Politi: "Greg Schiano deserves a contract extension as Rutgers clears a major hurdle"

[RUDivision]

Didn’t we have a 3k yd passer, 2 1k yd WRs and RR. Oh, D also had the twins. But it was all luck. Forgot about the OL that had 3 NFL players. Just luck. You sound very bitter. Try to relax.

Absolutely and Greg still couldn’t win that terrible conference. Highlights his bad X and O’s in coaching. No one is poaching him . His last job as DC he was fired for lack of performance. Then cut loose from a job before he started. He had zero options and any thought of an extension is a waste of time and money

 

[Shelby65]

If the team tanks next year, the team tanks. What happens year to year doesn’t bother me, because I’m excited for where we’re going to be 5 years from now. Next year, we could take a step back, but should take a significant step forward in two years.

Fieldhouse Al….so a step back next year and a step forward the year after that is progress in your deficient mind ?

Who will be the star QB in the breakthrough year ?

 

[jtung230]

Absolutely and Greg still couldn’t win that terrible conference. Highlights his bad X and O’s in coaching. No one is poaching him . His last job as DC he was fired for lack of performance. Then cut loose from a job before he started. He had zero options and any thought of an extension is a waste of time and money

You mean the terrible conference that had 2 top 10 teams? Just the facts.

 

[rutgersguy1]

I wonder if the recent reporting that his record is worse than the fired previous coach’s record was has something to do with it, even at the staggering cost.

This is why it’s foolish to give long term contracts.

This Matt Brown tweet is the problem. Most of these ADs have rings run around them by agents. I don't blame the agents or coaches, why shouldn't they get what they can. The problem is most ADs don't really have the background to deal with it and negotiate better. These are multimillion dollar jobs that provide generational wealth, they have leverage but act like they have none.

Fisher is 7-12 in his last 19 P5 games. His reworked deal is a perfect example of why I say don't give big deals on short term results. They reworked a fairly new 10yr/75M deal after that one season where they got up to #5 and refreshed it to a a new 10yr deal like for like 90-95M. What 7.5M wasn't good enough? LOL. IIRC his deal was so sweetheart, he didn't even have to pay a dime if he left and that's becoming more commonplace these days. The school is on the hook for all of it.

Think of all the money they spent and will have to spend on new and old coaches and NIL and it's gotten them squat lol. Money is helpful for sure and you'd rather have it than not but if you don't use it wisely it's just wasted resources. The less you have the more wise you need to be.

 

[4382]

It’s not unless you are in a division with 3 top 10 teams. I agree it’s less impressive when you are in the non-P5 or ACC.

Even with that it not a major deal to go 6-3 against a bunch of mediocre and bad teams.

 

[rutgersdave]

Iowa was playing with their backup QB, Hill, a transfer from Wisconsin for the last six games. Cade McNamara was injured in the Michigan State game. Cade McNamara played for Michigan and transferred to Iowa.

That’s planning, have experienced QB as your backup plan. That’s something Schiano needs to learn. We need to planning who we want in the QB transfer.

 

[rutgersguy1]

This Matt Brown tweet is the problem. Most of these ADs have rings run around them by agents. I don't blame the agents or coaches, why shouldn't they get what they can. The problem is most ADs don't really have the background to deal with it and negotiate better. These are multimillion dollar jobs that provide generational wealth, they have leverage but act like they have none.

Fisher is 7-12 in his last 19 P5 games. His reworked deal is a perfect example of why I say don't give big deals on short term results. They reworked a fairly new 10yr/75M deal after that one season where they got up to #5 and refreshed it to a a new 10yr deal like for like 90-95M. What 7.5M wasn't good enough? LOL. IIRC his deal was so sweetheart, he didn't even have to pay a dime if he left and that's becoming more commonplace these days. The school is on the hook for all of it.

Think of all the money they spent and will have to spend on new and old coaches and NIL and it's gotten them squat lol. Money is helpful for sure and you'd rather have it than not but if you don't use it wisely it's just wasted resources. The less you have the more wise you need to be.

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See my point about sweetheart deals and ADs having rings run around them.

