I just watched him on BTN doing some of his motivational speeches. I am cynical by nature but after 10 minutes I am ready to send the Gophers a check for their program..[banana]
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In Fleck's case you do realize he's not fixing something that was broken, right? Fact is they played a tougher schedule the year before he arrived and went 9-4 (5-4 B1G) with three loses of 7 points or less. He took that team and went 5-7 (2-7 B1G) with a lighter schedule and 4 loses of 23 points or more. So does he still get credit if(still a big IF) he fixes something, that he broke, that wasn't broken to begin with? So basically if they get back to winning seasons and bowls isn't that where they were at before he took over?I agree Fleck is going to turn Minny around. Brohm at Purdue is doing a tremendous job also.
I guess we will see how serious those schools take college football. Since both coaches will be in high demand this year or next. If they continue to have success on the field and keep recruiting like they have been.
I agree Minny was basically average when he took over.In Fleck's case you do realize he's not fixing something that was broken, right? Fact is they played a tougher schedule the year before he arrived and went 9-4 (5-4 B1G) with three loses of 7 points or less. He took that team and went 5-7 (2-7 B1G) with a lighter schedule and 4 loses of 23 points or more. So does he still get credit if(still a big IF) he fixes something, that he broke, that wasn't broken to begin with? So basically if they get back to winning seasons and bowls isn't that where they were at before he took over?
Since when does a 9 win team need turning around?I agree Fleck is going to turn Minny around. Brohm at Purdue is doing a tremendous job also.
I guess we will see how serious those schools take college football. Since both coaches will be in high demand this year or next. If they continue to have success on the field and keep recruiting like they have been.
You'd be screaming bloody murder. If we went 9-4 (5-4 /B1G) with 3 loses by less than 7 points and then Fleck comes in and takes us to 5-7 (2-7 /B1G) with 4 loses by more than 23 points. I know I'd be screaming it from the roof tops, so would most here. Especially with the second go around of Capt. Kirk to lead the offense. Minnesota's offense ranked only 6 places higher than our epic ineptitude.Not gonna lie, wish we had PJ...
Neither is Nick Saban, Urban Meyer nor Mark Dantonio. PJ's antics are too goofy for some, including me. But I can see his appeal to some people.Personality is not what wins . But it certainly looks like a lot more fun to be with when it wins.Ash is not and never will be a member of the cult of personalty.
Neither is Nick Saban, Urban Meyer nor Mark Dantonio. PJ's antics are too goofy for some, including me. But I can see his appeal to some people.
Not gonna lie, wish we had PJ...
I just watched him on BTN doing some of his motivational speeches. I am cynical by nature but after 10 minutes I am ready to send the Gophers a check for their program..[banana]
This plus 1!The difference is you can afford to be the silent, stern, no-personality curmudgeon if you back it up with results. Being a wet blanket, and not putting up any results is a double edged sword.
As they say winnings cures all ills, you could be as boring as a phonebook, but if you get the right kids, call the right plays, and win it doesn't matter.
Saban did not exactly get results until his 5th year at Michigan State.The difference is you can afford to be the silent, stern, no-personality curmudgeon if you back it up with results. Being a wet blanket, and not putting up any results is a double edged sword.
As they say winnings cures all ills, you could be as boring as a phonebook, but if you get the right kids, call the right plays, and win it doesn't matter.
Saban did not exactly get results until his 5th year at Michigan State.
Not saying Ash is the next Saban or those other guys.
On the other hand, when you are a flaky showboat or a loudmouth, you will get lambasted if you do not put up results.
In the end, its the results that matter. Have not thought much about the most successful coaches in P5 football, and if there are more lively personalities than duds.
Wisconsin coach is a dud.
Meyer is not exactly mister excitement.
Neither is Dantonio.
Harbaugh is his own animal.
Indiana guy seems dull.
Durkin is quirky and weird, IMO (always smiling even when losing).
Iowa's coach is boring.
Seem to be more boring types in the B1G.
I don't know his personality but he learned under a possibly a more understated coach than even Chryst and that was the previous DC Dave Aranda.Wisky though has a SUPER DYNAMIC DC in Jim Leonhard
Agree with you on Chryst. He's like watching paint dry haha. But who cares, I've never equated personality with performance. I don't really see any correlation. You can have guys like Dabo and Franklin who are lively or coaches like Saban and Meyer who are pretty stoic for the most part. You have guys that run the spectrum and you see guys succeed and fail across that personality spectrum too, who cares. Substance not flash and that is only measured through results not slogans or hoopla or what have you.Saban did not exactly get results until his 5th year at Michigan State.
Not saying Ash is the next Saban or those other guys.
