Politi: "Greg Schiano deserves a contract extension as Rutgers clears a major hurdle"

[rutgersguy1]

This is just ignoring the reality of the sport. If you dont have 4+ years on your deal and commit long term to a coach, dont expect good recruits to commit long term to a school

Recruits may not commit long term anyway with portal. And most don’t leave even with a firing when they are allowed, it’s just a scare tactic to make it sound like they do.

So far when I see big turnover of roster it’s instigated by a new coach like at Colorado or Texas State as opposed to players leaving or not coming because a coach is fired or doesn’t have 4 years.

 

[rutgersguy1]

On the who knows what next year will bring theme. And let's head off the BS but but buts at the pass.

Lincoln Reilly had a returning Heisman Trophy QB return this year. Lincoln makes $11M per year.

The vaunted Mack Brown had a 4,300 yard passer in Drake Maybe return to UNC this year.

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Good example is TCU, awesome year last year into the champ game and this year didn’t make a bowl.

Thats okay, you take the season for what it is and enjoy it but don’t read too much into the future because it’s unknown. Don’t make assumptions.

 

[RU#1fan]

rutgersal?

Rutgseral has been taking his pregame videos on a roadshow.
The opposing B1G fanbases have been laughing at him and making a mockery of his RU victory projections.
Makes for good comedy.

 

[TM94goRU]

Once again Politi is wrong. Coach has already ( extorted enough money for being mediocre ). Of the games we won, how many came against teams with a winning record? Try 0.

It is not just the month of losing, it is how the team looked unprepared, with uneven effort. You can't even say the secondary was a strength, with the penalties.

This is old paradigm thinking. Recruiting comes done to NIL or pay for play. For many nothing else matters. To quote an astute HC recruits would get dressed in a garbage can if you paid them enough.

 

[RU#1fan]

Pretty amazing statement considering Hobbs didn't want him to begin with. With Oregon, Washington and USC coming into the conference and GS remaining as our coach don't ever expect to be a top eight team in the league.

I was beyond shocked to hear Hobbs say that this week.
5 or 6 win seasons are acceptable to him ongoing…so don’t expect changes for a long time.

 

[NickRU714]

How many college coaches have less than 4 years term on their contracts?

So the actual results don't matter?
HC Schiano deserves an extension just because he has less than 4 years?

If we had gone 3-9, would you advocate for an extension so he didn't have less than 4 years left?
If not, then your argument is immaterial.

 

[newell138]

Too many people with unrealistic expectations on this board

 

[rufeelinit]

In general, the issue with coaches getting unwarranted extensions is based on the agents being able to create leverage to make guys like GS seems more valuable than they are. AD's are just not that savvy as a group and if you get a booster groups to write the check then you care less about increasing the long term financial commitment.

If you think our ceiling in any given year is 6 or 7 wins than what is the price for a coach who can you there 3 out of every 5 year?

 

[Knight Shift]

In general, the issue with coaches getting unwarranted extensions is based on the agents being able to create leverage to make guys like GS seems more valuable than they are. AD's are just not that savvy as a group and if you get a booster groups to write the check then you care less about increasing the long term financial commitment.

If you think our ceiling in any given year is 6 or 7 wins than what is the price for a coach who can you there 3 out of every 5 year?

This has been mentioned before. Greg's pay is appropriate at $4M. That should be his or any other coach's pay ceiling at 6 wins. Want more money?

$1M for each additional win in a season. 10 wins gets the coach $10M for that year. But no Mel Tucker or Jimbo Fisher sweetheart deals for flash in the pan success.

Also need to consider coach's next best alternative. Are we really worried about someone coming in and swooping up a coach who had not won more than 6 games in his 4th year back at the program?

 

[rurichdog]

So the actual results don't matter?
HC Schiano deserves an extension just because he has less than 4 years?

If we had gone 3-9, would you advocate for an extension so he didn't have less than 4 years left?
If not, then your argument is immaterial.

No, silly. At 3-9 with less than 4 years remaining you fire him, pay out the remainder of the contract, hire another bum on an 8 year contract because it's a complete rebuild, and lather rinse repeat. Makes perfect sense 🤡

 

[jtung230]

Too many people with unrealistic expectations on this board

New here 😀

 

[KK1827]

Once again Politi is wrong. Coach has already ( extorted enough money for being mediocre ). Of the games we won, how many came against teams with a winning record? Try 0.

It is not just the month of losing, it is how the team looked unprepared, with uneven effort. You can't even say the secondary was a strength, with the penalties.

