just because we screwed up in the past with hirings and firings doesn't mean that we shouldn't do it if necessary, difference now is we are in the Big 10, need to raise $100 million and have to shit or get off the pot
OTB open Letter to Hobbs on Basketball Mess
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You are not getting Larranaga, Shaka Smart, Collins to come here. Any coach you think has been successful has developed it for a period of years, or comes from a basketball only school, and taken time to win. A coach here has to erase the losing mentality, the lack of support, the negative recruiting, the transfers, everything. It is not so easy to just flip a switch and change it unless you get 3-4 Corey Sanders.
The transfers have continued. Seagears, Étou. Who knows after this year.
The loser's mentality? The last three years speak for themselves and it's been proven here. Lack of support is still an issue. Negative recruiting never goes away but you need signs of progress. A win against a rival, a conference win, not losing by 30 points.
No coach is getting 3-4 Corey's but they might have the skill to do more with less.
And I brought up Larrannaga and Smart who won games and made deep tournament runs not as potential coaches for Rutgers but to disapprove the argument that facilities are the reason for the poor performances we've grown accustomed to over three seasons
The former Northwestern HC Carmody did it before Collins got there.
Eddie might be better with Sanders types up and down the roster but I question his ability to hit .500 with anything short of a roster full of 4-stars
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No comparison. You should know better with your MulCahy screwed the pooch for football stuff. Stop it!!
Larranaga and Shaka turn out to be 2 of the top 10-20 coaches in the game out of 350 programs.
Not denying that but my point is a good coach can win without facilities.
They don't need to be top 20 in the game. Carmody got close with Northwestern. So did Bannon and Waters but that was before I followed the program closely.
Randy Bennett made perennial tournaments at St. Mary's in a HS gym.
What does Lonergan have at GW that blows Rutgers away and prohibits us from doing the same?
It's definitely Rutgers brand mixed in with coaching. I admit the brand stinks but money and Big Ten and all you need is one good candidate to take it.
sorry but the DC from a national championship isn't an unknown but try again
Bob had his chance to hire Jay Wright or John Beilein and he didn't do it. Do you think we would be in the mess that we are in if he did!!
Of course not! Wright always wanted Nova and they got it done.
But good coaches are in the game and not necessarily at power 5 schools. Whether they make sense at Rutgers is another question. A guy like Bryce Drew might not know the politics of recruiting this area for instance, and maybe not used to dealing with handlers but the kid can coach and has the top ranked defense per KenPom.
Funny you mention Lonegan at GW , who has built his team with international players for years. Not saying Eddie is on that path, but Shoes reaching into the Canary Islands to get Doorson and Diallo, might be following that model. Eddie has tried to recruit Jersey and he struck out with Briscoe, despite he being at every one of our home games , and Trey Lowe, or Malachi Richardson or Roberson, who all choose bigger programs, due to negative recruiting and our losing track record, Rice debacle, etc.. So it appears he is going overseas, to North Carolina, and Florida and this year Ohio to get recruits because the locals will not give us a chance. He got Corey and Jonathon and Freeman with that philosophy and it might be the only recruiting strategy to turn us into a winner!!
Bullshit!! Bob didn't make Jay sign the contract and Villanova fired Lappas and swooped in in 2 days and snatched him away for more money.
It's in the past and yes it would have changed things. And we didn't have facilities then either.
I don't disagree with the strategy at all. Maybe sprinkle in under the radar local like Tripp or another former NJ kid currently playing prep in Florida
However it's the execution and results on the court the last three years that concern me, and the donors and season ticket holders are concerned as well.
He had a chance with Beilein who was still at Richmond and choose Gary Waters in 2001-2002 and screwed up again.
Beilein and Wright would take the Rutgers job with the RAC and no practice facility in 2001.
Facilities are the same but we are closer to facilities and big ten money than ever. So if we think there's a promising HC in the lower conferences like a Wright or a Beilein type, you offer them the job behind the scenes or whatever. A guy like Lonergan.
Ultimately we want competitive basketball and wins. Winless conference record in Year 3 is tough to swallow. I think that's fair.
If we can't make the move for financial reasons than OK but Jordan will cost more to buyout in 2016 than 2017 per his contract.
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Listen I am one of few of the 1200 -1500 season ticket holders left who has been supporting this program for over 30 years and I hate losing as much as the next guy, but what happened this year is not Eddie's fault. I see some recruits and players already here that give us a chance.
What I will agree has to change is Eddie's approach on defense, failing to pressure the point guard, going under instead of over screens, leaving three point shooters open, failure to hedge the pick and roll and defend it properly. It must change to turn us into a winning program. Look at what Maryland and Indiana has done on defense that have elevated their status
This isn't 2001. You might not believe it but we were a tough place to play between 1995-2005, upsetting a number of teams like Melo's Syracuse championship team, Uconn's Calhoun teams left here with a number of 1 point or I last possession games.