 

[Shelby65]

This Matt Brown tweet is the problem. Most of these ADs have rings run around them by agents. I don't blame the agents or coaches, why shouldn't they get what they can. The problem is most ADs don't really have the background to deal with it and negotiate better. These are multimillion dollar jobs that provide generational wealth, they have leverage but act like they have none.

Fisher is 7-12 in his last 19 P5 games. His reworked deal is a perfect example of why I say don't give big deals on short term results. They reworked a fairly new 10yr/75M deal after that one season where they got up to #5 and refreshed it to a a new 10yr deal like for like 90-95M. What 7.5M wasn't good enough? LOL. IIRC his deal was so sweetheart, he didn't even have to pay a dime if he left and that's becoming more commonplace these days. The school is on the hook for all of it.

Think of all the money they spent and will have to spend on new and old coaches and NIL and it's gotten them squat lol. Money is helpful for sure and you'd rather have it than not but if you don't use it wisely it's just wasted resources. The less you have the more wise you need to be.

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AD’s do know the contracts are foolish but they want to make a splash and be popular #Hobbs

 

[rutgersguy1]

AD’s do know the contracts are foolish but they want to make a splash and be popular #Hobbs

Maybe but I see it as lack of background and OPM (other people's money) syndrome.

 

[jtung230]

Even with that it not a major deal to go 6-3 against a bunch of mediocre and bad teams.

Confused. Who did we lose to that’s mediocre or bad this year? We are 6-0 against those teams and lost 3 to top 25 (2 in top 4). Wisc is a different team now after losing their QB and RBs.

 

[rutgersdave]

Iowa was playing with their backup QB, Hill, a transfer from Wisconsin for the last six games. Cade McNamara was injured in the Michigan State game. Cade McNamara played for Michigan and transferred to Iowa.

That’s planning, have experienced QB as your backup plan. That’s something Schiano needs to learn. We need to planning who we want in the QB transfer.

Tyler Van Dyke, Miami QB benched against Florida State, with the freshman QB started will be available in the portal.

 

[RUforlife]

Confused. Who did we lose to that’s mediocre or bad this year? We are 6-0 against those teams and lost 3 to top 25 (2 in top 4). Wisc is a different team now after losing their QB and RBs.

Put it another way, who did we beat that is any good, Temple, Wagner? And let's not forget we were down 3 scores to MSU in the second half before they literally handed us that game with their utter special team incompetence.

 

[jtung230]

Put it another way, who did we beat that is any good, Temple, Wagner? And let's not forget we were down 3 scores to MSU in the second half before they literally handed us that game with their utter special team incompetence.

So, we didn’t beat anybody good but we only lost to top teams in the B1G and country. What does it prove?

 

[jtung230]

Tyler Van Dyke, Miami QB benched against Florida State, with the freshman QB started will be available in the portal.

The benched QB or the freshman? If you are talking about the benches QB, why?

 

[RUforlife]

So, we didn’t beat anybody good but we only lost to top teams in the B1G and country. What does it prove?

It really doesn't prove anything, unfortunately. It is a tough year to conclude that we have really turned the corner, I would like to see one win against a team playing good football when we beat them. That would be a real positive going into next year.

 

[jtung230]

It really doesn't prove anything, unfortunately. It is a tough year to conclude that we have really turned the corner, I would like to see one win against a team playing good football when we beat them. That would be a real positive going into next year.

Still 2 games left 😀

ETA actually 3 games left

 

[rutgersdave]

The benched QB or the freshman? If you are talking about the benches QB, why?

He threw a few interceptions but was the starter for 3 years and 63% completion. There have been many benched QB transfers in the NFL. Burrow in Cincinnati, Ewers starter in Texas will be drafted this year, Levis just started for Titans.

Go after the temple QB, his passing ain’t bad.

 

[RUforlife]

He threw a few interceptions but was the starter for 3 years and 63% completion. There have been many benched QB transfers in the NFL. Burrow in Cincinnati, Ewers starter in Texas will be drafted this year, Levis just started for Titans.

Go after the temple QB, his passing ain’t bad.

I was thinking the same thing, Warner isn't winning the Heisman anytime soon, but his passing efficiency along with our running game would make for a formidable offense.