This is old paradigm thinking. Recruiting comes done to NIL or pay for play. For many nothing else matters. To quote an astute HC recruits would get dressed in a garbage can if you paid them enough.

At least do some research. Northwestern and va tech are bowl eligible.

Of the teams we lost to?
Michigan: 12-0
Ohio State: 11-1
Penn State: 10-2
Iowa: 10-2
Wisconsin: 7-5
Maryland: 7-5

4 of the 6 losses are to consensus top 15 teams, 2 of which are in the top 4. The other 2, were at the hands of wisconsin who unfortunately we played them before their qb got hurt and maryland who has the big tens all time leading passer.

 

[KK1827]

So the actual results don't matter?
HC Schiano deserves an extension just because he has less than 4 years?

If we had gone 3-9, would you advocate for an extension so he didn't have less than 4 years left?
If not, then your argument is immaterial.

I still think alot of you have no clue the level of rebuild he took over. It was arguably the biggest rebuild job in college football history. And thats not hyperbole.

He took over a gutted roster while in the hardest division in the sport. Some of you are either teenagers with the “wahhhhh i want it now!!!” Mindset or you raised this pussy generation of those kids.

 

[MADHAT1]

Too many people with unrealistic expectations on this board

you could be right, but it seems like when RU fans start having faith in the team, the team starts giving a reason to start doubting it will ever become one that good things can be expected from.

 

[newell138]

you could be right, but it seems like when RU fans start having faith in the team, the team starts giving a reason to start doubting it will ever become one that good things can be expected from.

That’s the case with most college football teams

 

[WhiteBus]

At least do some research. Northwestern and va tech are bowl eligible.

Of the teams we lost to?
Michigan: 12-0
Ohio State: 11-1
Penn State: 10-2
Iowa: 10-2
Wisconsin: 7-5
Maryland: 7-5

4 of the 6 losses are to consensus top 15 teams, 2 of which are in the top 4. The other 2, were at the hands of wisconsin who unfortunately we played them before their qb got hurt and maryland who has the big tens all time leading passer.

Iowa, Wisconsin and Maryland were all easily winnable games if we weren't a team with a one dimension offense.

 

[NickRU714]

I still think alot of you have no clue the level of rebuild he took over. It was arguably the biggest rebuild job in college football history. And thats not hyperbole.

He took over a gutted roster while in the hardest division in the sport. Some of you are either teenagers with the “wahhhhh i want it now!!!” Mindset or you raised this pussy generation of those kids.

While perhaps true, none of that has to do with my post.

Does every coach deserve an extension to always have 5+ years on their contract?
If so, then actual results don't matter.
HC Ash NEEDED an extension.
HC Flood NEEDED an extension.

The premise "HC Schiano NEEDS an extension because he has only 4 years left" is wrong.

Argue an extension based on results (which you are) but not on remaining years left.

 

[Knight Shift]

I still think alot of you have no clue the level of rebuild he took over. It was arguably the biggest rebuild job in college football history. And thats not hyperbole.

He took over a gutted roster while in the hardest division in the sport. Some of you are either teenagers with the “wahhhhh i want it now!!!” Mindset or you raised this pussy generation of those kids.

Is that a proper response to @NickRU714 's post?

Greg has 4 years on his contract (2024-2027).

What is the harm in waiting one more year for an extension. To Nick's question, put a different way, WHEN do results start to matter? When? Year 10 or 11? Yes, that is a facetious question. But is it too much to ask to get 7 or maybe 8 wins in year 5 of a rebuild. Why do it now? We have seen far worse outcomes at other schools when a coach has a fantastic one year and then crashes and burns. Greg has not even had a fantastic one year.

And you second paragraph is just insulting drivel and insulting. Try coming back with a constructive response instead of insults. When is is reasonable to expect 7 and 8 win seasons with some consistency? Year 20? See how that works? Seriously? When?

 

[MADHAT1]

Iowa, Wisconsin and Maryland were all easily winnable games if we weren't a team with a one dimension offense.

And that's why Schiano doesn't deserve an extenuation.
What he needs is to be told that his program needs to improve it's offensive performance before any raise or extension is even thought about.

 

[Knight Shift]

While perhaps true, none of that has to do with my post.

Does every coach deserve an extension to always have 5+ years on their contract?

If so, then actual results don't matter.
HC Ash NEEDED an extension.
HC Flood NEEDED an extension.

The premise "HC Schiano NEEDS an extension because he has only 4 years left" is wrong.

Argue an extension based on results (which you are) but not on remaining years left.

