so you’ve either been drinking early this morning or you took the RutgersAl crazy pills to develop that previous post

 

[dconifer]

They’re pipeline of Texas dried up, they actually hold Guys accountable and don’t let murders and rapist on the team, and Tom Osborne isn’t around anymore.

You have hit on the reasons why I'm possibly the only football fan in America who doesn't think Tom Osborne is football god...

 

[JayDogSmooth]

You have hit on the reasons why I'm possibly the only football fan in America who doesn't think Tom Osborne is football god...

Some of the stuff he allowed was Baylor-esque

All the great ones let guys get away with stuff. Hell, even Bobby bent the rules from time to time.

But that in Nebraska stuff in the 90s was next level

 

[Scarlet16E]

once again the B1G does not go along with the loudest rumors relative to expansion.
All the noise out there about FSU to the B1G was the clearest indication that it was not happening.
Never say never, but the B1G makes quiet deals and does not do any of this stuff in public.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

once again the B1G does not go along with the loudest rumors relative to expansion.
All the noise out there about FSU to the B1G was the clearest indication that it was not happening.
Never say never, but the B1G makes quiet deals and does not do any of this stuff in public.

Of course they’re not gonna go public and go along with it, and say to the media that they are pursuing a team in another conference who is in the middle of suing said conference

There would be no upside and it would open them up for possible legal repercussions

Again, all I will say is if you think that FSU has been publicly doing this without assurances of admission into at least the big ten, then I don’t know what to tell you

 

[Scarlet16E]

Of course they’re not gonna go public and go along with it, and say to the media that they are pursuing a team in another conference who is in the middle of suing said conference

There would be no upside and it would open them up for possible legal repercussions

Again, all I will say is if you think that FSU has been publicly doing this without assurances of admission into at least the big ten, then I don’t know what to tell you

I'm not talking about press releases. I'm talking about the noise out there. That includes "insiders" feeding information to others who post it on message boards like this one. That just does not happen when there is an actual negotiation with the B1G happening.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I'm not talking about press releases. I'm talking about the noise out there. That includes "insiders" feeding information to others who post it on message boards like this one. That just does not happen when there is an actual negotiation with the B1G happening.

As we all know, the Big Ten does not operate in noise - Neither does the SEC

They do things covertly, and do them well

We as fans and predicts, pontificate, and hope all we want, but at the end of the day, the guys pulling the strings in the conferences will do what’s best for business

 

[RuSnp]

Of course they’re not gonna go public and go along with it, and say to the media that they are pursuing a team in another conference who is in the middle of suing said conference

There would be no upside and it would open them up for possible legal repercussions

Again, all I will say is if you think that FSU has been publicly doing this without assurances of admission into at least the big ten, then I don’t know what to tell you

I keep reading your and some others point in the last paragraph but that's not the only possible explanation. It borders on wishful thinking that it "must mean we have an offer already."

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I keep reading your and some others point in the last paragraph but that's not the only possible explanation. It borders on wishful thinking that it "must mean we have an offer already."

I’ve been explicitly told that there are assurances of Big Ten entry once the GOR situation is straightened out

Who exactly from B1G and FSU had those conversations is beyond me

Conference expansion and recruiting with the “follow the visits” mantra is the same.

Essentially, if things make financial sense for both parties, deals are swung and teams move conferences.

If it doesn’t make financial sense for both parties, then things will stay status quo

 

[Panthergrowl13]

lol my man, you are a solid poster but have some RutgersAl tendencies

You do know when Nebraska sucks now, right?

They’re pipeline of Texas dried up, they actually hold Guys accountable and don’t let murders and rapist on the team, and Tom Osborne isn’t around anymore.

I’m not worried about about Michigan State. Or Wisconsin. Iowa?

UCLA… yup I’m terrified of them

Worry about Pitt

A once proud program playing a three-quarter empty NFL stadium that will be relegated to the big 12, who once every decade might make some noise

As long as FSU takes care of their business business down to Tallahassee , we can compete with anybody on a yearly basis

We have great tradition, beautiful campus, solid leadership is finally in place, an Elite head coach, academics arising at a rapid pace, AAU is within reach, facilities are finally getting up to snuff, a top five NIL program, Recruiting in the hot bed of the country, etc.

