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Poll: IF we miss the tournament, is it time to fire Pike?

Fire Pike?

  • Yes, immediately

  • No, let the new AD decide after one more season

  • No, he has earned the right to finish out his contract or leave on his own terms


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You're kind of changing the argument here. If I'm a new basketball coach coming in at any football school, I am demanding it being written into my contract that I get at least that and probably ask for more. I think I'd want to start at getting 5 million of the 20.5. Why not ask? I would have Rutgers over the barrel at this point. There are no rules as to how you divide the money. I'm not saying Rutgers can't afford it, I'm saying any good coach coming here is going to ask for a lot of the pot. You think a certain football coach would want that to happen?
I'm very confident that any mbb coach at Rutgers will get as much revenue sharing as at least 90+% coaches out there. Who is getting more. The only schools funding the full amount to begin with are sec and B1G schools (plus a few others that can afford it). So unless you think Rutgers will allocate more of the max to football than other max schools do, well, see my math above.
 
I'm very confident that any mbb coach at Rutgers will get as much revenue sharing as at least 90+% coaches out there. Who is getting more. The only schools funding the full amount to begin with are sec and B1G schools (plus a few others that can afford it). So unless you think Rutgers will allocate more of the max to football than other max schools do, well, see my math above.
Your math has Rutgers basketball getting 2.05 million of the revenue sharing (10% of 20.5 mil). I'm saying if I were a coach coming to coach basketball at the schools with both football and basketball, I'd have it written into my contract that basketball gets at least 5 mil of the 20.5. And I think you are going to see that start happening, particularly at schools like Rutgers where it has been difficult historically to win.
 
Your math has Rutgers basketball getting 2.05 million of the revenue sharing (10% of 20.5 mil). I'm saying if I were a coach coming to coach basketball at the schools with both football and basketball, I'd have it written into my contract that basketball gets at least 5 mil of the 20.5. And I think you are going to see that start happening, particularly at schools like Rutgers where it has been difficult historically to win.
And my point is what school other than maybe Duke or NC (neither of which can likely fully fund to begin with) would do that? The deal you are putting out there as the need isn't realistic anywhere. The Rutgers coach will do as well as any other coach and better than the vast majority
 
And my point is what school other than maybe Duke or NC (neither of which can likely fully fund to begin with) would do that? The deal you are putting out there as the need isn't realistic anywhere. The Rutgers coach will do as well as any other coach and better than the vast majority
Yeah, and that's my point... Rutgers won't do that so they won't get a top coach. If they fire Pikiell (they won't), the candidates are going to not be as good as you think.
 
Yeah, and that's my point... Rutgers won't do that so they won't get a top coach. If they fire Pikiell (they won't), the candidates are going to not be as good as you think.
Huh? Doing better than 90% of schools isn't enough? I'm out on this one. Good luck to you and hope you don't work in finance
 
Huh? Doing better than 90% of schools isn't enough? I'm out on this one. Good luck to you and hope you don't work in finance

I know you're out... but by your math, Rutgers basketball would be getting 2.05 million of the revenue money. Texas Tech is giving their basketball program 3.6 million! And if I'm a very good coach going to a program that has always failed after they fired THE ONLY GUY WHO HAS DONE IT IN 30 YEARS, I'm asking for even more than that. Because I know if I slip up I'm getting fired, so I need enough resources to get the best players I can. This isn't finance--it's sports.
 
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I know you're out... but by your math, Rutgers basketball would be getting 2.05 million of the revenue money. Texas Tech is giving their basketball program 3.6 million! And if I'm a very good coach going to a program that has always failed after they fired THE ONLY GUY WHO HAS DONE IT IN 30 YEARS, I'm asking for even more than that. Because I know if I slip up I'm getting fired, so I need enough resources to get the best players I can. This isn't finance--it's sports.
OK good luck
 
I hate this whole lottery pick......lottery picks are players with potential to succeed in the NBA. That is VERY different than succeeding right now in the B1G.