Except, IMO, the results do not justify an extension. And no raise. Wait another year. Who is going to scoop him up and steal him from us? And for the record, I like Greg and what he is doing, but would like to see improvements next year in: (1) Offense; (2) QB development (3) WR room (4) TEs and (5) Special teams

 

[KK1827]

Iowa, Wisconsin and Maryland were all easily winnable games if we weren't a team with a one dimension offense.

I dont disagree. But lets not act like we lost to some schlubs.

Iowa aint pretty but theyre 10-2 for a reason (and frankly would be 11-1 if not for a phantom fair catch call taking a game winning TD off the board vs minny).

 

[rutgersguy1]

I’ll give another example of where I’d hold the line…Jedd Fisch at Arizona has had a great year in year 3. 9 win season, 3rd place in the PAC and ranked in the mid teens in the CFP.

I’m sure he’ll get a new deal but who knows what next year will bring. Give a big bonus for this year but don’t commit long term and with lots of guaranteed money.

I mean what’s the point anyway and what do you actually gain as the school. Jonathan Smith is about to leave Oregon St and Mark Stoops UK…both are good coaches. They got nice deals from their schools but they’re still leaving. If they had tanked as coaches the schools would’ve been on the hook for long deals but if they’re good they still can leave. So you’ve taken on all the risk of the downside but didn’t get much of the upside.

Reported that Mark Stoops is staying at UK and not going to A&M.

He's a good coach and probably has UK at about potential, has done things there never done before. A couple 10 win seasons.

He makes 9M/yr. The last 2 seasons were 7 wins and 3-5 in the SEC. He was bumped up to 9M after his second 10 win season and has since followed it up with those 7 win seasons and under .500 in conference. For UK I think that's okay but for 9M/yr I don't know that I'd say that's okay. Pay for performance is my point and don't lock in to long term big obligations. Want to pay him 9M for that 10 win year okay but not for 7 win seasons and under .500 in conference as well. His contract goes out to 2031.

Mind you despite all that there was a real chance he could've left for A&M. There should be no chance of that for all the money you're pouring into him but coaches often leave despite these big contracts they get handed so what do you get? Just the downside of being locked in if things turn south.

I've mentioned Dave Doeren and how he's flirted with schools in the past but their former AD Debbie Yow held the line and in the end he always came back. You never know, don't give in and they may end up sticking around anyway. He was making 3.9M up to a couple years ago and then was bumped up to 5M and I think has 4 years on his contract currently. He's been there 11 years now. It's not as if you're paying them chicken feed. These are multimillion dollar jobs with generational money being handed over. There are qualified candidates out there who will take these jobs. It's the ADs job to find them when necessary not just kowtow to agents at every little whim.

Why are the distruptions to the norms always in favor of the agents/coaches? 8-10 year deals, lump sum payouts, no offsets etc.. Why cant' the distruption be from the side of the school. Big bonus for the years of extraordinary performance and "normal" multimillion dollar reasonable base salary otherwise.

 

[KK1827]

While perhaps true, none of that has to do with my post.

Does every coach deserve an extension to always have 5+ years on their contract?
If so, then actual results don't matter.
HC Ash NEEDED an extension.
HC Flood NEEDED an extension.

The premise "HC Schiano NEEDS an extension because he has only 4 years left" is wrong.

Argue an extension based on results (which you are) but not on remaining years left.

Its binary. Its either you extend or fire. There is no in between.

Schiano is well deserving of an extension considering hes gotten this program competitive and weve done a 180 from what he took over.

We walk into the stadium these days actually feeling like we have a chance to win most if not all games. Before he arrived we arrived at the stadium just hoping we’d keep it within 30 by half.

Alot of you guys are totally clueless in regards to how hard a job RU is. We are extremely luck to have him here.

Cc: @Knight Shift

 

[WhiteBus]

I dont disagree. But lets not act like we lost to some schlubs.

Iowa aint pretty but theyre 10-2 for a reason (and frankly would be 11-1 if not for a phantom fair catch call taking a game winning TD off the board vs minny).

Have you watched Iowa other then the Rutgers game? They aren't schlubs but they are all far from being great.

 

[jtung230]

Iowa, Wisconsin and Maryland were all easily winnable games if we weren't a team with a one dimension offense.

Easily?

 

[KK1827]

Have you watched Iowa other then the Rutgers game? They aren't schlubs but they are all far from being great.

I have. Theyre 10-2 and again, 1 awful play call from being 11-1. You are what your record says you are

 

[WhiteBus]

Easily?

Yes easily. Just as easy as stopping a one dimensionable offense.

