Pac-12’s Larry Scott says expansion may happen again, but unsure how soon
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Word has it that he wants to expand when the Pac-12 TV contract ends or near its end. It sure worked out for the Big Ten and the SEC.
That might lead to the Big Ten, SEC and ACC going to 16 teams... or at the very least another round of threads about PODS.
That might lead to the Big Ten, SEC and ACC going to 16 teams... or at the very least another round of threads about PODS.
Expansion MAY happen, at some time in the future. Really going out on a limb there, Larry.
Do you think the PAC Commish has his eyes on Houston and the Texas TV market.
Mighty slim pickings outside of Texas schools for the PAC.
Boise doesn't bring much and with Utah a member,BYU might hot be desirable.
in before anyone sees this and decides slim pickings deserves a response
Mighty slim pickings outside of Texas schools for the PAC.
Boise doesn't bring much and with Utah a member,BYU might hot be desirable.
in before anyone sees this and decides slim pickings deserves a response
I know half the people on this board have their lists of team in 16 team conferences. Unfortunately, none of this really makes sense. Financial sense that is.
Seriously, try to find a team or teams that make the SEC better, financially or otherwise. Same with the Big Ten or the Pac 12. Instead of trying to find teams that might be possible additions to these conferences, try to find teams that make these conferences better. There aren't any.
The Big12 is a disaster that may someday go away and is only held together by Texas. The ACC could add UConn with no loss, but no gain either. We haven't even seen the maximum revenues to be gained by the SEC and BIG Ten from their conference networks and new TV contracts. Any more expansion is a long, long way off, if at all.
Seriously, try to find a team or teams that make the SEC better, financially or otherwise. Same with the Big Ten or the Pac 12. Instead of trying to find teams that might be possible additions to these conferences, try to find teams that make these conferences better. There aren't any.
The Big12 is a disaster that may someday go away and is only held together by Texas. The ACC could add UConn with no loss, but no gain either. We haven't even seen the maximum revenues to be gained by the SEC and BIG Ten from their conference networks and new TV contracts. Any more expansion is a long, long way off, if at all.
BYU won't get it from the PAC as they are staunchly secular... if they wanted BYU, they would have added them decades ago. Baylor and TCU are also unlikely options because of this.
I think Texas ends up in our conference. Delany obviously wants to eventually expand based on the way he agreed to the tv contracts, and Texas would likely prefer to be associated with more eastern-based flagships and potentially restart their sports rivalry with Nebraska. Not to mention they follow the money.
It really could potentially end up with the UT (along with OU) going to the B1G, TT & UH going to the PAC.
All in the distant future I would think.
Here is the problem with Texas: Every league wants their eyeballs and recruiting area, but no league actually wants the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS - or their "me first, and me only" culture.
UT is a cancer on a league, culturally. It is all about UT and UT-only, for them. Until they change that attitude, they remain where they are ... certainly the Big Ten will not take them unless UT culturally and contractually commits absolutely to equal sharing of resources, something UT may be incapable of doing until the Big 12 falls apart completely.
16 team conferences may not work unless the NCAA allows conference semifinals and finals for football. With a 16 team conference there is a high risk that your conference champion won't be the best team in your conference (ie. PSU vs Michigan vs Ohio St this year).
The P12 may be the leader for expansion this time since they may need it more and the B12 has been fighting it in their own conference.
The P12 may be the leader for expansion this time since they may need it more and the B12 has been fighting it in their own conference.
Think about it.
You could have 4 (16 team member) conferences who break away from the NCAA (talked about before) and set up their own rules and governing body.
The Big Boy League.
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You could have 4 (16 team member) conferences who break away from the NCAA (talked about before) and set up their own rules and governing body.
The Big Boy League.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Rutgers should move to the Pac 12 so we can continue our rivalries with Washington and Washington State. Since we are a large cranberry producer we can initiate a Cran-Apple Cup with those schools; kinda like the commander in chief trophy. Ocean Spray could be a sponsor.