I don’t mind smack talk, but come prepared with some facts - like I said, you usually solid, so you’ve either been drinking early this morning or you took the RutgersAl crazy pills to develop that previous post

I'll bring some facts to the discussion.

Pitt does not play to a 3/4 empty stadium. Using data from Phil Steele's 2024 Football Magazine and how we compare to Rutgers and Maryland for home attendance per game. Also remember Pitt was 3-9 last year.

Rutgers Home Football attendance 49,251 (#44)
Pitt Home Football attendance 48,122 (#47)
Maryland Football Home attendance 40,314 (#56)

As I tried to explain, playing in an NFL Stadium (Acrisure) located 3.5 miles from campus for 7 home football games a year is not a negative as some posters make it out to be. Pitt has very favorable financial terms.

Why spend $ 750 million or more for a new on campus stadium (used only 7 times per year) when you can direct funds toward Research Facilities that can be utilized 24/7.

All of Pitt's Health Care Programs are ranked in the Top 20 (US News "Americas Best Graduate Programs).

Supporting the University Health Programs is the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC).

UPMC is an integrated Global nonprofit Health enterprise comprising 40 Hospitals and over 100,000 employees.

As I stated in a previous post UPMC is now spending $1.5 Billion for a new 17 story on campus special medicine tower that is targeted to open in 2026.

How does Pitt compare to FSU from attracting research dollars and research expenditures.

Pitt is an AAU Research University that utilizes annual research grants amounting to $1.16 Billion per year and is ranked #50 in US News Global Ranking.

FSU is aspiring to become an AAU Research University and has research expeditures of about $400 million per year and is ranked #305 in US News Global Ranking.

Bottom line Pitt brings in over $700 million more per year than FSU from a Research perspective (More money in Rsearch vs Sports).

Now I do think that FSU will be able to become an AAU University some time in the future and is a good academic school.

However, I do think FSU will have a hard time dominating in the B1G (if accepted) as they had in the ACC. I think the days of FSU being 12-0 to 10-2 will be over. Additionally, I wonder if FSU would want to keep their annual game (OOC) with the University of Florida and risk the potential loss.

I do think that the FSU case will be resolved via the Courts and the ACC will not negotiate a settlement (appeals likely). Texas and Oklahoma had to pay $50 million each to leave the Big 12 for 1 year and Maryland had to pay about the same to leave the ACC.
FSU is facing a 10 year GOR payment.

As for Pitt, I am confident that the ACC will survive and Pitt will continue to do well in sports and financially prosper.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[RuSnp]

I'll bring some facts to the discussion.

Pitt does not play to a 3/4 empty stadium. Using data from Phil Steele's 2024 Football Magazine and how we compare to Rutgers and Maryland for home attendance per game. Also remember Pitt was 3-9 last year.

Rutgers Home Football attendance 49,251 (#44)
Pitt Home Football attendance 48,122 (#47)
Maryland Football Home attendance 40,314 (#56)

As I tried to explain, playing in an NFL Stadium (Acrisure) located 3.5 miles from campus for 7 home football games a year is not a negative as some posters make it out to be. Pitt has very favorable financial terms.

Why spend $ 750 million or more for a new on campus stadium (used only 7 times per year) when you can direct funds toward Research Facilities that can be utilized 24/7.

All of Pitt's Health Care Programs are ranked in the Top 20 (US News "Americas Best Graduate Programs).

Supporting the University Health Programs is the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC).

UPMC is an integrated Global nonprofit Health enterprise comprising 40 Hospitals and over 100,000 employees.

As I stated in a previous post UPMC is now spending $1.5 Billion for a new 17 story on campus special medicine tower that is targeted to open in 2026.

How does Pitt compare to FSU from attracting research dollars and research expenditures.

Pitt is an AAU Research University that utilizes annual research grants amounting to $1.16 Billion per year and is ranked #50 in US News Global Ranking.

FSU is aspiring to become an AAU Research University and has research expeditures of about $400 million per year and is ranked #305 in US News Global Ranking.

Bottom line Pitt brings in over $700 million more per year than FSU from a Research perspective (More money in Rsearch vs Sports).

Now I do think that FSU will be able to become an AAU University some time in the future and is a good academic school.