 

[MADHAT1]

Its binary. Its either you extend or fire. There is no in between.

Schiano is well deserving of an extension considering hes gotten this program competitive and weve done a 180 from what he took over.

We walk into the stadium these days actually feeling like we have a chance to win most if not all games. Before he arrived we arrived at the stadium just hoping we’d keep it within 30 by half.

Schiano has 4 years left on his contract and really no suitors knocking at his door.
Greg' done a pretty fair job bringing RU FB back to respectability , but he needs to show he's the man to make RU the type of program that can compete with the best before extension or even a raise based on performance is discussed.
Schiano has done well enough to bring back for his fifth year, but not good enough to add to the time he has left on his contract.

As for firing him because this season wasn't an astounding success, he made a terrible program into a bowl qualifier so that should be enough to bring him back.
If you look at it in a generous manner, Schiano took over a program in the dumpster and will be having it in two bowl games in his 4 years back in charge of the program , that's not a firing offense .

 

[KK1827]

Schiano has 4 years left on his contract and really no suitors knocking at his door.
Greg' done a pretty fair job bringing RU FB back to respectability , but he needs to show
he's the man to make RU the type of program that can compete with the best before extension or even a raise based on performance is discussed.
Schiano has done well enough to bring back for his fifth year, but not good enough to add to the time he has left on his contract.

This is just void of reality of the college football landscape.

1) were not competing with the ohio states and michigans of the world (despite coming close to beating ohio st this year miraculously).

2) if you dont extend, you tank recruiting

3) an extension is worthy based on the job hes done

If you disagree, then youre saying he should be fired. And if thats the case who can Rutgers REALISTICALLY hire that is better?

 

[MADHAT1]

This is just void of reality of the college football landscape.

1) were not competing with the ohio states and michigans of the world (despite coming close to beating ohio st this year miraculously).

2) if you dont extend, you tank recruiting

3) an extension is worthy based on the job hes done

If you disagree, then youre saying he should be fired. And if thats the case who can Rutgers REALISTICALLY hire that is better?

no, he has enough time left on his contract to wait another year before the need to extend because of being worried about the effect not extending after 4 year is up.
When 5th year is completed then it's time to discus extending contract because only 3 years left on it.
I could see worrying about recruits feeling Schiano might not be Rutgers , but since there really is not a market for his services now, he looks like he won't be going anywhere and recruits will feel he';ll be at Rutgers for the whole 4 years left on his contract , especially since he made Rutgers bowl eligible this season

 

[rutgersguy1]

I've said this above somewhere but I think there's a good chance the contract will be adjusted somehow because that's a typical AD's MO. I'd be kind of surprised if it isn't. This is just back and forth debate and messageboard discussion.

 

[Knight Shift]

Its binary. Its either you extend or fire. There is no in between.

Schiano is well deserving of an extension considering hes gotten this program competitive and weve done a 180 from what he took over.

We walk into the stadium these days actually feeling like we have a chance to win most if not all games. Before he arrived we arrived at the stadium just hoping we’d keep it within 30 by half.

Alot of you guys are totally clueless in regards to how hard a job RU is. We are extremely luck to have him here.

Cc: @Knight Shift

Still with the insults. Not clueless at all. We saw no improvement in the offense as the year progressed. It was up and down all year long. That does not merit an extension. Special teams needs major work too.

And totally disagree it is binary. The man has 4 years left on his contract. No reason to extend with 4 years on the contract.

Being "competitive" meriting an extension is enabling mediocrity. I'll say it again- I'm happy he is here, and he is coming back. But we should see year over year improvement next year and then make a decision.

Please answer this question- If Rutgers goes 3-9/1-8 next year, will you say he still "deserved" (or deserves) an extension?

 

[WhiteBus]

I have. Theyre 10-2 and again, 1 awful play call from being 11-1. You are what your record says you are

Rutgers is 6-6 (after being 6-2) so stop trying to make excuses for them. They are what they are, very mediocre, one dimension offensive team.

 

[rutgersdave]

No extension discussion until the end of next season. If there aren’t any progress with the QB situation then maybe another year without an extension. I see less than 6 wins next season if we continue with Winsatt. Any extension will be with a small salary increase maybe $500k to $4.5 million and huge bonuses base on wins. No 2-3 million salary increase, that would be insanity.

Even with a good QB, we might be only good for 5-8 wins a season.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Reported that Mark Stoops is staying at UK and not going to A&M.

He's a good coach and probably has UK at about potential, has done things there never done before. A couple 10 win seasons.

