Yea that’s what I said about Rutgers and Maryland earlier. Thanks for reiterating. If the game was still about cable carry fees Cal and Stanford would have been taken over Oregon and Washington. And UCONN wouldn’t be left out on an island.
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SMU has the potential to be a top tier program in the country
Post death penalty and Prior to NIL, they had no shot of ever being relavent
This is precisely why I am in favor of NIL
SMU might get back to being close to what they were in the SWC, before being hit with the
"Death Penalty"
Mustang booster seem to be stepping up and trying to bring back the SWC type program SMU was.
College football and conferences are evolving and teams that were good in the past may not be so good in the future.
I'm sure Rutgers plans to improve to a Tier 1-2 team in the NEW B1G.
All the new teams coming into the B1G I'm sure think they will be just as good as they were in their old conference.
Will just have to wait to see how it all plays out.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
The top talent will funnel into the P2 conferences. It’s already happening. We have the resources, the coaching, the exposure, the money, Etc.
The P2 will either keep the ACC and Big12 as punching bags moving forward, giving them 2-3 spots total in a playoffs. Can't compete with less than 50% $$ and perception of being a weaker conference ..or just jump to 20-24 teams each in the P2 and do a 40-48 breakaway.
I prefer the former...
If Private Equity can entice Bama and Ohio State, there might be a 30 team Brand breakaway, but that seems unlikely as eventually you will see some brands become perennial losers.
I prefer the former...
If Private Equity can entice Bama and Ohio State, there might be a 30 team Brand breakaway, but that seems unlikely as eventually you will see some brands become perennial losers.
All the B1G alumni living the Megalopolis was another reason why RU and Maryland were selected.
Recruits will go to teams that they believe can provide them the best opportunity to play in the NFL.
Why sit on the bench until you graduate.
Pitt for example had 17 recruits drafted into the NFL (7 Rounds) in the last 4 years while Rutgers had 4 recruits drafted into the NFL in the last 4 years.
Pitt's NFL draft numbers also exceed many other B1G teams.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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This doesn’t reflect today’s college football. Even if kids don’t need the money, they will go to schools that value them fairly. The $$$ isn’t just about financial stability, it’s about showing how much a school values them… Some kids might be willing to take a little less to stay home or to be part of a cultural fit, but you need to be in the ballpark with $$$. And let’s not kid ourselves, there are some who are looking for financial stability. This is why schools are trying so hard to get into the P2. It’s also why the B1G and SEC are going to be reluctant to open the membership books.
Current SEC schools and B1G schools dominated the draft this year and that is only going to become more pronounced moving forward. Better resources, better coaching, more players in the NFL, better exposure, better competition, etc.
Because this is a football board.
Conference realignment can impact the B1G.
All ACC topics got rolled into one, so our vast # of OT topics wouldn't be impacted in the off season.
It is one of the more relevant threads to the football board.
I for one, rather enjoy reading the potential movement when it comes to realignment.
This topic has had great discussions from different POVs & hasn't gone off the rails.
Also FSU might be considered a potential B1G member if they can get out of the ACC.
Agreed. Also I believe others have claimed UNC is desired if ACC falls apart( after ND of course).
Although I don't get it, I guess I'm not over their fake classes for athletes & don't understand how that doesn't negatively impact their academic reputation.
You don't have to overthink it. NC as a state is 9th by population and UNC is an elite public institution - top 5 by USNWR. Inroads into the south, the BIG's clearest weakness. Top 10 (fuzzy here) state for high school football talent, depending on the metric. Guys like Dexter Lawrence, Brandon Spikes etc. And they are a true blue blood for basketball to add some frosting. Even football hasn't been elite but you have LT and top 40 all-time in wins.
A no-brainer addition.
Maryland has been in the B1G for a decade now and has an ACC ring in football more recently than more than half the ACC. Miami, Cuse, and BC sure contributed to the goose eggs in the ACC in football.
Pitt is a great school. And the only one from the old BE that I still pull for. Much in common with RU. But your near and mid-term future look F'd right now. Either the Big 12 or a neutered ACC (with even lower payouts than today) seem almost guaranteed within the next 1-2 years. May not be fair, but it is your reality.
If a football centric thread on a football centric message board doesn’t interest you (ironic, considering theres 547 other off-topic posts on page 1 of this board, most having nothing to do with football), especially when one of the prominent schools mentioned is a serious candidate for the B1G sooner rather than later…. You may want join another board
Agree
And this is precisely why I love NIL
Prior to NIL, Pitt was toast
As in, never seriously competing again in any of our lifetimes
Now, thanks to NIL, they at least have hope
Spoke to my guy last night and got this update (quoted in typical J-Dog style, clearly not verbatim)
“Things are status quo.
Powers that be are weighing early exit vs 2027 end of league due to ESPN not renewing contract - if $ discrepancy per year vs negioated buyout makes sense, they’ll go that route.