 

[jtung230]

He threw a few interceptions but was the starter for 3 years and 63% completion. There have been many benched QB transfers in the NFL. Burrow in Cincinnati, Ewers starter in Texas will be drafted this year, Levis just started for Titans.

Go after the temple QB, his passing ain’t bad.

Burrow and Evers have or had better options than RU. Don’t know much about Levi’s in college. Between NIL and surrounding pieces, RU will not be a top choice for the top QB. We are stuck with the likes of Noah Vederal.

 

[rutgersdave]

Burrow and Evers have or had better options than RU. Don’t know much about Levi’s in college. Between NIL and surrounding pieces, RU will not be a top choice for the top QB. We are stuck with the likes of Noah Vederal.

We don’t need that high quality just better completion % than Winsatt. let the competition begin, maybe Winsatt wins and we have a backup. It’s a starting QB in the Big Ten. That‘s Schiano job just like recruiting from high school

Iowa got the QB from Wisconsin and Michigan to transfer there.

 

[jtung230]

We don’t need that high quality just better completion % than Winsatt. let the competition begin, maybe Winsatt wins and we have a qubackup.

I 100% agree. Competition brings out the best. I just have a problem with the concept let’s try someone else. What do we have to lose. That’s not competition.

 

[Shelby65]

we all know GS is committed to GW so talk of benching him is just internet banter and not ever happening.

Schiano said it himself: we’re a running team, and that includes the QB. Lower turnover risk and therefore fits better with his emphasis on the defense.

 

[rutgersdave]

we all know GS is committed to GW so talk of benching him is just internet banter and not ever happening.

Schiano said it himself: we’re a running team, and that includes the QB. Lower turnover risk and therefore fits better with his emphasis on the defense.

I don’t think so, Schiano will be fired if Winsatt doesn’t perform for two more years. That’s bull***, we had passing QBs in the past. Even Iowa went after passing QB.

 

[Shelby65]

Maybe but I see it as lack of background and OPM (other people's money) syndrome.

Ok, point taken. It’s probably both things.

 

[Knight Shift]

This Matt Brown tweet is the problem. Most of these ADs have rings run around them by agents. I don't blame the agents or coaches, why shouldn't they get what they can. The problem is most ADs don't really have the background to deal with it and negotiate better. These are multimillion dollar jobs that provide generational wealth, they have leverage but act like they have none.

Fisher is 7-12 in his last 19 P5 games. His reworked deal is a perfect example of why I say don't give big deals on short term results. They reworked a fairly new 10yr/75M deal after that one season where they got up to #5 and refreshed it to a a new 10yr deal like for like 90-95M. What 7.5M wasn't good enough? LOL. IIRC his deal was so sweetheart, he didn't even have to pay a dime if he left and that's becoming more commonplace these days. The school is on the hook for all of it.

Think of all the money they spent and will have to spend on new and old coaches and NIL and it's gotten them squat lol. Money is helpful for sure and you'd rather have it than not but if you don't use it wisely it's just wasted resources. The less you have the more wise you need to be.

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Maybe you made the point too, but let's not forget:

Prior to the 2021 season, the Texas A&M Board of Regents voted to extend Fisher's contract through the 2031 season.

"When Fisher came to Texas A&M from Florida State after eight seasons in 2017, he initially signed a 10-year, $75 million contract. With the new four-year contract extension through 2031, Fisher will make $9 million starting on Jan. 1 2022 and will increase by $150,000 on Jan. 1, 2023."

This sounds a lot like what @rutgersal says:

“Coach Fisher continues to demonstrate he is building our program for long-term success and he is a perfect fit for Texas A&M. Providing the appropriate amount of stability and continuity during this important time is critical as we support our football program at the highest level," said Aggies athletic director Ross Bjork.

Texas A&M, Jimbo Fisher Finalizing Extension

Fisher's contract extension would raise his salary to more than $9 million per year.

www.si.com

What exactly did Jimbo do to deserve this? Nothing!!!!!

2018	Texas A&M	9–4	5–3	T–2nd (Western)	W Gator	16	16
2019	Texas A&M	8–5	4–4	4th (Western)	W Texas
2020	Texas A&M	9–1	8–1	2nd (Western)	W Orange†	4	4
2021	Texas A&M	8–4	4–4	T–3rd (Western)	Gator[n 2]

3rd place in the Western Division---woo hoo!!! That's also tied for 3rd from last!!!

