Possible Coaching Options

[miketd1]

Cabbage: I agree with a lot of what you say, especially regarding execution and contrarian strategy.

I guess what I am saying is that -- to me -- part of being a "good coach" is coming up with the right strategy for the players to execute. Not necessarily the strategy that they are strongest in teaching. That was Schiano's main problem: He was married to his scheme, and while his scheme worked most of the time, it didn't against cutting edge attacks.

For example, Bill Belichick is famous for morphing his O and D depending on personnel. Brady went from a conservative, run-first offense, to an air-it-out style with Moss & Welker, to a no-huddle 2TE spread attack. On defense he's been 3-4 two-gapping Cover-2, a 3-4/4-3 primarily man, back to a 3-4 Cover-3 zone blitz scheme.

That's why while I would love to see Schiano repour the foundation here, the jury is still out on whether or not the glass ceiling remains.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Here is the thing about Rhule. The conversation goes like this "sure we can meet your salary demands but we want a huge buyout if PSU ever comes calling". Then he hangs up. It's Cristobol 2.0.

Yeah thats my biggest concern....PSU's everlasting shadow that seems to loom over us in our own state....from GS to Al Golden...everyone we want seems to have PSU desires or aspirations at least perception wise...we should find someone whose all about Jersey but who is like that....lol...Charley Weis has wanted to coach RU for as long as i can remember but he's not now or probably ever was up to it...but I respect his state loyalty.

 

[derleider]

Here is the thing about Rhule. The conversation goes like this "sure we can meet your salary demands but we want a huge buyout if PSU ever comes calling". Then he hangs up. It's Cristobol 2.0.

Dont worry about it is what I say. If a guy is successful enough here that PSU is calling it means that the guy is doing very well here and PSU is probably doing poorly (although they could have lost a coach to the pros). Either way, the off chance is not a good reason to end a negotiation. If it happens, well thats life - PSU is always going to have money to spend on a great coach.

 

[shoprufan]

My vote the charmer Charlie Weis, how many Super Bowl rings does he have. Much better then we have now.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Jim tressel is the guy , but he may be a bit too old at this point .
Would take schiano back . But I think ego's on both sides will prevent that from happening. He's got some unfinished business here .

We need to bring the Sheriff and his deputies back to town. And i don't mean Tressel.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Floods extension was paid by a donor. No doubt Brown and other GS supporters will come out and pay for him to return. Schiano will retun.

Like in the movie Unforgiven....Instead of Stockdale we need Schiano and his deputies.

 

[ArminRU]

I bet the RU administration reads this thread.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Jimmy's & Joe's are responsible for winning 90% of the games.

Coaches, the remaining 10%.

In other words, players can get you to the big bowls. Coaching wins them.

That is your opinion, which is based on no actual proof. My take is that you can have all the right X's and O's you want, but if the kids don't like you, or won't perform for you, well then as a coach, you have failed. IMHO

 

[NickyNewark51]

My vote the charmer Charlie Weis, how many Super Bowl rings does he have. Much better then we have now.

I guess Temple has been getting better following the 'Golden-Rhule'...lol....maybe not Dazz-ling but respectable.

 

[miketd1]

knightsofchrome: Of course it's an opinion. Whether or not it's based on facts is pretty much irrelevant -- this is a message board, not the New York Times.

 

[JHG722]

Here is the thing about Rhule. The conversation goes like this "sure we can meet your salary demands but we want a huge buyout if PSU ever comes calling". Then he hangs up. It's Cristobol 2.0.

Our assistants turned down Purdue, Wazzu, and Colorado this past offseason. Rhule will do the same for Rutgers, Illinois, etc.

 

[Caliknight]

Our assistants turned down Purdue, Wazzu, and Colorado this past offseason. Rhule will do the same for Rutgers, Illinois, etc.

Temple is a stepping stone in every possible way.

 

[rutgers4life11]

Temple is a stepping stone in every possible way.

Yep, the assistants are turning down 'powerhouses' Purdue, Wazzu and Colorado... because they want to travel with Rhule to his next job.

On the Rutgers angle, sure - it's really risky to hire a loyal PSU lion as our coach, but on the flip side, he'll understand best how to compete against that program... and it'll work towards building a rivalry.

Now yes, PSU may grab him one day, but that would mean he's doing a darn good job here. But, I think Rhule would stay loyal to Rutgers (because it's a good fit for him) versus all other offers - except PSU/NFL.

 

[BaseballFan913]

What about Shoop as a head coach?