On the other hand, when you are a flaky showboat or a loudmouth, you will get lambasted if you do not put up results.
In the end, its the results that matter. Have not thought much about the most successful coaches in P5 football, and if there are more lively personalities than duds.
Wisconsin coach is a dud.
Meyer is not exactly mister excitement.
Neither is Dantonio.
Harbaugh is his own animal.
Indiana guy seems dull.
Durkin is quirky and weird, IMO (always smiling even when losing).
Iowa's coach is boring.
Seem to be more boring types in the B1G.
But this is where all the fans are going to find fault with anything and everything about our current coach and gaze lovingly across the country at candidates they think would be "better," even though most of them would not consider coming here because other than Schiano, RU has been a coaches graveyard and it is pretty well known RU will not put up much more than $2 million/year. But we can continue to gaze lovingly at coaches who will never come here because that is what we like to do.Just flipping through the guide the other night I saw some show "Being PJ Fleck" or something like that, no thanks. I don't need my bs meter going haywire.
Paul Chryst at Wisconsin is as bland as it gets. Frankly I don't see anything wrong with Ash. He's not some dynamic personality but I don't notice him as bland either. Just seems normal to me. It's kind of funny because I remember at his introductory press conference I remember some here were saying man he's out of central casting (I didn't think that either) and now he's gone from that to dry wall haha.
Saban did not exactly get results until his 5th year at Michigan State.
Not saying Ash is the next Saban or those other guys.
On the other hand, when you are a flaky showboat or a loudmouth, you will get lambasted if you do not put up results.
In the end, its the results that matter. Have not thought much about the most successful coaches in P5 football, and if there are more lively personalities than duds.
Wisconsin coach is a dud.
Meyer is not exactly mister excitement.
Neither is Dantonio.
Harbaugh is his own animal.
Indiana guy seems dull.
Durkin is quirky and weird, IMO (always smiling even when losing).
Iowa's coach is boring.
Seem to be more boring types in the B1G.
It's the same old same old though, I remember the longings from Turner Gill at Buffalo, Golden at Temple, Rhule at Temple, etc.. and the list goes on and on now to Fleck recently and then when those names go to the "ash heap" suddenly the love is gone and forgotten.But this is where all the fans are going to find fault with anything and everything about our current coach and gaze lovingly across the country at candidates they think would be "better," even though most of them would not consider coming here because other than Schiano, RU has been a coaches graveyard and it is pretty well known RU will not put up much more than $2 million/year. But we can continue to gaze lovingly at coaches who will never come here because that is what we like to do.
I'm neutral on Ash too, but feel strongly he needs the next 2 years to prove himself, barring a major off-field scandal or an 0-12, 1-11 or 2-10 or 3-9 performance this year.It's the same old same old though, I remember the longings from Turner Gill at Buffalo, Golden at Temple, Rhule at Temple, etc.. and the list goes on and on now to Fleck recently and then when those names go to the "ash heap" suddenly the love is gone and forgotten.
I can understand envying guys who have done things at this level, I'm not envious of guys who haven't proven squat on this level let alone consistently on this level.
I'm indifferent to Ash but even if I was negative on him, I still wouldn't be envious of many of the names I see brought up here over the years.
If it doesn't work out and we go back to the same well and I have no issue with that all. I'm perfectly fine going after a coordinator again or mid major HC. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. Also don't think we have to spend a ton for a coach either. I don't think I've ever complained about budget or previous P5 HC experience, all I look for is a good solid track record and display of competence that is worthy of the opportunity. It's the AD's job to identify good solid coaches.I'm neutral on Ash too, but feel strongly he needs the next 2 years to prove himself, barring a major off-field scandal or an 0-12, 1-11 or 2-10 or 3-9 performance this year.
If he does not work out, don't know where RU goes from here, as they seem to have the Wisconsin mentality of not going to spend a lot for a coach.
MA ny successful Coaches have"IT" also.Great leaders in all fields have the ability to capture minds.James Franklin and Matt Ruhle are similar in having that charisma. Greg Schiano has it too.
In Fleck's case you do realize he's not fixing something that was broken, right? Fact is they played a tougher schedule the year before he arrived and went 9-4 (5-4 B1G) with three loses of 7 points or less. He took that team and went 5-7 (2-7 B1G) with a lighter schedule and 4 loses of 23 points or more. So does he still get credit if(still a big IF) he fixes something, that he broke, that wasn't broken to begin with? So basically if they get back to winning seasons and bowls isn't that where they were at before he took over?
Again, Brohm is here to stay.....Purdue has had one coach with such a big personality in any sport and it worked out well for Gene Keady
Sideline squatting was very charismatic.Randy Edsall. The same posters all loved him and trashed Schiano. Must have been his charisma lol.