However, I do think FSU will have a hard time dominating in the B1G (if accepted) as they had in the ACC. I think the days of FSU being 12-0 to 10-2 will be over. Additionally, I wonder if FSU would want to keep their annual game (OOC) with the University of Florida and risk the potential loss.

I do think that the FSU case will be resolved via the Courts and the ACC will not negotiate a settlement (appeals likely). Texas and Oklahoma had to pay $50 million each to leave the Big 12 for 1 year and Maryland had to pay about the same to leave the ACC.
FSU is facing a 10 year GOR payment.

As for Pitt, I am confident that the ACC will survive and Pitt will continue to do well in sports and financially prosper.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

I'd be very curious on the recruiting trail how the topic of an NFL stadium plays. I could see it being beneficial with some kids and a negative with others. And on that note I wonder if other coaches negatively recruit based on it. I really don't know the answer but would love some facts on that, because you're point about saving funds for other areas does make sense.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I'll bring some facts to the discussion.

Pitt does not play to a 3/4 empty stadium. Using data from Phil Steele's 2024 Football Magazine and how we compare to Rutgers and Maryland for home attendance per game. Also remember Pitt was 3-9 last year.

Rutgers Home Football attendance 49,251 (#44)
Pitt Home Football attendance 48,122 (#47)
Maryland Football Home attendance 40,314 (#56)

As I tried to explain, playing in an NFL Stadium (Acrisure) located 3.5 miles from campus for 7 home football games a year is not a negative as some posters make it out to be. Pitt has very favorable financial terms.

Why spend $ 750 million or more for a new on campus stadium (used only 7 times per year) when you can direct funds for Research Facilities that can be utilized 24/7.

All of Pitt's Health Care Programs are ranked in the Top 20 (US News "Americas Best Graduate Programs).

Supporting the University Health Programs is the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC).

UPMC is an integrated Global nonprofit Health enterprise comprising 40 Hospitals and over 100,000 employees.

As I stated in a previous post UPMC is now spending $1.5 Billion for a new 17 story on campus special medicine tower that is targeted to open in 2026.

How does Pitt compare to FSU from attracting research dollars and research expenditures.

Pitt is an AAU Research University that utilizes annual research grants amounting to $1.16 Billion per year and is ranked #50 in US News Global Ranking.

FSU is aspiring to become an AAU Research University and has research expeditures of about $400 million per year and is ranked #305 in US News Global Ranking.

Bottom line Pitt brings in over $700 million more per year than FSU from a Research perspective (More money in Rsearch vs Sports).

Now I do think that FSU will be able to become an AAU University some time in the future and is a good academic school.

However, I do think FSU will have a hard time dominating in the B1G (if accepted) as they had in the ACC. I think the days of FSU being 12-0 to 10-2 will be over. Additionally, I wonder if FSU would want to keep their annual game (OOC) with the University of Florida and risk the potential loss.

I do think that the FSU case will be resolved via the Courts and the ACC will not negotiate a settlement (appeals likely). Texas and Oklahoma had to pay $50 million each to leave the Big 12 for 1 year and Maryland had to payed about the same to leave the ACC.
FSU is facing a 10 year GOR payment.

As for Pitt, I am confident that the ACC will survive and Pitt will continue to do well in sports and financially prosper.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

What’s your actual vs paid attendance?

Unless a name team comes in, I’d be shocked if average paid eclipsed 35k / average

Awesome you have good terms but you should have torn down or remodeled the old Pitt Stadium

Nobody’s arguing Pitt academics, medical lr research - they’re all first class

I never said they’d dominate the B1G. Far from it actually

Michigan
Ohio state
USC
Penn state
Oregon
*** All big time programs

Wash
Rutgers
Iowa
Sparty
Wiscy
*** All legit programs

Buckeye is still the top dog. They’re the standard

Michigan isn’t going anywhere
And if USC learns how to play D, watch out

I’d expect FSU to compete them on a yearly basis, but running roughshod through the league won’t be happening

Solid teams I listed won’t be pushovers and will be competitive games, much more so then the ACC

But the day I start fearing Iowa and Michigan state is the day Norvell needs to go

Again, a settlement is what’ll happen

Both parties have too much to lose by letting this go to court

Pitt will land in the B12 and rekindle the Brawl with WVU

Hopefully FSU lands in the B1G
As long as they’re getting paid big boy $$$, that’s really all the matters

 

[megadrone]

I'd be very curious on the recruiting trail how the topic of an NFL stadium plays. I could see it being beneficial with some kids and a negative with others. And on that note I wonder if other coaches negatively recruit based on it. I really don't know the answer but would love some facts on that, because you're point about saving funds for other areas does make sense.