 

[JHG722]

Yep, the assistants are turning down 'powerhouses' Purdue, Wazzu and Colorado... because they want to travel with Rhule to his next job.

On the Rutgers angle, sure - it's really risky to hire a loyal PSU lion as our coach, but on the flip side, he'll understand best how to compete against that program... and it'll work towards building a rivalry.

Now yes, PSU may grab him one day, but that would mean he's doing a darn good job here. But, I think Rhule would stay loyal to Rutgers (because it's a good fit for him) versus all other offers - except PSU/NFL.

So what happens when he turns you down?

 

[RUKeystone]

There could be as much as a 1/6th of the P5 coaches gone by this offseason which makes it even more difficult for us unless we somehow pony up in the end. I do have an inkling of confidence in JH if she finally gets her chance to make the biggest hire of her career. And with that said I don't think it's crazy that we send some reasonable offers out there...we had Mullen sniffing around (would be fantastic) and it was just a matter of additional staff dollars that halted the talks...I think that another 2 years has just given us more money to work with Rice, TP and Nelligan Sports deals in the background. I would honestly love a hire like Pelini. Bring that Rutgers defense tenacity back and pair him with a quality OC.

 

[Caliknight]

So what happens when he turns you down?

How can you turn down something that will never be offered?

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

There could be as much as a 1/6th of the P5 coaches gone by this offseason which makes it even more difficult for us unless we somehow pony up in the end. I do have an inkling of confidence in JH if she finally gets her chance to make the biggest hire of her career. And with that said I don't think it's crazy that we send some reasonable offers out there...we had Mullen sniffing around (would be fantastic) and it was just a matter of additional staff dollars that halted the talks...I think that another 2 years has just given us more money to work with Rice, TP and Nelligan Sports deals in the background. I would honestly love a hire like Pelini. Bring that Rutgers defense tenacity back and pair him with a quality OC.

If anyone doesn't want Pelini they would be crazy. Sign me up for 9 wins every year.

 

[rutgers4life11]

I have to admit... it's pretty hilarious that Matt Rhule has a higher salary than Flood.

just goes to show you get what you pay for.

but the longstanding argument on this board that 'oh we just don't have the money' goes out the door when freaking TEMPLE can afford to pay a coach good money when they're on AAC money.

 

[ruman]

I have to admit... it's pretty hilarious that Matt Rhule has a higher salary than Flood.

just goes to show you get what you pay for.

but the longstanding argument on this board that 'oh we just don't have the money' goes out the door when freaking TEMPLE can afford to pay a coach good money when they're on AAC money.

He had more options then Flood - he could have stayed with the Giants - that's what leverage is.
Where is Flood getting his money from other than RU?

 

[RUbanks]

He had more options then Flood - he could have stayed with the Giants - that's what leverage is.
Where is Flood getting his money from other than RU?

I'm a huge fan of Rhule, but come on. He was a super low-level assistant with the Giants. I think his title was assistant OL coach. His salary has nothing to do with Temple worrying about him becoming an assistant position coach again.

 

[RutgersMO]

Not my list and not in any order, but a potential list of guys the school will look at:

P.J. Fleck
Matt Rhule
Greg Roman
Greg Schiano
Ben McDaniels

Anyone else? We need someone to come in and restore the discipline here. I was behind Flood 100% from Day 1 until now; this is just getting ridiculous.

Vince Lombardi (NJ Roots) :fistbump:
Joe Paterno :scream:
Bear Bryant :lock:
Woody Hayes (Not related to Gabby) :uzi:
Bo Schembechler :chairshot:

You can get them all....dirt cheap!~

MO:(

 

[malenko]

Temple is a stepping stone in every possible way.

Temple has been and probably will continue to be being in the AAC. But is Rutgers really a step up? Being in the Big 10 makes Rutgers a better job but will you spend money on a coach? Rutgers won 8 games last year and still ended up as the 4th best team in the east division and 8th best overall in the Big 10. And that was with Michigan (before Harbaugh) and Penn State (in Franklin's first year where Rutgers still couldn't beat them) finishing below you. Maryland is probably a better job as they have the Under Armour CEO willing to spend whatever they need to get a high level coach. Finishing with Maryland and Indiana at the bottom of the Big 10 East seems to be a place Rutgers should get used to.

Rhule can hold out for an ACC job that pays more money than Rutgers with a much better opportunity of winning.

