Phew! Dodged a Bullet!
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Then you are talking the level of Urban. I was ok with Greg, because as you can see he could have handled the drama. He understood the culture of Jersey. His methods may have not played out well in other places just like Ash did not play out well here based on his past experience. Greg to me was the bridge to get us back on track. Give him the 8years and what he needed. He has seen big programs and understands whats needs. He would have been 60+. Retire and know he got us back to respectability. Them move someone up from the ranks the has been there for a while to assume command.
Guaranteed money was top of league. Greg might be delusional, but he ain’t stupid.
Who needs Dolan and his money when we have lacrosse...that major sport the makes the school hundreds of millions. You are right Cali, we dodged a bullet.
This is heresy as is the "leaked" terms list. Looks more like one sides requirements NOT agreed upon terms. However if the terms were agreed upon and Schiano didnt sign then it is definitely all on him. Requiring more that what was presented would be outlandish
His walking away over timing of infrastructure and even the possibility of his not getting his building built rather refitting the Hale Center is crap. If he walked because of 6 and not 8 guaranteed then that is crap too. If he was a good coach he should have this program soaring in 4cyears max which would give him a five to six year extension so why would a Coach selling himself as a winner as the answer need thec2 extra years guaranteed? Unless he didnt think he could do what he speaks of. Seems to beca weak excuse not having 2 additional guaranteed years. Seems like a money grab to me. Basically Havent been able to find a job this is probably my last paycheck let me rapecand pillage
He gives a fair amount of money to the school - something that you've never done.
The mental midget that is @bac2therac fails to acknowledge - here, as on all other topics - that it's entirely reasonable to have differing points of view with equal validity.
Schiano would definitely have an impact here. But, as others have pointed out, hiring him as a head coach is absolutely not without risk. He's a solid recruiter, he's got an innate sense of "New Jersey", but he's also got a list of flaws that are well-understood.
Giving him absolute oversight of all things related to football would be a mistake. The money isn't really an issue. The infrastructure improvements, likewise (although the timeline he insisted upon was too aggressive). But to essentially make him King of Rutgers Football, with discretionary powers over all decisions related thereto, is a bridge too far for any responsible administrator.
No “winner” has been knocking down our door. Donors pissed, zero ticket renewals but Yeah us
I understand the disappointment the fan base has not getting Schiano but in my opinion the second acts never work out. I was always hesitant about Schiano. Rutgers needs to find an up and coming Head Coach who can recruit and will be our Schiano of the future. Now trusting Rutgers to do that is where I have serious doubts.
He was offered 6 yrs 24 M but keep repeating incorrect info.
Yeah the list of names is incredible: Addazio, Chris Creighton, Jason Candle, Lance Leipold, Jeff Hafley, Anthony Campanile and Jedd Fisch.
Then Hobbs didn’t even present that to the BOG, which leads me to believe the BOG said 6 years was best and final or Hobbs didn’t want GS and just killed the deal on the spot.
Either way I think GS over played his hand. Not wanting to have a boss, demanding we blow up the Hale...all sounds like things someone asks for when they don’t actually want the job but if you’ll give them everything, ok fine they’ll take the job.
You can't figure it out?
The poster I responded too keeps posting GREG TURNED DOWN 8 YRS 32M when that is what Greg countered with when he did not get his fieldhouse. Greg was NEVER OFFERED 8 yrs 32M. Whoever keeps saying that 8/32 was not enough for Greg IS A FUKKING IDIOT becuase that is not what he was offered. Did I make it simple enough for you to understand?
It's worth pointing out, just for the sake of fairness, that Hobbs was excoriated for allegedly giving Ash a 7 year contract (although there's some nuance there that people refuse to acknowledge).
So what's the talking point if, 5 years down the road, we're sitting on an 8 year Schiano contract and he's yet to win a B1G game? I'm not saying that's the expectation, but you can't rule it out as a possibility.
Six years really is fair. By absolutely any metric, six years for an initial contract is fair. So maybe Greg needs to come off the eight year thing, take the six with an option to extend based on performance. I think that gets the deal done.
From I have heard and read, Greg only went to the 8 yr request when we rejected the fieldhouse. Maybe at that point he really didn't want it any more once he realized that we were not going to give him what he wanted? Or maybe he felt it is going to take longer without the full commitment from the University.