If not, they’ll wait til 2027 (there’s other ancillary issues at stake as well (increased Ticket sales, merchandise, impact on Tallahassee economy, etc) rather than just numbers with the buyout versus the new league pants payouts)
Moody (Florida AG) is a boss and really helped us w the lawsuit exposing those frauds.”
Thankfully the season is starting soon so we can focus on the fun stuff rather than the business aspect of things
“Things are status quo.
Powers that be are weighing early exit vs 2027 end of league due to ESPN not renewing contract - if $ discrepancy per year vs negioated buyout makes sense, they’ll go that route.
If not, they’ll wait til 2027 (there’s other ancillary issues at stake as well (increased Ticket sales, merchandise, impact on Tallahassee economy, etc) rather than just numbers with the buyout versus the new league pants payouts)
Moody (Florida AG) is a boss and really helped us w the lawsuit exposing those frauds.”
Thankfully the season is starting soon so we can focus on the fun stuff rather than the business aspect of things
Precisely why any school with a glimmer of hope of competing for titles is looking to leave
Coaches Poll is out. Top 10 are…
SEC
B1G
B1G
SEC
SEC
SEC
Notre Dame
B1G
B1G
FSU who is suing the ACC to try and leave to the B1G/SEC
Still having trouble visualizing the P2?
10 is super ambitious
We lost a ton of guys
Mikes not consistently recruiting at the level where you can simply reload every year like Bobby used to (although last year’s class and this year’s class, if repeated, will certainly change things in that regard), and there’s no way he can keep hitting gems in the portal at the ungodly rate he’s been doing it
Just goes to show how bad the ACC is
If they’re in the B1G/SEC, they’d be ranked 15-20ish
F !! noter lame and their bullshit obligatory pre-season top ten stank...
Fair point. Actual on field results should count more .
Did you happen to see playoffs last year?
B1G vs SEC
SEC vs B1G
If you look at the actual National Championships in the last 15 years it looks more like a P-1 with the SEC.
The football season will be beginning soon and the Rutgers game against VT should be an interesting match up we can discuss.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
No one is talking about 15 years. I am talking about the P2. That’s a new phenomenon where the consolidation of money, exposure, brands, and talent has taken place. It’s a new dawn for everyone but those who put their heads in the sand. Like it or not, there is no P4. That’s the point.
Usually the ACC end up worse in the final polls
But Rutgers ranked 8-12 in most power rankings @ Vtech ranked 5-6 in ACC will give an idea for sure. But these are Preseason expectations.
Your opinion is respected but the actual results in the next 15 years need to be determined.
Speculation is not verification.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Commen sense is a virtue that Utah fans could have used.
Speculating that a routine fly ball will be caught every time is common sense. You would argue that the sun can get in the way or that a bird will fly into the ball. But the latter is less than 1% chance.
Speculating that
The SEC and B10 are the P2
Or
ACC without FSU / Clemson is a clear 4th conference
Are pretty much guarantees and not speculation. Putting your head in the sand and saying let's see the results doesn't change that.
When I hear B12 fans say that Pitt is the new Utah, they speaking truth.
Nope. No conference will marry them until the divorce agreement is final. Which it ain't.
Negative
Details and court proceedings still being worked out
February is ESPN date they have to announce if they’ll extend things
Bc
Rohan is a good listen on multiple podcasts and has access to FSU leadership
He believes (as do I, and many others) that this gets resolved between 8-16-24 and 2-1-25
Latest info indicates 50/50 between going to B1G and SEC, with a payout in the neighborhood of 200 million
The other unlikely scenario being floated (similar to the B12 theory - not impossible, but pretty much DOA) is ESPN telling the ACC no mas for 2027 and beyond unless you give fsu & Clemson ~80-90 mil/year to stay (based on media revenue historically) through the duration of the contract, with a handful of others getting a little more than half that, and the rest getting ~1/3 of the 2 big dogs (and espn’s payout the league remains the same)
Bc it’s another step (and a rather important one) in the battle to get out
Rohan is a good listen on multiple podcasts and has access to FSU leadership
He believes (as do I, and many others) that this gets resolved between 8-16-24 and 2-1-25
Latest info indicates 50/50 between going to B1G and SEC, with a payout in the neighborhood of 200 million
The other unlikely scenario being floated (similar to the B12 theory - not impossible, but pretty much DOA) is ESPN telling the ACC no mas for 2027 and beyond unless you give fsu & Clemson ~80-90 mil/year to stay (based on media revenue historically) through the duration of the contract, with a handful of others getting a little more than half that, and the rest getting ~1/3 of the 2 big dogs (and espn’s payout the league remains the same)
It's a purely procedural step if the ACC has no desire to settle at this point. Do you think there will be some ACC epiphany when FSU asks to get out for a fraction of the GOR and the ACC goes "you know what.... sure let's do that."