 

[PaKnight]

Temple has been and probably will continue to be being in the AAC. But is Rutgers really a step up? Being in the Big 10 makes Rutgers a better job but will you spend money on a coach? Rutgers won 8 games last year and still ended up as the 4th best team in the east division and 8th best overall in the Big 10. And that was with Michigan (before Harbaugh) and Penn State (in Franklin's first year where Rutgers still couldn't beat them) finishing below you. Maryland is probably a better job as they have the Under Armour CEO willing to spend whatever they need to get a high level coach. Finishing with Maryland and Indiana at the bottom of the Big 10 East seems to be a place Rutgers should get used to.

Rhule can hold out for an ACC job that pays more money than Rutgers with a much better opportunity of winning.

Rutgers is a step up.

 

[Caliknight]

Temple has been and probably will continue to be being in the AAC. But is Rutgers really a step up? Being in the Big 10 makes Rutgers a better job but will you spend money on a coach? Rutgers won 8 games last year and still ended up as the 4th best team in the east division and 8th best overall in the Big 10. And that was with Michigan (before Harbaugh) and Penn State (in Franklin's first year where Rutgers still couldn't beat them) finishing below you. Maryland is probably a better job as they have the Under Armour CEO willing to spend whatever they need to get a high level coach. Finishing with Maryland and Indiana at the bottom of the Big 10 East seems to be a place Rutgers should get used to.

Rhule can hold out for an ACC job that pays more money than Rutgers with a much better opportunity of winning.

Hopefully your second post is better.

 

[Caliknight]

Temple has been and probably will continue to be being in the AAC. But is Rutgers really a step up? Being in the Big 10 makes Rutgers a better job but will you spend money on a coach? Rutgers won 8 games last year and still ended up as the 4th best team in the east division and 8th best overall in the Big 10. And that was with Michigan (before Harbaugh) and Penn State (in Franklin's first year where Rutgers still couldn't beat them) finishing below you. Maryland is probably a better job as they have the Under Armour CEO willing to spend whatever they need to get a high level coach. Finishing with Maryland and Indiana at the bottom of the Big 10 East seems to be a place Rutgers should get used to.

Rhule can hold out for an ACC job that pays more money than Rutgers with a much better opportunity of winning.

Hopefully your second post is better.

Rutgers is a step up.

It isn't a step up. It is 10 steps up.

 

[PaKnight]

Hopefully your second post is better.



It isn't a step up. It is 10 steps up.

I was being nice.

 

[malenko]

I agree it is a step up because of the Big 10. But again, any coach you hire is going to have to overcome Urban Meyer, Mark Dantonio, Jim Harbaugh and James Franklin. I also think Maryland is going to pay more money to bring in a coach than Rutgers. And that is just in your division. There are going to be plenty of other opportunities that that will pay more money and have better chances to win.

 

[imbazza]

Jimmy's & Joe's are responsible for winning 90% of the games.

Coaches, the remaining 10%.

In other words, players can get you to the big bowls. Coaching wins them.

OH yea explain this Hoke had the same players as last year except Gardner. Now Harbaugh has them ranked #13 soon to be in the top 10 after they beat MSU
Coaches do make the difference another example=Louisville with Pertrino (sp) vs. Louisville with Kregthorpe (sp)
By the way who motivates jimmy and joe not the water boy no it is the Lombardis, Parcells Sabans

 

[SHUSource]

The only thing that would really make it a step up is the Big Ten vs. AAC situation (which is not insignificant). But if Rhule is as advertised, and in my opinion, he is excellent, he'll have better options than Rutgers. He is in a very good situation at Temple, making decent money for a Group of 5 coach, has GREAT support from a very supportive administration (forget everything you knew about Big East-era Temple; that couldn't be more different now), and is located in a very good and deep recruiting area. Why would he want to leave a good situation (not a Power 5 gig, but good) for one at a school whose athletic department is in chaos, has the perception of an unsupportive president, a meddlesome state government that still doesn't provide much monetary support, and is positioned to permanently occupy the second division team of its (albeit strong) league? I can see a coach taking the chance, but if the same coach has better options, it'll be easy to decline.

 

[Kbee3]

Temple has been and probably will continue to be being in the AAC. But is Rutgers really a step up? Being in the Big 10 makes Rutgers a better job but will you spend money on a coach? Rutgers won 8 games last year and still ended up as the 4th best team in the east division and 8th best overall in the Big 10. And that was with Michigan (before Harbaugh) and Penn State (in Franklin's first year where Rutgers still couldn't beat them) finishing below you. Maryland is probably a better job as they have the Under Armour CEO willing to spend whatever they need to get a high level coach. Finishing with Maryland and Indiana at the bottom of the Big 10 East seems to be a place Rutgers should get used to.