He makes 9M/yr. The last 2 seasons were 7 wins and 3-5 in the SEC. He was bumped up to 9M after his second 10 win season and has since followed it up with those 7 win seasons and under .500 in conference. For UK I think that's okay but for 9M/yr I don't know that I'd say that's okay. Pay for performance is my point and don't lock in to long term big obligations. Want to pay him 9M for that 10 win year okay but not for 7 win seasons and under .500 in conference as well. His contract goes out to 2031.

Mind you despite all that there was a real chance he could've left for A&M. There should be no chance of that for all the money you're pouring into him but coaches often leave despite these big contracts they get handed so what do you get? Just the downside of being locked in if things turn south.

I've mentioned Dave Doeren and how he's flirted with schools in the past but their former AD Debbie Yow held the line and in the end he always came back. You never know, don't give in and they may end up sticking around anyway. He was making 3.9M up to a couple years ago and then was bumped up to 5M and I think has 4 years on his contract currently. He's been there 11 years now. It's not as if you're paying them chicken feed. These are multimillion dollar jobs with generational money being handed over. There are qualified candidates out there who will take these jobs. It's the ADs job to find them when necessary not just kowtow to agents at every little whim.

Why are the distruptions to the norms always in favor of the agents/coaches? 8-10 year deals, lump sum payouts, no offsets etc.. Why cant' the distruption be from the side of the school. Big bonus for the years of extraordinary performance and "normal" multimillion dollar reasonable base salary otherwise.

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Right on cue lol, here's Doeren again flirting.


From the article:

Additionally, State officials have interviewed a number of candidates in this search.

They first targeted Liberty coach Jamey Chadwell and advanced far enough into the process with Chadwell that salary figures were discussed, multiple sources told FootballScoop.

Additionally, State officials have talked at length to Troy head coach Jon Sumrall, Tulane's Willie Fritz and North Carolina State veteran head man Dave Doeren.

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-confirm-to-footballscoop-jeff-lebby-rising-in-mississippi-state-coaching-search

 

[Knight Shift]

This is just void of reality of the college football landscape.

1) were not competing with the ohio states and michigans of the world (despite coming close to beating ohio st this year miraculously).

2) if you dont extend, you tank recruiting

3) an extension is worthy based on the job hes done

If you disagree, then youre saying he should be fired. And if thats the case who can Rutgers REALISTICALLY hire that is better?

Devoid of reality in the college football landscape? Who says we have to follow what other teams are doing? And will ask again--who is going to swoop in and steal Greg from Rutgers this year? It might actually be to Greg's advantage to wait another year--if he has a better year next year, he would have more leverage for a sweeter deal. And you talk about "I want it now" stuff.

Newsflash-- Rutgers did not "come close to beating ohio state this year." Football games are 4 quarters. Losing by 19 points is not "coming close to beating" anyone.

And stop with the if you disagree, you're saying he should be fired. That's nonsense.

 

[KK1827]

Rutgers is 6-6 (after being 6-2) so stop trying to make excuses for them. They are what they are, very mediocre, one dimension offensive team.

Whod they lose those last 4 games to? But I want to beat THREE 10+ win teams in year 4 of the biggest rebuild in college football history WAHHHHHHHH!!!

 

[KK1827]

Still with the insults. Not clueless at all. We saw no improvement in the offense as the year progressed. It was up and down all year long. That does not merit an extension. Special teams needs major work too.

And totally disagree it is binary. The man has 4 years left on his contract. No reason to extend with 4 years on the contract.

Being "competitive" meriting an extension is enabling mediocrity. I'll say it again- I'm happy he is here, and he is coming back. But we should see year over year improvement next year and then make a decision.

Please answer this question- If Rutgers goes 3-9/1-8 next year, will you say he still "deserved" (or deserves) an extension?

Give me the context of the 3-9/1-8. How is progress looking on the field? What are the scores? Hows recruiting? Hows the offense/defense?

 

[KK1827]

No extension discussion until the end of next season. If there aren’t any progress with the QB situation then maybe another year without an extension. I see less than 6 wins next season if we continue with Winsatt. Any extension will be with a small salary increase maybe $500k to $4.5 million and huge bonuses base on wins. No 2-3 million salary increase, that would be insanity.

Void of reality. You dont comprehend the sport. Im not even being a dick, its just the truth.

 

[rutgersdave]

Void of reality. You dont comprehend the sport. Im not even being a dick, its just the truth.

Notice you are the only one arguing for an extension for Schiano and you probably want 8-9 million a year salary. You probably never were a manager responsible for money.