There are either 0,1 or 2 players I would rather have right now if I am a GM in the NBA draft. There are probably 300+ players I would rather have if I am Steve Pikiell right now.
there are not 10 better players in college basketball than dylan harper. ace is a little more of a raw talent, but he has the skill to be an All-B1G player this season, and it’s up to Pike to tap some of his potential in the here and now and use him effectively
 
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I don’t think he has, especially if we fail to make the tournament this year
Sorry but calling for someone to be fired with no plan seem idiotic.
As I’ve said before, I’m grateful for Pikiell taking the job when he did; he did a great job in stabilizing the program and breaking our horrendous tournament drought. But we’ve been regressing as a program the past few seasons, and one round of 32 appearance in 9 years shouldn’t make a coach untouchable. Pike helped make us a big boy program but if he can’t maintain it we need to find someone who can.
Your posts suggest that you have no idea how hard it is to be a coach in a middle (at best) to lower athletic program in the big ten. You can’t just hire a new coach and like magic, you become a high level program. There is a very high chance that any coach they hire to replace Pike will fail. There are many factors going against you (money, fan base, history and politics to name a few) at a school like Rutgers. It’s just reality. What Pike has done is incredible. Could someone else do it? Sure it’s possible, just not likely. It’s not about settling, it’s about giving your program the best chance at winning. Pike has done that at a high level and the fact they you keep quoting his ncaa tournament record just shows your lack of understanding.
 
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This is what I'm saying. GOOD LUCK TO RUTGERS GETTING A GOOD COACH IF THEY WERE TO FIRE PIKES (which they won't)! Thank you for finally agreeing with me!
I don't agree with you and think you are completely wrong. I have explained why in detail several times. You just don't seem capable of understanding. Which is fine. The world needs you too. But I am moving on
 
What Pike has done is incredible. Could someone else do it? Sure it’s possible, just not likely. It’s not about settling, it’s about giving your program the best chance at winning. Pike has done that at a high level and the fact they you keep quoting his ncaa tournament record just shows your lack of understanding.
you’re telling me that Pike gives our program the best chance at winning but you also tell me I can’t criticize his lack of NCAA tournament success? when do we get to the winning part?
 
I could understand choosing option 2 here, but it’s disheartening to see that many of you would be willing to put up with this indefinitely
Many of us are thinking about the past 30 years. Our biggest problem this year is trying to find combinations that work. I think we would have been doing better if we had several guys returning and trying to fit a handful in. Trying to fit 10 in with 3 returning is not easy. We have also been in most games. Do we need to improve? Absolutely. However, I did have a lot of concern about the complete overhaul from the beginning.
 
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You need to compare Rutgers to the other Big Ten schools. That’s who the coach will be competing against.
Same TV revenue as them and more than the masses other than the sec. Cry poverty all you want. It's not true and there is more than enough to find a very competitive program
 
Do football and mbb make money for us? Yes. The rest is a compliance obligation (absurd as that may be that it still exists). We are part of an elite group of schools residing in a conference with the most financially lucrative media rights contract in college sports. So no, we don't have a revenue problem. I honestly don't even know what you are trying to say, but you go figure it out. I'm done.

“Cancel all sports but football and basketball”.

JFC.
 
Many of us are thinking about the past 30 years. Our biggest problem this year is trying to find combinations that work. I think we would have been doing better if we had several guys returning and trying to fit a handful in. Trying to fit 10 in with 3 returning is not easy. We have also been in most games. Do we need to improve? Absolutely. However, I did have a lot of concern about the complete overhaul from the beginning.

Of those 3 - only 1 played all season. We’d be elite if Gavin turned out to be what he was supposed to be and Baye didn’t flip to GT. Not sure people understand how a single season or class cant be viewed in isolation.
 
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he will be here for two seasons after this one...FACT
Agree. Can't see a scenario otherwise. Doesn't mean I agree. I just think Rutgers and it's fans are way too complacent. Everything needs to be shoved up their @sses like Flood, Julie and Ash before they can accept change. And that's begrudgingly because it already happened and they didn't have a choice
 
Anyone who really knows our situation, and has been a fan for 20+ years would not even have the thought of Pike going enter their mind.