I have to agree. I too think you dodged a bullet if the info of what was offered to Schiano is correct. I just don't think he is worth that investment. I imagine your administration is waiting to see which coaches come available after the season ends. I very much wish you the best in finding the right guy.
Great post. Hiring him would have been a immediate boost for the program as far as ticket sales, probably grab a few nice recruits. But what happens after the luster wears off in 2-3 seasons when UM, OSU, MSU, PSU are still beating his brains in on national tv. Instead of one WVU he couldn’t beat, he would have 5 of them. Now your stuck with a guy approaching 60 who nobody else is going to hire way from you and your holding the bag on $32million contract. Good decision by RU for the long run.
He is a tireless worker with one of the best eyes for talent in the industry. If you give him time and resources he will absolutely outperform our other options. This is a massive loss for the program. I can not blame anyone for giving up on Rutgers athletics at this point.
Your exact quote was: "G.S. thought 8 years, 32 million wasn’t enough?? Well, good luck finding that deal somewhere else."
GS's counter offer was 8/32 so apparently he thought that was good enough since that is what he asked for when they didn't give him fieldhouse...which means your statement above is INCORRECT.
How is that for EXACTLY.
Yet couldn’t produce anything but the worst defense in Buckeye history last season with all that talent. He’s awesome. I’m sure his agent didn’t sleep a wink last night fielding all the calls from the big boy programs.
Absolute excitement for a season, mayyybeee two? Then a stadium full of people dressed as empty seats, blow loss after blow loss and an ego maniac owed 25 million and no incentive to work any harder bc his career is over anyway.
That is not quite accurate....they would have been stuck with 25M as that was all that was guaranteed. Greg's counter proposal had 25M guaranteed. So after year 4 he would have been guaranteed 9M and you could have canned him. So not on hook for 32M.
Yes, let’s have no excitement plus the blowout losses and save 2mm per year. Why bother firing Ash.
6 years at $4M is $24M... $25 million is fair.. and that is if he was fired WITHOUT CAUSE.
Ash was basically guaranteed 7 years at $2.5M or so.. that's a guarantee of almost $12M. Would you rather have a guy at half the price who destroyed your fan base and game and donation revenue or a guy who built that fan base and revenue stream to where it was for double the price?
The 8 years instead of the indoor practice facility was just a way of saying "I told you what I need to get it turned around and without that facility it will take me longer".
Just go back to 6 years and a facility that every other Big Ten program already has or do the 8 years. 7 years was fair given where Flood/Ash/Hobbs has left us. What's an extra year?
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They don't go to games, buy tickets and parking or donate. Yet they have their stupid opinion with no solution.
Hey @WhiteBus, how long you been doing this? For me it is 43 years. What evidence from our past suggests Rutgers got this right and dodged a bullet? NONE
“I have heard from no less than 10 big donors and supporters who are canceling tickets and pledges for gifts, some changing their estate bequest language to remove Rutgers,'' one Rutgers insider said. "It’s really bad.''
Anyone who thinks Rutgers got this right is delusional and needs to get their head examined.
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Have you ready any of the other 500 threads calling to fire Hobbs? People on this board really think he could make that decision on his own without some knowledge of what the final offer would have been.
Again why are you making a rebuttal to something was was never said or implied?
It seems people CANNOT be open-minded enough to take things at face value. My original post simply corrected the fallacy that 8yr/32M was not enough for Greg. Greg was not offered that...he countered with that when he did not get fieldhouse. That is it no other purpose to original post. Yet, folks repeatedly keep bringing up rebuttal points to things I never suggested. Where did I say Hobbs made this decision on his own?
This is a BS ticker of how many signed...keeps ticking up and when you close and re-open...goes back to the starting number of signed....tail wagging the dog?
I agree with this view...GS overplayed his hand....I think he was shooting for the moon to coach here...He thought if they (RU) agreed to his high demands...whoopie he coaches...if not, he's happy dealing with family and faith.
If he really wanted to come he would have accepted and then worked on the new president, knowing that Hobbs would be on thin ice considering the Ash hire/fire costs
i can’t wait to see your reaction when you see the guy we actually end up with
Who are you? I wasn't even replying to anything you said. Maybe it's time to stop drinking and yelling on a message board about things you clearly don't understand. Why don't you go sign a petition to help fire an AD who didn't want to give an unemployed coach 8/32 with $24 million guaranteed (Saban type of guarantee) after that same AD got bashed for giving a guy 7/10 guaranteed.
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