Pac 12 Media Rights - Conference Realignment
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It’s either B1G or SEC for FSU
Most are saying SEC for Clemson
The Big Ten would definitely wants FSU, due to its location, growing state, Co., flagship status, working on getting a you, successful sports, etc.
From purely a football standpoint, I would prefer the SEC as he rivalries a more natural and the awakens would be closer
Clemson has SCC red all over them, as her academics are not as good and their culture aligns directly with the SEC.
Clemson is a good school but FSU is ranked higher
The last USNWR had them at 19th
As a co flagship with UF, they get a lot of state funding previously not afforded to them prior to that status
Additionally, they brought in president McCulloch to get them to AAU status
ESPN wanted to get OU and Texas in as early as possible because they paid a huge price for the SEC top game of the week package previously held by CBS, and they need to make sure they have a huge marquee game for that every week, not games that include schools like Miss State and Arkansas as CBS sometimes did when they were paying 1/6 as much.Why do you think they agreed to pay that if it was only for a year until the GOR ran out?
Follow the tea leaves... i.e. it was worth it
GOR's, though tricky, are like any contact
They're made to be broken, and are never ironclad
FWIW, FSU AD Michael Alford went in front of the BOT today and presented this:
TheOsceola - Michael Alford outlines argument for unequal ACC revenue sharing
Michael Alford makes a pitch to FSU's Board of Trustees outlining the need for revenue sharing in the ACC.floridastate.rivals.com
https://247sports.com/college/flori...otball-ACC-exit-fee-Michael-Alford-205253904/
Follow the dominoes here. Alford is a shrewd businessman. He's not going on record w/these facts if things weren't already brewing
You are reading way too much into this. If “going public” with a dollar amount he thinks can get them out of the ACC is a sign to you that something is in the works, how do you rationalize that he also went “public” with a proposal for an unequal revenue share for staying until 2036??
Exactly my point
ESPN helps facilitate deals that work in their favor
Hence why they won’t let marquee real estate that they currently own (FSU & Clemson) die on the vine
He’s covering all the bases bc they’re not out of the league yet
Riddle me this - when has an AD gone public w this kind of clear cut verbiage?
Read the tea leaves - Im not coming on here posting my thoughts last night and this morning if it wasn’t rumored this was happening
The wheels are in motion. As an FSU fan whose had it w the ACC and has wanted out for years, they’re grinding slower than I’d like, but grinding, and making tangible progress, nonetheless
You are missing the big point.
FSU and Clemson are not as important to ESPN as having the huge amount of ACC live content (that they are paying less than than market value for) filling time slots in their lineup. The last thing they want to do is something that might destabilize the ACC and risk blowing up a deal that has 12 more years to run and is in their favor.
OU and Texas were easy to move up a year with just money because they were leaving when the GOR ends anyway. Getting someone 12 years early in the middle of a GOR is a completely different animal.
So a public statement is very meaningful when it matches your view, and meaningless when it doesn’t?
Not missing any point
They’re not going to dilute their current asset to the point of it being non competitive
They’re ultimately the ones calling the shots - though it will be interesting to see who exactly ends up where
Never said that
What I said is exactly what I’ve heard
And who I’ve heard it from are extremely connected - much more so than either of us
We can argue all day or let the chips fall where they will.
At the end of the day, whether right or wrong, I’ll still be here posting and reading the board
The ACC will be mostly irrelevant in football without FSU and Clemson. Why would the remaining schools allow them to go quietly, especially ones like UNC and UVA who can be confident they would have a landing spot if the ACC blew up?
Not that I hate the we have USC and UCLA, I am glad...!
But it would have been nice if Texas and Oklahoma would have joined the Pac-12 10 years ago...
There would have been the Power 3
SEC and Big10 would have eventually picked the ACC apart and the conferences would have been more regional.
But it would have been nice if Texas and Oklahoma would have joined the Pac-12 10 years ago...
There would have been the Power 3
SEC and Big10 would have eventually picked the ACC apart and the conferences would have been more regional.
The remaining schools all look out for themselves, in areas other than football and in football itself
You think the other schools are going to be ok w/staying put, especially the ones who excell at other sports?
Will the ACC schools continue being ok w/30-40 million annually behind peers? That money doesn't just effect football, it effects all sports
Does UNC want bball to suffer? How about Duke - they're ok with being middle of the road due to a 500 million shortfall?
It's big picture man - not just short term, football related stuff. The $ disparacny trickles down to other sports. And at 30-40 mil/year, it's not a trickle. It's damn near Niagara Falls, especially considering it'd be in the neighborhood of 500 mil over 13 years
You cannot recover from that type of blow.
Additionally, do you honestly think I'd come on here an post what I did, when I did, if I didn't have an inkling Alford was going in front of the BOT to drop public bombs like that?
Clemson AD dropping bombs as well
www.postandcourier.com
Clemson AD Graham Neff: Unequal distribution of ACC revenue a 'need'
The ACC finds itself falling behind the Big Ten and SEC in television revenues. Clemson athletic director Graham Neff would like to see the Tigers get a bigger slice of
Agree with you and what some on the board minimize.
The ACC will become the 3rd most important P-5 Conference.
ABC/ESPN did not bid on the B1G contract and let Fox have it all.
ESPN/ABC has total exclusivity with ACC/SEC and ESPN and needs content to continue to operate as a viable competing sports network. The fact that ESPN let FOX have more or less total exclusivity with the B1G broadcasting rights is a great benefit to the ACC.
