You've obviously never been to our campus and seen our (recently renovated) practice facility. Maybe you'll be more impressed when our $200M library is done (with on-campus stadium to follow).
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You've obviously never been to our campus and seen our (recently renovated) practice facility. Maybe you'll be more impressed when our $200M library is done (with on-campus stadium to follow).
My point is not that the Temple job is on par with Rutgers. It's that if Rhule remains ascendant, Rutgers is not a big enough leap to justify him leaving a job he enjoys and is well-compensated for. Maybe in five years it's different, but today - this season - no, he could do better. I hope he stays exactly where he is for another decade, but if this season plays out at its current trajectory, he would have bigger, better options than Rutgers. It's not a knock on Rutgers as much an acknowledgement of what Temple has been able to do, on the field and with regard to institutional support. Also, if you really toured the campus, you;d be shocked. People that graduated 10 years ago can't believe it, so I'm sure the reality does not dovetail with the perceptions of many here. The practice facility, including Edberg-Olson Hall, is actually very nice, and while attendance is still not where they'd like it to be, you guys know as well as anyone that it takes some time and sustained success for a community to buy into it.
This is your problem trying to correlate college ball to Pro ball two different worlds
If we do make a coaching change and that is a big IF, I believe you have to take the same approach as Maryland and hirer a big name coach. The guy who comes immediately to mind is Steve Spurrier. The only way we can ever hope to compete with Harbaugh and Meyer is to get an individual who brings as much credibility into the living room as they do.
Albany FYI this is from another thread about how Big East transplants to the ACC did not make it but look at the last sentence and see why your Spurrier is off base;
"Sorry but disagree VT has won it division/ACC as soon as they stepped into the ACC first year 2004 they won ACC and also 2007, 2008, 2010. If they did not win the ACC they were Coastal Division champions many years as well.
VT has fallen just like S. Carolina, and PoSU did with OLD coaches who do not know when to QUIT"
Spurrier is Frack'in 70 years old he will not outlast his first recruiting class if he came to RU
Ok, look -- your initial example was Brady Hoke coaching vs. Harbaugh coaching, all else equal. Your second example was Kragthorpe vs Petrino, all else equal.
My rebuttal was that they maximized their rosters; some coaches are better than that than others.
Now put Saban, Spurrier, Kelly -- heck, even Harbaugh and Petrino -- in the NFL where teams are relatively equal and rosters represent the top 1% of all football players and their "coaching" accounts for maybe 10% (IMO) of the outcome. It still comes down to impact players making impact plays in game-changing moments. This will become readily apparent once Brady retires. Parcell's defense wasn't the same without LT & co. Ditto Buddy Ryan without Reggie White & the other 6-7 pro-bowlers of that era. They didn't suddenly forget how to coach.
With regards to your latest post, I agree with you 100%. Unlike the NFL, college coaches can impact the program both on the field (Xs & Os) and off (recruiting). That's when all the aforementioned coaches really shine, because they excel at both.
I have been on campus numerous times over the past decade. Like I said, I like Temple. The point I made wasn't meant to be a knock on Temple. I've been in Edberg-Olson and it's fine, but there are obviously space limitations and no indoor facility so that gets tough in the winter. Not sure what a library has to do with football, so I couldn't care less about that. And you know as well as I do that the on-campus stadium is an extremely tough sell for the school and the neighborhood. If/when it does happen, that'll be great. But the points still stand and are still valid. Coaching football at Temple is, at best, a stepping-stone job. Now if you want to talk about basketball, then the opposite is true. Liacouras is nicer than the RAC, the practice facility at Temple is great, the conference affiliation isn't as big of a deal and being located in a city is a positive.
Hmm. numerous times but doesn't know there is an indoor football facility on campus now.
In a few years we'll be GIVEN $40M or so, yearly, from the B1G. The AAC will still be handing out, what, $12M/year IF that? I'm not even going to get into the miriad of other reasons the B1G is a better "option" than the AAC.