Rhule can hold out for an ACC job that pays more money than Rutgers with a much better opportunity of winning.

Yeah....right.
Why would a guy wanna compete against Ohio State, Michigan, Mich. St., Wisconsin, and Nebraska when he can compete with Memphis, Central Florida, S.M.U., Tulane, and Houston ?

 

[Caliknight]

The only thing that would really make it a step up is the Big Ten vs. AAC situation (which is not insignificant). But if Rhule is as advertised, and in my opinion, he is excellent, he'll have better options than Rutgers. He is in a very good situation at Temple, making decent money for a Group of 5 coach, has GREAT support from a very supportive administration (forget everything you knew about Big East-era Temple; that couldn't be more different now), and is located in a very good and deep recruiting area. Why would he want to leave a good situation (not a Power 5 gig, but good) for one at a school whose athletic department is in chaos, has the perception of an unsupportive president, a meddlesome state government that still doesn't provide much monetary support, and is positioned to permanently occupy the second division team of its (albeit strong) league? I can see a coach taking the chance, but if the same coach has better options, it'll be easy to decline.

One is in the minor leagues, one is in the major leagues. It is that simple. And wake me up when Temple actual wins something of note.

 

[miketd1]

OH yea explain this Hoke had the same players as last year except Gardner. Now Harbaugh has them ranked #13 soon to be in the top 10 after they beat MSU
Coaches do make the difference another example=Louisville with Pertrino (sp) vs. Louisville with Kregthorpe (sp)
By the way who motivates jimmy and joe not the water boy no it is the Lombardis, Parcells Sabans

I'll clarify my opinion:

Teams have their ceilings due to the physical limitations of their members. It is the coaches job to maximize the roster.

Some coaches are better than others at maximizing the roster. Your Harbaugh example is perfect: He took Hoke's underperforming 4 & 5 star recruits and maximized them.

Then again, if you have a 5-win roster, you have a 5-win roster -- Saban himself couldn't coach our current squad to a national title.

There, I explained it for you. Better?

 

[imbazza]

OK now explain Mark D' MSU team. His rise to prominence was with talent Rutgers had (skip the last 2 years as MSU are in the top 5-10) but prior to that he was getting the same talent as Rutgers +/- 5-10 spots on the national ranking. And yet MSU goes toe to toe with the elite programs. i.e. coaching, coaching, coaching. go back to his Cincy days same/maybe lower talent as us but he outcoached schiano.

 

[SHUSource]

One is in the minor leagues, one is in the major leagues. It is that simple. And wake me up when Temple actual wins something of note.

Do you think it'll be before Rutgers does? What if they win the AAC this year - not at all unlikely, though no foregone conclusion - and play in a NY6 bowl, will that be something?

 

[miketd1]

OK now explain Mark D' MSU team. His rise to prominence was with talent Rutgers had (skip the last 2 years as MSU are in the top 5-10) but prior to that he was getting the same talent as Rutgers +/- 5-10 spots on the national ranking. And yet MSU goes toe to toe with the elite programs. i.e. coaching, coaching, coaching. go back to his Cincy days same/maybe lower talent as us but he outcoached schiano.

?

I don't get it. I think we're agreeing more than we're disagreeing.

To explain: Dantonio is simply better at maximizing his roster than Schiano. Makes sense that he's been more successful with relatively the same caliber player, no..?

 

[imbazza]

You only attribute a coach with only 10% of a program's success? that is my issue

 

[Caliknight]

Do you think it'll be before Rutgers does? What if they win the AAC this year - not at all unlikely, though no foregone conclusion - and play in a NY6 bowl, will that be something?

Finishing in the upper half of the B1G is a bigger accomplishment than winning the AAC, but sure. If Temple does that I won't be too impressed, but I will tip my cap. Will they do it is the question. I wouldn't hold my breath.

This is getting too much airplay. Temple is a stepping stone job. At best. End of story.

 

[RUbanks]

I live in Philly, and I like Temple, but if you argue that the Temple job is on par with Rutgers then there's something wrong with you. They have no practice facility to speak of (a tiny field nestled under SEPTA tracks), no on campus stadium, not much of a campus in general, no fan support (they don't draw at all to games unless Notre Dame or PSU are in town, and most fans are from ND or PSU then), and no conference. Like I said, I like the school and love Rhule, but at best it's a stepping stone job.

 

[miketd1]

You only attribute a coach with only 10% of a program's success? that is my issue

Yup. Think about it: Do you think Saban, Spurrier, Kelly etc. would dominate given relatively equal rosters? Look to their NFL records for your answer.