Not true, if he goes .500 or so this year with no NCAA he is on notice...3 straight years with no tourney bid and a collossal failure this season

if 2025-2026 isnt much better or gasp worse which is highly LIKELY given what is coming back and coming in and apparently RUs inability to pay anyone better than A10 to come here then his seat is FIRE

4 STRAIGHT seasons of no tourney which means 2026-2027 is put up or shut up. The board hems and haws over slight progress like they did during Jordan, Pike goes 17-14 and some say he is on the move again but most say he isnt getting it done...5 SEASONS NO NCAA...to me that is my line. He has two seasons after this one

recruiting is now all about the portal and having a couple of competant players as bridges, its not about building 4 year players or taking your time to gel
 
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Not true, if he goes .500 or so this year with no NCAA he is on notice...3 straight years with no tourney bid and a collossal failure this season

if 2025-2026 isnt much better or gasp worse which is highly LIKELY given what is coming back and coming in and apparently RUs inability to pay anyone better than A10 to come here then his seat is FIRE

4 STRAIGHT seasons of no tourney which means 2026-2027 is put up or shut up. The board hems and haws over slight progress like they did during Jordan, Pike goes 17-14 and some say he is on the move again but most say he isnt getting it done...5 SEASONS NO NCAA...to me that is my line. He has two seasons after this one

recruiting is now all about the portal and having a couple of competant players as bridges, its not about building 4 year players or taking your time to gel
What he meant to say was anyone on this board. Don't paint all fans as delusional
 
there are not 10 better players in college basketball than dylan harper. ace is a little more of a raw talent, but he has the skill to be an All-B1G player this season, and it’s up to Pike to tap some of his potential in the here and now and use him effectively
There are 300+ players in college basketball id take over Ace

Very few over dylan
 
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Do football and mbb make money for us? Yes. The rest is a compliance obligation (absurd as that may be that it still exists). We are part of an elite group of schools residing in a conference with the most financially lucrative media rights contract in college sports. So no, we don't have a revenue problem. I honestly don't even know what you are trying to say, but you go figure it out. I'm done.
You're talking to block of wood at this point.
 
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You do realize the revenue sharing isn't the end all be all? Let's say hoops gets... 3 million of the 20.5--is that going to be enough to field a top team? The next potential coach is going to want guarantees more can be raised on top of it to attract the talent--or at least the good candidates would. I don't know. I don't think Pikes is getting fired any time soon, but I don't know what you'd get if you fire Pikes after this season. I think it would be a huge mistake.
He is not getting canned this year but his seat will be scorching hot. It will be a massive massive national failure and if he misses the tourney in 25-26 he's absolutely fired.
 
This is what I'm saying. GOOD LUCK TO RUTGERS GETTING A GOOD COACH IF THEY WERE TO FIRE PIKES (which they won't)! Thank you for finally agreeing with me!
It wont happen any time soon but theyd have a line out the door.

What Rutgers has to offer

1) top 20ish salary amongst college basketball coaches
2) top 10 home court in america
3) top 10 practice facility
4) top tier rev share with the big ten
5) fertile recruiting grounds

This aint your fathers Rutgers
 
It wont happen any time soon but theyd have a line out the door.

What Rutgers has to offer

1) top 20ish salary amongst college basketball coaches
2) top 10 home court in america
3) top 10 practice facility
4) top tier rev share with the big ten
5) fertile recruiting grounds

This aint your fathers Rutgers
..and (6) no alumni/donors to buy and or retain premier athletes
 
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It wont happen any time soon but theyd have a line out the door.

What Rutgers has to offer

1) top 20ish salary amongst college basketball coaches
2) top 10 home court in america
3) top 10 practice facility
4) top tier rev share with the big ten
5) fertile recruiting grounds

This aint your fathers Rutgers
He is down to, yeah but NIL payout won't be 5M only 2M so no one will take the job so we should just keep missing the tournament because the current guy got us there in the play in game 4 years ago.
 
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It wont happen any time soon but theyd have a line out the door.

What Rutgers has to offer

1) top 20ish salary amongst college basketball coaches
2) top 10 home court in america
3) top 10 practice facility
4) top tier rev share with the big ten
5) fertile recruiting grounds

This aint your fathers Rutgers
How much of that revenue share would be earmarked for hoops?
 
From the APP:
April 1, 2025 through March 31, 2026: $3,750,000

April 1, 2026 through March 31, 2027: $3,850,000

April 1, 2027 through March 31, 2028: $3,950,000

April 1, 2028 through March 31, 2029: $4,050,000

April 1, 2029 through March 31, 2030: $4,150,000

April 1, 2030 through March 31, 2031: $4,250,000

Termination by Head Coach between April 1, 2025 and March 31, 2026 - $11,000,000

Termination by Head Coach between April 1, 2026 and March 31, 2027 - $9,000,000

Termination by Head Coach between April 1, 2027 and March 31, 2028 - $7,000,000

Termination by Head Coach between April 1, 2028 and March 31, 2029 - $5,000,000

Termination by Head Coach between April 1, 2029 and March 31, 2030 - $3,000,000

Termination by Head Coach between April 1, 2030 and March 31, 2031 - $1,000,00


If we don't make the NCAA this year and next he will still be here for the 26-27 season due to the extension. If no NCAA in 26-27 maybe the RU admin eats the $7 million buyout. Maybe.
 