You've gotta be on some serious hallucinogens to even mention the 2 in the same breath.
You've gotta be on some serious hallucinogens to even mention the 2 in the same breath.
The guy's record at Temple....with their BRUTAL schedule is 13-16.
Perhaps we should wait until he actually wins more games than he loses before we make him an offer.
In 11 seasons, a much larger sample and with a pretty similar schedule, Greg Schiano was one game over .500. And he jumped to the NFL.
You do realize that Schiano was 1-1 vs Dantonio at Cincy, right?
2005 Rutgers beat Cincy 44-9 (one of the most dominating games of the Schiano era)
2006 Cincy beat Rutgers 30-11 (a disaster of a game but likely a letdown after the Louisville win the week before)
but who needs facts, right?
Well that's because we were as bad as Temple until he got here.
He changed things so much at Rutgers that we've been to Bowl games nine of the last ten seasons.
If Rhule does THAT at Temple maybe we should consider bringing him here.
Which brings us back to my original point: I'm pretty, pret-ty sure his sights would be set a little higher than that.
Actually I think you have it backwards. Rutgers should be setting its sights a little higher.
Is there? I honestly don't know. I can't say I make the trip to North Philly from Society Hill that often except for a few basketball games per year. I have football and basketball season tickets, but I only go to a couple football games per year since the schedule is so bad. I mean, it's great that you're into Temple football, but you guys can't even fill the lower deck of the Linc, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. I hope the team does well but any coach that has any amount of success will leave. That's the definition of a stepping-stone job. Golden left, Addazio left, and Rhule will leave if he continues to win. Simple as that.
People keep saying that we went to many bowl games under coach Schiano which is a true statement. But bowl game eligibility was seriously watered down since 2002 (I think). All you needed was a season with 6 wins. Remember the 70's, 80's & very early 90's? It really meant something to go to a bowl game then.
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Maryland will back up Brinks truck for that guy, that's before UA even makes its pitch.
Why do so many here wish to downplay how far Rutgers has come since Schiano arrived here ?
We've gone to bowls 9 of the last 10 seasons.
Here's Rutgers won/loss record for the 20 years prior to GS's arrival.
2000...3-8, 1999....1-10, 1998...5-6, 1997...0-11, 1996...2-9, 1995...4-7, 1994...5-5-1, 1993...4-7. 1992...7-4, 1991...6-5, 1990...3-8, 1989...2-7. 1988...5-6. 1987...6-5, 1986...5-5-1, 1985...2-8, 1984...7-3, 1983...3-8, 1982...5-6, 1981...5-6
Please....we weren't going bowling very often with results like that....no matter how watered down eligibility was. Give GS some credit for the improvement in the fortunes of Rutgers football. Geez.
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Rutgers has not been an attractive job, but it is becoming one, and in about three years, it will be. Why? Because it sits in a player-rich and media-"richest" location, and it is in the B1G. That means
Schiano recognized the potential (at a different level) when he came here. That level is in the process of being jacked up substantially. We are in a better place than a lot of our rivals in the B1G. What we need is an AD who can sell that vision to a coach who may not currently realize it. And, if we go after a great coach rather than a place-holder til the B1G money comes in, we will have to find a way to make a bridge to the bucks. OR, we take an up and comer who is a bit of a gamble (a Fleck or a Rhule).
To me, I'm happy with a young gamble if it looks like a person who would want to stay if successful (and you can never be sure). And I think JH is the person to sell the idea. We'll see.
Schiano recognized the potential (at a different level) when he came here. That level is in the process of being jacked up substantially. We are in a better place than a lot of our rivals in the B1G. What we need is an AD who can sell that vision to a coach who may not currently realize it. And, if we go after a great coach rather than a place-holder til the B1G money comes in, we will have to find a way to make a bridge to the bucks. OR, we take an up and comer who is a bit of a gamble (a Fleck or a Rhule).