How did Jimbo perform with that new raise?

2022

Texas A&M

5–7

2–6

T–6th (Western)

No freaking way do we hand out an extension this year, or I may be done. No way. No, No, No. Two years in a row of sustained success. I don't care if other lunatic programs do the same thing and "This is the way it is done." It's wrong. And it has to stop. Rutgers does not have unlimited funds to pay fired coaches.

If there is ANY renegotiation or extension, there should be a performance clause, and if the HC does not perform to that standard, he is fired without severance pay or buyout. None, nothing. You suck, you get fired. Just like every other working slob. You do a bad job, you are fired. This is nonsense.

 

[Shelby65]

I don’t think so, Schiano will be fired if Winsatt doesn’t perform for two more years. That’s bull***, we had passing QBs in the past. Even Iowa went after passing QB.

Much better defenses in this conference than the BigEast. Different animal and much greater risk. He’s got 2 more years after Wimsatt and doesn’t have to worry about his job until year 7 at the earliest, and that’s only if he doesn’t get an extension.

Can you name any of the Wisky QBs for Ron Dayne, Melvin Gordon and Jonathan Taylor? They were running QBs. That’s what Schiano is trying to do.

5 wins a year and he’s safe with this type of offense and QB production.

 

[brgRC90]

You discount GS wins because they are against teams he is supposed to beat but gives credit to Franklin for doing the same. The fact Franklin’s name is coming up is because he can’t beat teams on their level. Did he have top 10 teams at Vandy? Born on 3rd base.

Who cares about Franklin? Why would you give even more than the 4 years left to a guy who can't beat a Top 50 team?

 

[jtung230]

Who cares about Franklin? Why would you give even more than the 4 years left to a guy who can't beat a Top 50 team?

Because when he took over, we couldn’t beat anyone in D1. In 4 years, we have moved up 40+ spots. Some may think it’s the ceiling but the trend tells a different story. Honestly, top 25 is hard to achieve. If we can be between 26 to 35, sign me up.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Maybe you made the point too, but let's not forget:

Prior to the 2021 season, the Texas A&M Board of Regents voted to extend Fisher's contract through the 2031 season.

"When Fisher came to Texas A&M from Florida State after eight seasons in 2017, he initially signed a 10-year, $75 million contract. With the new four-year contract extension through 2031, Fisher will make $9 million starting on Jan. 1 2022 and will increase by $150,000 on Jan. 1, 2023."

This sounds a lot like what @rutgersal says:

“Coach Fisher continues to demonstrate he is building our program for long-term success and he is a perfect fit for Texas A&M. Providing the appropriate amount of stability and continuity during this important time is critical as we support our football program at the highest level," said Aggies athletic director Ross Bjork.

Texas A&M, Jimbo Fisher Finalizing Extension

Fisher's contract extension would raise his salary to more than $9 million per year.

www.si.com

What exactly did Jimbo do to deserve this? Nothing!!!!!

2018	Texas A&M	9–4	5–3	T–2nd (Western)	W Gator	16	16
2019	Texas A&M	8–5	4–4	4th (Western)	W Texas
2020	Texas A&M	9–1	8–1	2nd (Western)	W Orange†	4	4
2021	Texas A&M	8–4	4–4	T–3rd (Western)	Gator[n 2]

3rd place in the Western Division---woo hoo!!! That's also tied for 3rd from last!!!

How did Jimbo perform with that new raise?

2022

Texas A&M

5–7

2–6

T–6th (Western)

No freaking way do we hand out an extension this year, or I may be done. No way. No, No, No. Two years in a row of sustained success. I don't care if other lunatic programs do the same thing and "This is the way it is done." It's wrong. And it has to stop. Rutgers does not have unlimited funds to pay fired coaches.

If there is ANY renegotiation or extension, there should be a performance clause, and if the HC does not perform to that standard, he is fired without severance pay or buyout. None, nothing. You suck, you get fired. Just like every other working slob. You do a bad job, you are fired. This is nonsense.