What I have confidence in is that ESPN/ABC will financially do what is in their best interest and that is why I'm not concerned about the future of the ACC. The ACC is very important to ESPN/ABC.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
The issue is the amount of deadweight schools the league has
Wake, BC, Cuse have no business collecting even half of what FSU does
They are the dregs of the conference, don’t invest heavily into FB, have minimal fan bases and bring the conference down as a whole
I’d assume Pitt is on the fringe of either being left out conpletely, or one of the last schools swooped up by the B12/Pac consortium
Outside of the big 4 and possibly Miami, it’s Duke, GT, Ville, VT, NC State and Pitt (not in that order) who will need to find other homes in the aforementioned new conference (unless Duke comes w UNC or GT is taken in SEC or more likely B1G due to ATL market)
Most watched teams
Hopefully I did that correctly from my phone. Regardless, the above link show the most watched college football teams. When you consider the B1G and SEC additions for 2024, those two conferences have 20 of the 25 top brands. ACC has two. This is only going to widen as each year passes and the SEC and B1G dominate the prime time slots every Saturday.
ESPN will either need to move Clemson and Florida State or the will do so themselves when the time and money is right.
Hopefully I did that correctly from my phone. Regardless, the above link show the most watched college football teams. When you consider the B1G and SEC additions for 2024, those two conferences have 20 of the 25 top brands. ACC has two. This is only going to widen as each year passes and the SEC and B1G dominate the prime time slots every Saturday.
ESPN will either need to move Clemson and Florida State or the will do so themselves when the time and money is right.
Bingo
It’s not sustainable to be in that dumpster fire for much longer w the $ discrepancy, especially for FSU& Clemson
The pieces are beginning to line up for both programs (and others) for a move to either the B1G or the SEC
Yea ESPN will do what is in its best interest just like anyone else. What's in the their best interest is keeping the bargain deal they have for just about as long as they can. I don't get this idea where propping up the ACC is in their interest. They want programming a decent price, it doesn't have to be blockbuster programming across the board. They need filler too and paying a equitable price for that filler is good enough. Look at the myriad of bowls they own the rights to, not all of them are top flight bowls but it's good filler for the price they pay. On top of which, paying more money to these schools doesn't guarantee any of them will make for better programming.
Also just because they had to let the B10 go this time around doesn't mean they won't try for a piece in future deals. They let the NHL go too and now they have the NHL again.
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I don't think ESPN has to do anything. It's not as if Clemson and FSU are some holy grail. They are higher status schools but they're not the end all be all. ESPN has plenty of good programming in CFB, they don't need to spend more money or incur legal headaches for FSU/Clemson.
I do think FSU/Clemson will likely move on just not any time soon.
It's not a death sentence to them either. They spent big money on their coaches and assistants just this past offseason. The playoffs are expanding and opportunity will still be there for them to achieve high level results. Cincy and TCU did it with less money and only 4 playoff spots and no autobids so Clemson/FSU can as well if they're smart. But if you're not smart then you can be like Miami who left for more money to the ACC and hasn't done squat since. When it's more feasible down the line and the GOR isn't a big impediment, FSU/Clemson can jump.
Too often there's this hysteria like it's the end of the world when it's not. Look at the streaming wars, I mentioned above. Many of the media companies were like we have to get in it's the end of the world if we don't jump into this new market with both feet and now most of them are like WTF did we do. They didn't look before leaping and are losing tons of money and are trying to rationalize costs now. FSU/Clemson success or failure will have less to do with money and more to do with their own acumen. Also most of their schedule comes from within the ACC and they will still have more resources than most of their main competitors.
The only way it would not be a death sentence as if some of the ACC schools merge with the big 12 and or pac, and created the number 3 conference amd the money discrepancy wasn’t $30-$40 million behind the SEC in big 10
agree and Florida along with USCe might help out if they try to keep those in state programs from joining the SEC.
I also think Oregon and Washington are making 3rd party moves trying to join the B1G out of fear that the UofA , ASU, Colorado and Utah might jump from PAC if the PAC can't get a good TV rights deal.
I no longer factor in “fill in the blank school will block their instate rival” when looking at expansion. Texas A&M got Texas jammed down their throat. If the SEC wants Clemson and vice versa, I don’t think South Carolina will have any meaningful day in the matter.
The rumors I’ve been hearing are FSU to the B1G
Presence in Florida, academics, trying to achieve AAU status with new president, large state, university, coach, flagship, strong, athletic program, fits the Big Ten mold
Outside of ND, that has to be the best property left on the board right?
Yeah ND is the clear cut # 1
Athletics + ratings wise, Noles would be # 2
B1G dream scenario would be the foursome of ND, FSU, UNC + UVA
You could argue that UNC and UVA would be ahead of FSU based on the continuous states theory/model, but I am not privy to that information
USC and UCLA probably erased any notion of geographic continuity.
Yeah geographic continuity is no longer relevant in the B1G expansion plans.
Right but if there’s a deal already in place to get them, they might grab uva / unc first - closer rivalries, etc
But money rules the day so who knows
never meant to imply they would.
But re reading my message about Washington and Oregon wanting to, can see how you came to think I did.
I think UofA,ASU,Utah and Colorado might be B12 bound if the PAC doesn't get a good TV rights deal.
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I have to assume Oregon and Washington are coming at some point. So that would be 22 if you also landed the 4 above. At that point you just wait for ND and a +1. Then shut it down at 24.
Crazy to think that could be where we are heading.
Big won't wait for ND once the final round starts. ND has a decision to make and how we'll know is the communications on independence to the alumni.
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