The stadium is more or less co-branded, right? Panther logos throughout I think. It was a true partnership unlike the Philadelphia situation where the Eagles were pretty much forced to take Temple on as tenants.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

I'd be very curious on the recruiting trail how the topic of an NFL stadium plays. I could see it being beneficial with some kids and a negative with others. And on that note I wonder if other coaches negatively recruit based on it. I really don't know the answer but would love some facts on that, because you're point about saving funds for other areas does make sense.

Pitt for most part attracts Rival 3-star recruits with potential and develops them into good football player.

In the last 4 years Pitt has had 17 football players drafted into the NFL (7 Rounds). It would have been 18 if we could have counted WR Jordan Addison who won the Bilitnikoff Award while at Pitt but then transferred to USC.

PITT NFL Draft: Players
2021-6
2022-2
2023-6
2024-3

I don't think playing in an NFL Stadium from a recruiting perspective is as much a negative as some make it out to be.

I think players want to be able to go to the NFL and will play for teams that they think will give them a good shot at making it.

Now for the Rival 5/4 star players, I think the Top programs that would get those players anyway will now have to pay for them (NIL).

In the last 4 years I believe FSU has had 16 players drafted into the NFL (7 Rounds).

FSU NFL Draft: Players
2021-4
2022-1
2023-1
2024-10

The fact that Pitt had more NFL draft picks in the last 4 years than FSU was actually a little surprising.

FSU recruits many Rival 5/4 Star players but it did not seem to matter in the end when it came to the number of players being drafted into the NFL compared to Pitt.

Actually, Narduzzi has to be commended for achieving such results. I guess he recruits players by telling them they have as good a chance of playing in the NFL by coming to Pitt as going elsewhere.


HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[Panthergrowl13]

The stadium is more or less co-branded, right? Panther logos throughout I think. It was a true partnership unlike the Philadelphia situation where the Eagles were pretty much forced to take Temple on as tenants.

The Stadium is co-branded.

The Pittsburgh Stadium Authority actually runs the facility. They and the Steelers (Rooney Family) have been great partners.

What some people do not know is UPMC has installed practice facilities (complex) on the South Side which are used by both Pitt and the Steelers.

Works well for all parties.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[satnom]

JDog and Ridge22 on FSU leaving ACC.

GO RU

 

[JayDogSmooth]

JDog and Ridge22 on FSU leaving ACC.

GO RU

 

[bigmatt718]

What about Virginia Tech as a possible B1G target especially if they get AAU status alongside FSU in the coming years? VT is also on the short list for AAU status and they fit more of the B1G persona than UVA does. I'm far more open to VT as a B1G school than Clemson.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

What about Virginia Tech as a possible B1G target especially if they get AAU status alongside FSU in the coming years? VT is also on the short list for AAU status and they fit more of the B1G persona than UVA does. I'm far more open to VT as a B1G school than Clemson.

I always looked at VT as more SEC and UVA as more big 10

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Not really on topic, but I will be sad if the ACC dies. I started watching when there were seven teams (South Carolina had left, a few years prior to Georgia Tech's arrival). There'll never be an event as exciting and nerve-wracking as the ACC basketball tournament back in the days when there were always a bunch of nationally elite teams competing for a single NCAA berth. Football was fun, too.

Things have changed, and I don't resent or regret my team's departure (they weren't exactly a league favorite), but I will always be an ACC dude in my heart...

Appreciate the comments and be reassured the ACC is not going away.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Appreciate the comments and be reassured the ACC is not going away.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

It beehoves everyone sans Cuse, BC & Wake if it did go away

Noles, Heels & Clemson out soon

League goes to shit as soon as they leave, Pitt goes to B12

 

[MADHAT1]

It beehoves everyone sans Cuse, BC & Wake if it did go away

Noles, Heels & Clemson out soon

League goes to shit as soon as they leave, Pitt goes to B12

I believe the ACC is destined to break apart and become a poaching contest between the B1G and SEC with the B-12 scavenging the best of what's left.
Either Miami or FSU will become BIG and Florida will prevent the other from being A sec MEMBER
Pitt will go to the Vitamin Conference (only because PSU will fight to keep them out of the B1G)
One good thing about that will be the Backyard Brawl ( one of the best rivalry games) will be assured every year.
But , in my opinion, 2030 will be when this has a chance to happen because brefore 2030 the cost of leaving the ACC would be too expensive for FSU to pay .
FSU and Clemcon wouyld have to play a waiting game while North Carolina and the others would be looking to landing spots once the ACC allowd FSU to buy it's way out at a price FSU was able to pay

 

[WhoRU?]