The B12 will be gone in our lifetime. Its all about who "wins" TX and OK and who "gets" Hou, OKSU Kansas and K State. The rest die on the vine.
Notre Dame will be forced into full time conference when this whole things goes to the Power 4
Notre Dame will be forced into full time conference when this whole things goes to the Power 4
I agree that conf is doomed. When it blows up the only schools I see as P5 assured will be Kansas, OU and TX. Tech and Okie State will have good shots for the P5 if politics forces them to stay married to their sister schools. The rest are moving down to G5 status.
I doubt a true break away but you may find after it is done there are 3 strong super conferences (ie. P16, SEC, and B10) with 2 conferences a half step below (ACC if they lose top teams, B12 if they even survive, AAC / Mtn West). You would probably see the American and Mtn West merge into a huge conference to try and stay relevant if they lose a lot of teams to the ACC.
I am thinking:
- P12 goes to 16 with teams from the B12
- SEC goes to 16 with teams from the B12 and / or ACC
- B10 goes to 16 with teams from the B12 and / or ACC
- ACC plucks teams from the AAC (steps back in football but stays the #1 hoops conference)
- American, B12 remants, and Mtn West merge into a super 20+ team conference with regional divisions.
This also would hinge on the NCAA allowing conference semifinals. This way if a division has 2 teams with 1 loss both would make the conference semifinals and tie breakers won't decide who plays for a conference championship.
Imagine conference semifinals of (hypothetical alignment used in the example):
B10 - Penn St vs Nebraska / Ohio St vs Wisconsin
P16 - Washington vs Oklahoma St / Colorado vs USC
SEC - Alabama vs Tennessee / Oklahoma vs Florida
ACC - Clemson vs Temple / Louisville vs Va Tech
American Super conference - Navy vs Baylor / BYU vs San Diego St
If the Pac goes to 16 teams, they are going East into the Big 12 and will take 4 schools. The other Big 12 schools will be looking for landing spots. Notre Dame will have to decide which Conference they want to join.
The B1G will add 2 schools as will the SEC.
The ACC will be a Power Conference.
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I do not see the ACC losing teams. If anything their football product is improving. I am not an ACC fan especially after the whole Big East fiasco but I think they are ahead of the Pac 12 right now.
If the B10 and SEC adds teams they will look at the ACC. UVA and UNC will be on the radar. NC St and Va Tech were rumored to the SEC in the past.
Notre Dame and Texas joining the ACC together were also rumored.
Maybe the ACC would let them keep their own networks until they expire (would the B1G agree to this)
So we will have to wait and see how these rumors play out.
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True, and their demise would be poetic justice and the karma they deserve, but with the GOR they have and the ACC network coming on line I just think it is less likely then before. Maryland leaving was a special circumstance due to their $$$ issues.
lol
I got news for you, if forced to join a conference, ND will be Big10 and that is from some of their wealthiest donors. Texas would never seriously join the SEC or ACC due to academics and Texas actually did speak to the Big10 but their are issues there.
News for you.
Until 2035 Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join the ACC if they were to join a Conference before then.
Also there is nothing wrong with the Academics of the the ACC member schools.
What are you talking about.
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The ACC's GORs are out to 2040 or something. The buyout is $40,000,000
The ACC is locked in for a long time.
you better read that contract again as ND has several out clauses.
look, I try not to get involved in discussions because the last time I told the board that the rumored ACC invite was hogwash and to sit tight a little longer that didn't go well.
I'll respectfully watch and laugh quietly on the sidelines and let you have your views.
If that happens it will be very funny watching those two prima donnas fight it out with the Tobacco Row crowd for who's gonna run the show.
The Dallas Cowboys have also been rumored to be in discussions with the ACC
Exactly
Time will tell.
On the issue of ACC and Academics what did you mean.
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He is obviously referring to the University of Louisville, which their admission was analogous to giving a hot girl herpes.