Yup mentioned it early in this thread and in the carousel thread too. His one 9-1 season that landed them at #5 got him a “refreshed” 10 year deal off the 10 year deal that was only 2-3 years in. Perfect example of handing out big contracts on short term results. Why does fairly new 10yr deal need to be revisited? It doesn’t and it’s lunacy to hand out 10yr deals in the first place. Who the hell can predict next year let alone 10 years. I see more 7-10 yr deals lately which is crazy imo.

Gonna cost them 100-150M for the old staff and new staff when all is said and done.

Tom Allen had good results for two years which I mentioned as well, would’ve even made an 12 team playoff one of those years and look at him now. IU would owe him 20M if they fired him before Dec next year and then 8M after.

The future is unknown but they pay like it’s known. Ive said this many times, the more prudent way to pay if everyone is so antsy to hand out money is to have a lower base salary and just massive bonuses tied to performance and wins so you’re paying for known results and not unknown ones.

 

[jtung230]

Yup mentioned it early in this thread and in the carousel thread too. His one 9-1 season that landed them at #5 got him a “refreshed” 10 year deal off the 10 year deal that was only 2-3 years in. Perfect example of handing out big contracts on short term results. Why does fairly new 10yr deal need to be revisited? It doesn’t and it’s lunacy to hand out 10yr deals in the first place. Who the hell can predict next year let alone 10 years. I see more 7-10 yr deals lately which is crazy imo.

Gonna cost them 100-150M for the old staff and new staff when all is said and done.

Tom Allen had good results for two years which I mentioned as well, would’ve even made an 12 team playoff one of those years and look at him now. IU would owe him 20M if they fired him before Dec next year and then 8M after.

The future is unknown but they pay like it’s known. Ive said this many times, the more prudent way to pay if everyone is so antsy to hand out money is to have a lower base salary and just massive bonuses tied to performance and wins so you’re paying for known results and not unknown ones.

Only if every team would do this…….

 

[brgRC90]

Because when he took over, we couldn’t beat anyone in D1. In 4 years, we have moved up 40+ spots. Some may think it’s the ceiling but the trend tells a different story. Honestly, top 25 is hard to achieve. If we can be between 26 to 35, sign me up.

The trend only shows going from really bad to middle of the pack. Past experience with Schiano strongly suggests his ceiling is about where he is now.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Only if every team would do this…….

If others want to be financially irresponsible that’s their problem not ours.

Since we have less we need to be even smarter and wiser with what we do have. There are competent coaches out there who will still come for multimillion dollar salaries. Deboer’s first UW deal was 3M or so and his second was 4M. Leipold was somewhat similar and Kleinman too on their first contracts. They’ve been bumped since then but in the end if they want to leave will any of those bumps stop them, not really so what did you get for it?

It’s even crazier bumping guys who aren’t in demand. Some coaches are but many aren’t so why the need to mess with a contract. I gave the example of Dave Doeren who flirted with a few jobs over the years when Debbie Yow iirc didn’t give him any contract bumps and in the end after all these years he’s still there. He got some contract bumps since but it wasn’t all those flirtations that made a difference.

Just stand your ground and offer what’s reasonable and manageable within your means. Sometimes things will still be status quo and if a coach leaves well then so be it, it’s your job as AD to find a suitable replacement and often you haven’t let the next Saban walk out that door. Schools are what they are in the food chain and some have to just keep replacing like Boise or UCF or Cincy or Temple who have a had a good string of hires in the past. It is what it is, sometimes you’ll hit and sometimes you won’t but don’t go overboard with sweetheart deals.

 

[Shelby65]

Yup mentioned it early in this thread and in the carousel thread too. His one 9-1 season that landed them at #5 got him a “refreshed” 10 year deal off the 10 year deal that was only 2-3 years in. Perfect example of handing out big contracts on short term results. Why does fairly new 10yr deal need to be revisited? It doesn’t and it’s lunacy to hand out 10yr deals in the first place. Who the hell can predict next year let alone 10 years. I see more 7-10 yr deals lately which is crazy imo.

Gonna cost them 100-150M for the old staff and new staff when all is said and done.