It’s financial malpractice for any university trustee to agree to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to leave the ACC for the B-12. I get that everyone is pissed about the contract, but at some point the presidents need to fire the commissioner and try to renegotiate. The ACC is currently a better conference than the B-12. If the contract can be broken, then the conference should break it on behalf of all its members.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

It’s financial malpractice for any university trustee to agree to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to leave the ACC for the B-12. I get that everyone is pissed about the contract, but at some point the presidents need to fire the commissioner and try to renegotiate. The ACC is currently a better conference than the B-12. If the contract can be broken, then the conference should break it on behalf of all its members.

Any school that has championship aspirations needs out asap

That, or a large increase in money to compete with the B1G and SEC

Doesn’t matter where one plays pending the $$ is commensurate with your peers

SEC
B10
B12

ACC
AAC
Mountain west

Sun belt
MAC
Big South
Colonial

Big North
Skyland
Mountain Valley

Patriot League
Outer space
Subway with Chas Douwd

Matters not, except the bottom line yearly revenue $$$

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Appreciate the comments and be reassured the ACC is not going away.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

You guys are a pretty good fit for the B12. I’ll think you will land there.

 

[letitrip2]

I'll bring some facts to the discussion.

Pitt does not play to a 3/4 empty stadium. Using data from Phil Steele's 2024 Football Magazine and how we compare to Rutgers and Maryland for home attendance per game. Also remember Pitt was 3-9 last year.

Rutgers Home Football attendance 49,251 (#44)
Pitt Home Football attendance 48,122 (#47)
Maryland Football Home attendance 40,314 (#56)

As I tried to explain, playing in an NFL Stadium (Acrisure) located 3.5 miles from campus for 7 home football games a year is not a negative as some posters make it out to be. Pitt has very favorable financial terms.

Why spend $ 750 million or more for a new on campus stadium (used only 7 times per year) when you can direct funds toward Research Facilities that can be utilized 24/7.

All of Pitt's Health Care Programs are ranked in the Top 20 (US News "Americas Best Graduate Programs).

Supporting the University Health Programs is the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC).

UPMC is an integrated Global nonprofit Health enterprise comprising 40 Hospitals and over 100,000 employees.

As I stated in a previous post UPMC is now spending $1.5 Billion for a new 17 story on campus special medicine tower that is targeted to open in 2026.

How does Pitt compare to FSU from attracting research dollars and research expenditures.

Pitt is an AAU Research University that utilizes annual research grants amounting to $1.16 Billion per year and is ranked #50 in US News Global Ranking.

FSU is aspiring to become an AAU Research University and has research expeditures of about $400 million per year and is ranked #305 in US News Global Ranking.

Bottom line Pitt brings in over $700 million more per year than FSU from a Research perspective (More money in Rsearch vs Sports).

Now I do think that FSU will be able to become an AAU University some time in the future and is a good academic school.

However, I do think FSU will have a hard time dominating in the B1G (if accepted) as they had in the ACC. I think the days of FSU being 12-0 to 10-2 will be over. Additionally, I wonder if FSU would want to keep their annual game (OOC) with the University of Florida and risk the potential loss.

I do think that the FSU case will be resolved via the Courts and the ACC will not negotiate a settlement (appeals likely). Texas and Oklahoma had to pay $50 million each to leave the Big 12 for 1 year and Maryland had to pay about the same to leave the ACC.
FSU is facing a 10 year GOR payment.

As for Pitt, I am confident that the ACC will survive and Pitt will continue to do well in sports and financially prosper.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Can we get Pitt to replace Penn State? Been out to Pittsburgh several times over the past few years - Really nice game day experience and their fans are very nice and respectful. The city is fun with lots to do. And unlike the erector set stadium in the middle of nowhere, Acrisure in not filled with cult members.

