I agree with much of your post, but not necessarily this part. That's really only Gavin, and he still may be a shooter with some seasoning. Pike got Cam, a terrific shooter, and he continued to shoot.
I don’t know about Texas tech but the rest probably were loaded already. Ours seems to be a very unique situation.
Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read this
i think the lack of leadership plays a role. Someone has to set an example when times are tough, this year when teams go on runs RU folds pretty badly. The errors multiple and the lead balloons They do recover at times and do play catch up but by then the damage is done.
How do you figure?
Pikiell is possibly the best coach we’ve ever had, period. There is no indication a Mike Rice coached team with these players would be any better, and in all likelihood they’d be worse. You’re also simply using record for the first 3 years (conveniently all that’s available for Rice), without regard for the historically bad team Pike followed.
Just to humor you a little:
lol I didn’t even say he would be doing better with these players.
This isn’t true.
Mitchell was a double digit scorer the year before. Miller made the Big East All-Freshman team the year before. Rice wasn’t left with nothing, and again, the numbers show the team he took over for was significantly better than the team Pike took over for.
Loosing 2 grad transfers after the portal for non grad transfers is closed and limited nil money really handcuffed him. This is the one NIL change that needs to be made immediately. Even for grad transfers it can’t be transfer whenever.
My mistake, I thought Mitchell was a transfer Rice’s first year.
I’m not avoiding any point, I’m saying that you can’t compare teams with different players in different situations while trying to isolate the coach as the only variable. A Mike Rice coached team with vastly superior talent might beat this year’s team, while one with equal or lesser talent might not.
Again, there's little evidence a Mike Rice coached team would "beat the shit" out of this year's team. The best Mike Rice did in three tries was Kenpom #78. That's better than our current Kenpom #94 but not by much. His other two teams were #120 and #106 which is, you know, worse than #94.
That's not really what I was agruing anyway, but for some reason you decided to add four sentences to a debate that you think is "dumb as rocks".
What "people" are worried about reflects a lot more on the people than it does on the coaching. If we win two league games in a row, all of the sudden the consensus among like 60% of this board will swing to "win championship next year". It's completely meaningless.
I agree, we should definitely make the post season next year.
They didn’t practice… and had a coach that didnt care. Obviously their numbers are going to be crap.
It piggybacked off a quote of a post I made.
You can’t just ignore the context. Nobody would argue that Kyle Flood was better than Schiano because his teams had better records in the first 3 years. What he inherited was significantly different from what Schiano inherited either time, much like Rice vs. Pikiell.
Oh there are people that will argue flood schiano. Haha. Lots of nuts out there.
You can’t compare football and basketball. Two totally different animals with different challenges.
I think you’re just being intentionally obtuse at this point but feel free to go with Kevin Ollie taking over for Jim Calhoun vs. Danny Hurley taking over for Kevin Ollie if you want. I don’t think anyone would say Ollie is a better coach than Hurley even with a title in his second year
lol your talking about two different sports.
Those 3 are potentially much more important to the program than Ace and Dylan.
I gave you an example in the same sport that you’re now also choosing to ignore because you’re not debating this in good faith, but rather trying to win.
lol you’re trying to say Pike is a better coach than Rice because EJ was worse than FHJ. Then to provide an example outside of RU, you’re saying look at JC to KO to DH at UConn.
Pike’s best teams here have been far better than anything Rice ever did and the CURRENT team is not significantly worse than Rice’s best team. Pike’s third year (if we are restricting to three years for no particular reason) was basically equal to Rice’s best year.
I’m also saying that based off ON COURT results Pike is better, and trend-wise he was better across the first 3 years, but unfortunately because ON COURT Rice couldn’t control himself, we don’t have more of a sample size and instead were rewarded with one of the two worst coaches in our program’s history.
Strictly keeping it to 3 years because obviously that's all we got since ya know...he's a lunatic...
There’s no reason to restrict to three years because your own posts claim that context and inherited talent are not relevant. If you believe that, then there’s no reason not to compare to Pikiell’s entire tenure. If you *don’t* believe that then you are now contradicting yourself.
That’s why I said after he got the ball rolling there and completely ignored what happened at the start of his career there…
You know Mike Rice inherited a program that hadn’t made the NCAAs since 1991, right?
My bad, I’ll look at Rice’s 6th season as RU’s HC and compare that to Pike’s 6th season…
Who cares? NCAAs is based on one stretch of a few games. The team Rice inherited was a pretty good 17-11 team. Rice’s best team was arguably his first team that didn’t make the tourney. Best record.