To me, I'm happy with a young gamble if it looks like a person who would want to stay if successful (and you can never be sure). And I think JH is the person to sell the idea. We'll see.
I think a returned GS would be a better coach than the last time he was here.
1) He realized he had some things to learn while at Tampa Bay. That will help him relate to recruits that see themselves as future draft picks.
2) He now has NFL on his resume.
3) I think he will be better at pulling assistant coaches having had an NFL job and having taken some of his assistants with him. He has a track record of his assistants getting better jobs.. n the NFL and as head coaches elsewhere.
4) has all these NFL players to lean on... though many of them will soon be former NFL players. like Leonard.
5) Big Ten is better.
6) Bit Ten money will be here soon.
Bottom line.. I think Schiano would be a much better candidate for the job now and do a much better job.
Sorry K I didn't mean to come off as ungrateful, coach Schiano did bring respectability and success to the program. Yes, coach Schiano did go to bowl games and win!! He also recruited well. Now I want you to meet me half way about some of the information you posted. Have you looked at some of teams we played on those schedules from the late 80's and early 90's? I think we played a few NC teams during that era (Miami & Notre Dame & Penn State). RU coaches of that era had poor academic support and zero cooperation from the AD. All I was trying to say is that coach Schiano cherry picked his OOC games and played in a very weak BE conference in order to guarantee a playoff birth. In 2006 he had Teel, Underwood, Britt, Tucker, Rice, Leonard, Campbell, Clark Harris and the best offensive line in the BE and still
he lost to a bottom dwelling Cincy team and a WV team with a freshman QB with zero experience. Both Brian Kelly and Rich Rodriguez were much better coaches who went to several BCS bowl games and almost a NC game for Kelly. Why can't we aspire to do better?
The institution, State and fanbase needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves if they have the stomach to bring in a coaching staff that will put together a team that will win us a Rose Bowl? Please forgive me but I have my doubts.
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Obviously, you're not walking around campus much. We re-purposed our indoor rec facility for football, and just got city approval to build an indoor football addition to our practice facility. The on-campus stadium shouldn't be far behind.
Matt Campbell out of Toledo is a name to look at too. He's 32-13 in four seasons at Toledo. He's a young offensive guy and I think he could recruit well too.
Is it just possible that they were not so good as head coaches ? How many of them ever got a shot as a head coach elsewhere after they left Rutgers ? Schiano incredibly got an NFL head coaching job. Quick, name another RU head coach that ever got one. And I don't wanna hear that he sucked there. Tampa sucked when he got there and they've sucked since he left. Anyway two seasons is not enough for a rebuilding job like that one. He'll get another chance in the NFL or college.
Some people think that 90% of a college head coach's job is recruiting. I think it's more like 75%. Greg Schiano was able to do the undoable....make Rutgers attractive to a higher level recruit than ever before. Because of his time in Florida at Miami, his personality, his vision, and some good luck he was able to attract a better bunch of talent here than anyone before him ever did. That's to HIS credit...not the administration.
You can blame the administration and AD at Rutgers pre-Schiano for the mediocrity that RU football was, but I think the head coach bears a lot of the responsibility. Go look at those won-lost records from 1981-2000 again AND who we played and then tell me that the head coach wasn't chiefly responsible for that There's a reason none of those guys ever got a sniff at a head coaching job after their time here.
And if you want a real laugh, go look at Rutgers schedules prior to 1981. A healthy dose of Colgate, Columbia, Princeton, and Lehigh. THIS is the best Rutgers has ever been. Period. Thank Schiano for that.
and BTW, I'm not sold on Flood as the answer.....although I'm not sure exactly what the question is. Playing a ridiculously difficult schedule, he's done better than one could have expected. Bear Bryant or Barry Switzer would have struggled here running a gauntlet of Pedd St., Mich.St., Ohio St., Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Michigan. No coach here has ever dealt with THAT. I think some here are expecting far too much far too soon from a program that was never relevant pre-Schiano.
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