 

[hinson32]

FSU was elite in the ACC but not so much if they go to the B1G.

Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Rutgers, USC, Washington, UCLA will not make room for Florida State.

In the B1G, FSU will become just another mediocre team competing. How is Nebraska doing in the B1G.

Money will not save them, all teams in the B1G have money.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Agree. I am not sure leaving the ACC is good for Florida State in terms of winning.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Agree. I am not sure leaving the ACC is good for Florida State in terms of winning.

The B1G will definitely be a significant step up in componention

But it’s not just about football - this would benefit all sports

Football pays the bills and gets the norariaty, but it’s important to be competitive across the board, as long as it’s not at the expense of football

 

[airspace]

I can give you several Billion reasons why Florida State University is interested in the Big 10. And it is not sports related (does help).

Most Big 10 schools have operating budgets in the 4 to 6 Billion dollar range. Florida State has an operating budget just over 3 Billion.

Wisconsin has an operating budget right at 9 Billion. PSU and OSU are over 10 Billion. University of Washington is at 12.5 Billion and UM is over 14 Billion.

OSU's athletic budget is right around 250 Million. Some where between 2% to 3% of Ohio State's operating budget. They are in the process of completing a $1.9 Billion hospital.

Go where the real money is.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I can give you several Billion reasons why Florida State University is interested in the Big 10. And it is not sports related (does help).

Most Big 10 schools have operating budgets in the 4 to 6 Billion dollar range. Florida State has an operating budget just over 3 Billion.

Wisconsin has an operating budget right at 9 Billion. PSU and OSU are over 10 Billion. University of Washington is at 12.5 Billion and UM is over 14 Billion.

OSU's athletic budget is right around 250 Million. Some where between 2% to 3% of Ohio State's operating budget. They are in the process of completing a $1.9 Billion hospital.

Go where the real money is.

Can’t argue with any of that

Although, if they decided to demphasize sports, they would not be a candidate

 

[Nycrusupporter]

It’s financial malpractice for any university trustee to agree to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to leave the ACC for the B-12. I get that everyone is pissed about the contract, but at some point the presidents need to fire the commissioner and try to renegotiate. The ACC is currently a better conference than the B-12. If the contract can be broken, then the conference should break it on behalf of all its members.

Just because the BIG and SEC have big media deals doesn’t mean the ACC deal is unfair, or that they could get a better deal. The PAC12 thought this, passed on an offer that was basically on par with the ACC deal, and then found out the hard way that no one else was coming anywhere close to that, causing the conference to disintegrate.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Just because the BIG and SEC have big media deals doesn’t mean the ACC deal is unfair, or that they could get a better deal. The PAC12 thought this, passed on an offer that was basically on par with the ACC deal, and then found out the hard way that no one else was coming anywhere close to that, causing the conference to disintegrate.

It’s not an unfair deal

What the issue is stems from the ACC’s lack of trying to make it better for their member schools

 

[Panthergrowl13]

I can give you several Billion reasons why Florida State University is interested in the Big 10. And it is not sports related (does help).

Most Big 10 schools have operating budgets in the 4 to 6 Billion dollar range. Florida State has an operating budget just over 3 Billion.

Wisconsin has an operating budget right at 9 Billion. PSU and OSU are over 10 Billion. University of Washington is at 12.5 Billion and UM is over 14 Billion.

OSU's athletic budget is right around 250 Million. Some where between 2% to 3% of Ohio State's operating budget. They are in the process of completing a $1.9 Billion hospital.

Go where the real money is.

LOL

Operating budgets without context are meaningless.

Would you expect a University that has a student body of 90,000 students to have an operating budget larger than a University with a student body of only 30,000 students.

Also who is the entity who will be giving Florida State Billions of dollars more (B1G Schools or the State Government of those schools).

Will the State of Florida now be giving FSU Billions more for their operating budget (compared to UF) because they are in the B1G.

B1G schools have Big operating budgets because they have BIG student bodies.

Pitt (32,000 student body) has an operating budget of $3.2 Billion and Penn State (90,000 student body) has an operating budget of $9.9 Billion.

I don't think the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will give Pitt more money if we got in the B1G.

FSU needs to pursue their goal of becoming an AAU Research University if they want significantly more money.