Tom Allen had good results for two years which I mentioned as well, would’ve even made an 12 team playoff one of those years and look at him now. IU would owe him 20M if they fired him before Dec next year and then 8M after.

The future is unknown but they pay like it’s known. Ive said this many times, the more prudent way to pay if everyone is so antsy to hand out money is to have a lower base salary and just massive bonuses tied to performance and wins so you’re paying for known results and not unknown ones.

Except you won’t attract coaches who will get in salary from other schools. Just takes 1.

 

[jtung230]

If others want to be financially irresponsible that’s their problem not ours.

Since we have less we need to be even smarter and wiser with what we do have. There are competent coaches out there who will still come for multimillion dollar salaries. Deboer’s first UW deal was 3M or so and his second was 4M. Leipold was somewhat similar and Kleinman too on their first contracts. They’ve been bumped since then but in the end if they want to leave will any of those bumps stop them, not really so what did you get for it?

It’s even crazier bumping guys who aren’t in demand. Some coaches are but many aren’t so why the need to mess with a contract. I gave the example of Dave Doeren who flirted with a few jobs over the years when Debbie Yow iirc didn’t give him any contract bumps and in the end after all these years he’s still there. He got some contract bumps since but it wasn’t all those flirtations that made a difference.

Just stand your ground and offer what’s reasonable and manageable within your means. Sometimes things will still be status quo and if a coach leaves well then so be it, it’s your job as AD to find a suitable replacement and often you haven’t let the next Saban walk out that door. Schools are what they are in the food chain and some have to just keep replacing like Boise or UCF or Cincy or Temple who have a had a good string of hires in the past. It is what it is, sometimes you’ll hit and sometimes you won’t but don’t go overboard with sweetheart deals.

so we are smart with our money but others are not. This means every time we have a good coach he will get hired away if they proved to be successful. Be the farm team for the big boys.

 

[rutgersguy1]

so we are smart with our money but others are not. This means every time we have a good coach he will get hired away if they proved to be successful. Be the farm team for the big boys.

Sometimes that will be the case and sometimes you’ll have a guy like Doeren who is still there all these years.

Not everyone gets hired away and some who do get hired away demonstrate they weren’t worth it at their new school.

 

[rutgersguy1]

so we are smart with our money but others are not. This means every time we have a good coach he will get hired away if they proved to be successful. Be the farm team for the big boys.

Should also add what I mentioned above, you do these contract bumps and extensions and you’re still potentially a farm team so what did you gain?

How many contracts are bumped and still the coach leaves later on? All you got is an increase of the risk of potential downside but gained none of the upside.

 

[RU#1fan]

Iowa was playing with their backup QB, Hill, a transfer from Wisconsin for the last six games. Cade McNamara was injured in the Michigan State game. Cade McNamara played for Michigan and transferred to Iowa.

That’s planning, have experienced QB as your backup plan. That’s something Schiano needs to learn. We need to planning who we want in the QB transfer.

Or give Simon a chance at QB. Wimsatt has been a disaster. With a much improved OL and new OC give Simon playing time. Can’t be any worse than what we have seen.

 

[Shelby65]

Clearly GW is inaccurate and makes some bad decisions. But the ultra conservative philosophy compounds that problem by being too predictable and short yardage oriented.

They don’t take honest deep shots downfield even if to possibly draw PI. The deep throws are out of bounds anyway, not serving any purpose

Have they returned a single punt ?

There’s so much more they could do to give the team a chance against good teams but instead they only play for field position hoping the D will get turnovers.

They wouldn’t do anything different with Simon so that wouldn’t solve anything.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Except you won’t attract coaches who will get in salary from other schools. Just takes 1.

that's the mistake, you and others think you need money to attract a good coach. There are plenty of good coaches who'd love to coach in the BIG

Greg is overpaid for results, zero question on that

We could get 6 wins with someone from sunbelt with this schedule this year and next

 

[Shelby65]

Actual Xs and Os yes. Good coaches abound. But you also need to pay for credibility and buzz for fans and recruits. Hobbs hired Schiano because that’s what the fan base wanted. That created added spark for fans.

Say what you will about Deion and the losing streak, but he put Colorado on the map immediately and they are miles ahead of where they were last year.