He is down to, yeah but NIL payout won't be 5M only 2M so no one will take the job so we should just keep missing the tournament because the current guy got us there in the play in game 4 years ago.
That is literally not what I'm saying, sir. I am saying that any coach worth their salt is going to ask for a ton of money guaranteed from the revenue sharing. Probably starting around 5 mil written into their contract. Rutgers will likely balk at that and move on to secondary choices.

Let's say football gets 16 mil, hoops gets 2 mil, and others get 2.5 mil sorted around. That's less than Texas Tech is giving their hoops program, and they're public about it. That's not enough for a top coach to want to come here, when they can likely go elsewhere where it is easier to win and have more money to play with.

If you were to fire Pikes (they won't and shouldn't), either the next guy is going to start behind the eightball with the amount of revenue sharing hoops gets, plus not too much NIL, or he's going to demand more from the outset. Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not saying it clearly enough... but getting a good amount of revenue sharing is going to be like paying an assistant staff, you better be ready to pay up or be ready to raise it via NIL to get someone good to come here.

You don't have to listen and Pikes isn't getting fired so this conversation is moot for quite a while, but you're not thinking the optics of it through.
 
How much of that revenue share would be earmarked for hoops?
Probably 2.5-3mm to start. Which is a heckuva lot more than any mid major coach will have at their school and more than enough to hire away any top tier assistant who wants to become a HC.

Can always add in kickers if certain goals are achieved. Like making it out of the first weekend as an example.

You are severely underestimating how attractive the RU job is.
 
Probably 2.5-3mm to start. Which is a heckuva lot more than any mid major coach will have at their school and more than enough to hire away any top tier assistant who wants to become a HC.

Can always add in kickers if certain goals are achieved. Like making it out of the first weekend as an example.

You are severely underestimating how attractive the RU job is.
Yeah we should totally grab the Oklahoma State coach... wait
 
Yeah we should totally grab the Oklahoma State coach... wait
You realize your entire argument right now is basically we cannot do better than get bounced first weekend of the tournament and we won't have NIL money anyway so keep the status quo.

Again I am a big Pike fan, this assumption is we embarrassingly miss the dance this year and then miss it again next year. That would be 4 straight years no dancing while paying someone a salary thats top 25 in the country. It's grounds for termination anywhere else.
 
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Yeah we should totally grab the Oklahoma State coach... wait
Liked him as he was a brad underwood disciple from the area. Id like to run a brad underwood type system.

where ok state finished under boynton vs where RU finished under pike

Boyton
17-18: 59
18-19: 83
19-20: 53
20-21: 33
21-22: 34
22-23: 46
23:24 117

Pike
16-17: 135
17-18: 130
18-19: 78
19-20: 28
20-21: 38
21-22: 77
22-23: 39
23-24: 100

But anyway, theres a guy closer who I think would do a better job here. Mitch Henderson. And yes, I think hed leave his alma matter and drive 20 minutes up the road for a 4X pay raise
 
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I’m honestly laughing at the 66 people who said Pike has earned the right to finish out his contract and leave on his own terms.

Win one NCAA game in 9 years and now producing a declining program in years 7/8/9 being treated like he’s Nick Saban, Bobby Bowden, Roy Williams, etc??

Have at least some shred of standard or expectation for this program.
 
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You realize your entire argument right now is basically we cannot do better than get bounced first weekend of the tournament and we won't have NIL money anyway so keep the status quo.

Again I am a big Pike fan, this assumption is we embarrassingly miss the dance this year and then miss it again next year. That would be 4 straight years no dancing while paying someone a salary thats top 25 in the country. It's grounds for termination anywhere else.

No, my argument is if we fire our coach after this season (which was the original point of this thread), the next guy is going to have a ton of demands and my question is... if we can't meet those demands, do we end up not getting a good coach. And it's not coaching or assistant coaching salary I'm talking about. Because if Pikes got fired after this season, the basketball world will likely side-eye Rutgers (again) and the good people won't want the job. In two years, we can talk...
 
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