The Rac is dead not because of Eddie but what preceded him. You underestimate the damage locally and nationally. Do you know that Gary Waters is the only coach since Tom Young to ever coach again ? It has become known as a coach killer or a job to end your career and not in a good way.
There is no coach willing to kill his career worth a damn out there!!
Fair enough. I'd like that to see that too. I'm skeptical of the light switch suddenly turning on with the same players and coaches just because it's another season.
I'm aware. Whether it's a coaching graveyard, I think ultimately its up to Hobbs to sell the program. Because we need to replace Jordan eventually and I don't think it will more attractive just because we keep him through his contract.
On one hand, three years is not a very long time. But his record, the big losses and losing streaks are hard to ignore. And our defense and guarding the 3 have been problems since 2013.
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You want to replace Eddie and take a flyer on a no name. Sounds silly. Not ready for that yet. Eddie gets next year with his full roster. If he makes the defense adjustments, then we will likely see a radical improvement and increase in wins and closer to 500 in the big 10. If he doesn't make the defensive adjustments, nor bring in a three point shooter, his record will not improve and then Hobbs can take that flyer !!
I don't buy the no name argument at all. It's really about having a good staff especially one that can recruit and coach defense. Both. Not just one.
Eddies a name and we're on a 26-game conference losing streak and without a win against a quality opponent since last Feb.
Was Fran McCaffery a no-name just because he coached at Siena?
Brad Brownell because he coached Wright State?
Buzz Williams coached JUCO before Marquette.
Ed Cooley coached Fairfield before Providence
Jay Wright coached Hofstra before Nova
Mike Brey coached Delware before Notre Dame
Where was Tony Bennett before Washington State?
Dana Altman before Creighton?
Only good programs or rich schools hire "established high major" coaches. Pearl at auburn. Self at Kansas. Calipari at Kentucky. Archie Miller and Thad Matta to Arizona and Ohio State, respectively although Xavier was A10 at the time.
I guess making a good coaching hire is a mix of luck, money, fit and desire.
Oregon State hired the Montana HC and they could make the tournament for the first time in 30 years or so.
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I have some people on ignore......No one has me on ignore......How do I know ? Any time I post something positive I have 10 people countering with their usual negativity.
Most of the people I put on ignore have stopped posting here on a regular basis, which leads me to believe that they were coming here to post for stupid reasons......certainly not to have serious conversations about basketball.
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I believe that Beilein turned RU and Mulcahy down when he was at Richmond. He then ended up at WVU.
I give Mulcahy credit for going after Jay Wright and Beilein as HC's at RU. Unfortunately the RU reputation in MBB was already tarnished at that point. Wright or Beilein likely would have changed that.
Don't forget that even Bill Herrion walked away from an RU offer. The common thinking among coaches was that RU was a difficult place to win.
Well let's just say that 90+% of the people on the board had no clue who he was the day his name surfaced as a candidate. He was a career assistant and relative unknown.
Even the worst coach we could imagine for basketball would be a HC at some level and better known. That's pretty simple.
As far as Ash from a bigger perspective, he is an unknown from a recruiting standpoint at this point. His staff has many promoted guys and we all hope they succeed at a higher level. We know nothing about his game coaching ability and relatively nothing about his ability to run a program/practice. All we know is Parker has run 15 or so seemmingly good sessions and Ash has given 3 good interviews.
As he was on the day he became a candidate, he is a big unknown. I'm enthusiastic but lots to prove yet.
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Actually this is false...and again attacking the poster not the message...how intolerant just like a liberal democrat
Ash is a culture changer. Jordan has done a little bit to improve the culture. He gets one more year, the culture change is still there, and he leaves knowing he taught the kids a thing or tw about patience and work ethic.
Jordan has laid a base of a small culture change. Someone young and experienced must come and take it from there. HS winning coach would be my pick. Someone with integrity.
I sincerely hope Jordan can have a good year next year. I am not confident it will happen, but I expect to see some better things. After that, let's keep going onward with the base he has been able to help build in the past four years.
Jordan has laid a base of a small culture change. Someone young and experienced must come and take it from there. HS winning coach would be my pick. Someone with integrity.
I sincerely hope Jordan can have a good year next year. I am not confident it will happen, but I expect to see some better things. After that, let's keep going onward with the base he has been able to help build in the past four years.
Pleassse Bac. Don't turn this into a political piece of quiet...SHHH It. Let's just focus on the basketball.
The build needs from the bottom up. We have to be realistic that we aren't initially getting talent here. Guys need to be recruited based on how they will function in the system, not how high they can jump or how many stars they have.
Think howland at Pitt.
Think howland at Pitt.
Absolutely correct that the build has to be from the bottom up, and that has been correct since eternity at Rutgers. The issue is that every coach has failed so they have had to compromise and take what they can get. When you have shitty facilities and a shitty history you lose the majority of the candidates from the start. There are two way to drastically increase the pool of candidates that are right for whatever system we run. One is a practice facility and the other is a coach. I believe that history has proven that a coach alone is not near enough at Rutgers even though it might be enough at other places. We need dramatic change.