When comparing Sports income to Research Income, Research wins.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Agree. I am not sure leaving the ACC is good for Florida State in terms of winning.

Florida State may make more money in the B1G but it will come at the cost of them no longer dominating a conference.

FSU football will go from a team going 12-0/ 10-2 in the ACC to a team going 9-3/7-5 in the B1G.

FSU students/alums will have to get used to their new reality in the B1G.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Florida State may make more money in the B1G but it will come at the cost of them no longer dominating a conference.

FSU football will go from a team going 12-0/ 10-2 in the ACC to a team going 9-3/7-5 in the B1G.

FSU students/alums will have to get used to their new reality in the B1G.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

We haven’t consistently dominated anything for an extended period of time since the end of the Top 5 streak / beginning of the Lost Decade, nearly 25 years ago

Clemson was the dominant program, winning 9 straight ACC titles and 2 nattys

To dominate consistently in the day and age is a rarity. You know we need dominant players, but you need any elite head coach, and a coaching staff to remain in place, along with no obstacles

What Saban did at bama and Dabo did at Clemson are both remarkable feats, likewise what Bobby did at FSU from 87 to 99

Thanks started to become unraveled for FSU as soon as assistant coaches (Richt & Chuck the chest specifically) started leaving, and Bobby started aging

Jimbo had us rolling, and it looked like another dynasty was about to form, but he was also savvy enough to know that Clemson was right on our heels

Then the perfect storm happened in a negative Way, which David Hale highlights in a very good article he wrote on espn.com about three years ago, and Clemson, to their credit, took the mantle and ran it

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Florida State may make more money in the B1G but it will come at the cost of them no longer dominating a conference.

FSU football will go from a team going 12-0/ 10-2 in the ACC to a team going 9-3/7-5 in the B1G.

FSU students/alums will have to get used to their new reality in the B1G.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Regardless of the conference, the standard of excellence has been establish, and consistently going seven and five will not cut it Tallahassee

With a tougher conference schedule and playoff, 9-3 would be the expected floor most years, With either 10 and two or 11 and one the expectation in years things are looking good

Consistently going Seven and five will get your ass fired quickly at FSU

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Regardless of the conference, the standard of excellence has been establish, and consistently going seven and five will not cut it Tallahassee

With a tougher conference schedule and playoff, 9-3 would be the expected floor most years, With either 10 and two or 11 and one the expectation in years things are looking good

Consistently going Seven and five will get your ass fired quickly at FSU

I have nothing against Florida State and until recently have been a good and supportive ACC school.

However, FSU will be in for an unpleasant surprise (IMHO) if they think they will maintain the same significance in the B1G as they enjoyed in the ACC. FSU has always had an edge in the ACC because of their recruiting advantage compared to other ACC schools.

That recruiting advantage will evaporate when/if they they are admitted to the NEW B1G (B1G schools including USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon).

As I stated in a previous post, I was a little bit surprised that in the last 4 years FSU only had 16 players (7 Rounds) drafted into the NFL.

Pitt like many other ACC teams mostly relies on Rival 3-star players to compete with the Top recruiting teams who get the Rival 5/4 Star players (Believe in the new NIL era those same teams will still get those Rival 5/4 star players but will now have to pay for them via NIL).

Pitt in the last 4 years had 17 players (7 rounds) drafted into the NFL (18 if could have counted WR Jorden Addison). The fact that Pitt had more players drafted into the NFL than FSU was surprising.

In the B1G, FSU will also be competing against the OLD Traditional B1G Powers like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State etc.

Teams like Rutgers are also trying to raise their profile in the B1G but like Pitt recruit mostly Rival 3-star players.

In the New B1G, FSU will be facing other recruiting juggernauts.

Lets look at Penn State for example and how many players they put in the NFL in the last four years.

Penn State players drafted into the NFL (7 Rounds):

2021-6
2022-8
2023-6
2024-8

Penn State put 28 players in the NFL compared to 16 for FSU in the last 4 years.

You can go through the same NFL exercise with Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Washington etc. if you wish.

Don't get me wrong, FSU is a good football program but their fans/alums will have to adjust their expectations for success in the NEW BIG.

FSU fans/alums may have to trade WINS for MONEY (IMHO) in the New B1G.

Any comments from other Rutgers Board Posters on this subject.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!