So the Academics of the ACC are not good because of one school.
Nebraska (academically) was an admit to the B1G which was also an outlier when compared to the other B1G schools.
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Panther, not to change the subject but how do Pitt fans see being assigned to the Pinstripe Bowl. I thought with 2 top 5 wins they should have at least had Louisville slot or better.
Been saying for a while that Texas the two Okies and some other Tex school go to the PAC 12
Remains of the BIG 12 merges with AAC
Remains of the BIG 12 merges with AAC
I was just helping you out. You were asking a question and I answered it for you. But let's not kid ourselves, you knew what his point was. Listen, you sold a little bit of your academic soul for a football program which was much needed in the ACC. It is what it is.
I think our only two possibilities were the Sun and Pinstripe. Some thought there was a possibility of the RA to be paired with WVU but that was not to be.
I think many Pitt are fine with the Pinstripe and looking at it as an opportunity to visit New York City over the Christmas Holidays. The reason I say that is according to our AD, Pitt has sold over 5600 tickets (7000 allotment) so far to the game.
A number of Northwestern fans have been to our board and vice versa. They have a small but passionate fan base and they seem like a great group who are interested in discussing game specifics.
Side note the NU fans we talked to are not Penn State supporters:).
Aside from the Bowl, most of our discussions deal with recruiting. Supposedly, Max Browne (former 5 Star QB from USC grad transfer) is coming in for a visit this weekend.
Since Pitt QB Macvittie (who will be good (IMO) but has no real experience) bringing in a transfer will be a priority.
I think we are currently Rivals ranked at about 44 (although I think we will be Top 30 again by NLI) so will have to wait to see how it goes.
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Everyone saying Texas to B1G or PAC, maybe ACC, but if Texas gains some humility, the SEC might look at them if TA&M can be convinced not to object to them becoming a SEC member. Oklahoma might not want to join and look towards the PAC with OKSt.
Kansas looking like it could go B1G, but without a partner might just go PAC with Houston
I also look for the ACC to be raided by both the B1G and SEC.
Virginia or North Carolina to the B1G (unless both and Kansas not going B1G)
with VT going to the SEC along with Texas.
After the smoke clears,the ACC and Vitamin conference will merge in an effort to keep P-5 status. But even with out merger the ACC will stay P-5 and cherry pick what's left of B-12 and the none p-5 conferences to make up for their losses.
I came up with those scenarios at my favorite vacation spot:
Kansas looking like it could go B1G, but without a partner might just go PAC with Houston
I also look for the ACC to be raided by both the B1G and SEC.
Virginia or North Carolina to the B1G (unless both and Kansas not going B1G)
with VT going to the SEC along with Texas.
After the smoke clears,the ACC and Vitamin conference will merge in an effort to keep P-5 status. But even with out merger the ACC will stay P-5 and cherry pick what's left of B-12 and the none p-5 conferences to make up for their losses.
I came up with those scenarios at my favorite vacation spot:
Texas to the PAC 12 makes more sense - other conferences wary of Texas demands which deems it a conference killer have shied away.
PAC12 due to the three hour time zone difference, and EAST Coast media bias may look the other way on Texas. PAC12 could allow continuance of the Long Horn as it would gain significant media coverage nationally.
PAC12 due to the three hour time zone difference, and EAST Coast media bias may look the other way on Texas. PAC12 could allow continuance of the Long Horn as it would gain significant media coverage nationally.
Well I guess it is true (Pitt Board reporting) Max Browne (2013 Rivals 5 Star QB in 2013 from USC) is coming in this weekend for a recruiting visit. If don't get Malik Zaire, hope we get Browne. Narduzzi/Canada need to close the deal. See what happens.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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Good thing you didn't get the SunBowl.
Pitt's last appearance there if you brought just 2 more fans you could have had a game of Hearts
So many people on this board don't understand the Pac12. For example, the idea that the Pac12 would even consider a school like Texas Tech is ridiculous.
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