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Prediciton...On March 11, 2018, ...Rutgers makes the NCAA tournament as the 10 seed

In order to make the tourney this year, we MUST go 11-0 in the "cupcake" portion (non-P5) of the schedule. No trip ups.

We need to split SHU/FSU to go 12-1 OOC. This is a tall order, as both SHU and FSU will be good teams, but at least we get them both at home.

In league (one of my favorite Bruce Johnson-isms), we would need to go 9-9 at a minimum to be considered, for a 21-10 overall record, and it might be necessary to win at least one B1G tournament game so that we have 22 wins.

One thing I wonder though -- Would the committee take our 27 year drought into account as a "plus" factor favoring our selection, on the theory that the tournament loves a good "Cindarella" story? Or would we be viewed as a traditional also-ran that wouldn't be given any advantage at all?

That said, I just don't see it happening Shack. As good as this coaching staff is, and as much as they've turned over the roster, I just don't think we're going to be able to shoot and score the basketball enough to win 9 or 10 B1G games. Unless Thiam makes a humongous leap in his sophomore year, our "3" spot will be far below what you need in today's college game. We need that spot to be a big scoring position. Moreover, I just don't know what kind of offensive production we will get from the post. Freeman is probably good for 10-12 ppg against P5 competition, but where else will the points come from among the other bigs?

I think a reasonable goal this year is the NIT. Go 11-2 OOC, 6-12 in league, plus 1-1 in the B1G tourney, and the 18-15 record will get us a serious look from the NIT.
 
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In order to make the tourney this year, we MUST go 11-0 in the "cupcake" portion (non-P5) of the schedule. No trip ups.

We need to split SHU/FSU to go 12-1 OOC. This is a tall order, as both SHU and FSU will be good teams, but at least we get them both at home.

In league (one of my favorite Bruce Johnson-isms), we would need to go 9-9 at a minimum to be considered, for a 21-10 overall record, and it might be necessary to win at least one B1G tournament game so that we have 22 wins.

One thing I wonder though -- Would the committee take our 27 year drought into account as a "plus" factor favoring our selection, on the theory that the tournament loves a good "Cindarella" story? Or would we be viewed as a traditional also-ran that wouldn't be given any advantage at all?

That said, I just don't see it happening Shack. As good as this coaching staff is, and as much as they've turned over the roster, I just don't think we're going to be able to shoot and score the basketball enough to win 9 or 10 B1G games. Unless Thiam makes a humongous leap in his sophomore year, our "3" spot will be far below what you need in today's college game. We need that spot to be a big scoring position. Moreover, I just don't know what kind of offensive production we will get from the post. Freeman is probably good for 10-12 ppg against P5 competition, but where else will the points come from among the other bigs?

I think a reasonable goal this year is the NIT. Go 11-2 OOC, 6-12 in league, plus 1-1 in the B1G tourney, and the 18-15 record will get us a serious look from the NIT.

Actually....here is kinda how I break it down...not far from that

1.) MUST go 11-0 at the RAC against the cupdakes

2.) In the first 7 "hard games"...(all 7 i expect to dance or NIT)....we need to find two wins against
Florida State
at Minnesota
Michigan State
Seton Hall
at Purdue
Wisconsin
AT Michigan State

That puts us at 13-5....with then the part of the schedule that will define our season with a lot of possible games to take that if we want to have a shot, have to win

Ohio State
Iowa
at Michigan
Nebraska
at Penn State

We must take 3 of 5....to be 16-7 to have a shot at a NCAA with 8 to go,...and I think with out weak OOC....we really need 4 of 5 to be 17-6....

Anything less than 16-7 at this point, we are playing for NIT short of a MAJOR run in February into the Garden
 
Weak OOC yes, but NO denying how hard I believe B1G schedule will be. I really think 10-10 in B1G (adding a win in the B1GT) PLUS 11-2 OOC would put us sitting on the fence waiting for the wind to blow us to Dayton.
 
If RPI is still 25% your winning % then if we were 21-12 last year our score would have been .546 instead of .4967 which would have put us RPI 79 last year. that si sobering. I think our conference will be better and our OOC opponents can't be as bad as they were last year. We played the bottom of the bottom.
 
With all the schools being pulled into the FBI investigation, we might get a 3 seed due to the lack of schools left that are eligible to participate in postseason lol
 
Well that sure as hell would burst the "5-6 year rebuild" theory guys respective bubbles LOL! I like it Shack!!! Sign me up!!

NUTS
 
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Well that sure as hell would burst the "5-6 year rebuild" theory guys respective bubbles LOL! I like it Shack!!! Sign me up!!

NUTS

That is still my timeline....and i call it a build.

YEAR 1...happened
YEAR 2...same W/L results, a bit more ups and downs
YEAR 3...same W/L results, but with young faces and even more ups and downs
YEAR 4...a game or 2 over .500 with genuine excitement for next year
YEAR 5...real close, maybe
YEAR 6....'18-'19 class are seniors
 
That is still my timeline....and i call it a build.

YEAR 1...happened
YEAR 2...same W/L results, a bit more ups and downs
YEAR 3...same W/L results, but with young faces and even more ups and downs
YEAR 4...a game or 2 over .500 with genuine excitement for next year
YEAR 5...real close, maybe
YEAR 6....'18-'19 class are seniors

My point is there is ZERO reason a 12-person roster should be a 6-year rebuild. I've said this for a long time and stick with it due to the shortness of the roster. Get the right coach, start to get the right kids, play in a power conference, it's very doable in 3-4 years. VERY.
 
My point is there is ZERO reason a 12-person roster should be a 6-year rebuild. I've said this for a long time and stick with it due to the shortness of the roster. Get the right coach, start to get the right kids, play in a power conference, it's very doable in 3-4 years. VERY.

Whether it is football or basketball both apply......

Coach gets hired April X, 2016, from a recruiting stand point...
Year 1 '16-'17 99% of HS seniors have committed
Year 2 '17-'18 started late in the game many of players already committed before Coach was hired
Year 3 '18-'19 1st class where coach is on a level playing field communicating to HS players as early as most
Year 4 '19-'20 '18-'19 class are sophs and '19-'20 sre frosh
Year 5 '20-'21 '18-'19 are juniors.....
Year 6 '21-'22 '18-'19 class are seniors

Thinking it is not a 6 year build HAS TO ASSUME the coach is going transfer and 5th year senior route. I am of the belief it isn't a great idea.
 
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Whether it is football or basketball both apply......

Coach gets hired April X, 2016, from a recruiting stand point...
Year 1 '16-'17 99% of HS seniors have committed
Year 2 '17-'18 started late in the game many of players already committed before Coach was hired
Year 3 '18-'19 1st class where coach is on a level playing field communicating to HS players as early as most
Year 4 '19-'20 '18-'19 class are sophs and '19-'20 sre frosh
Year 5 '20-'21 '18-'19 are juniors.....
Year 6 '21-'22 '18-'19 class are seniors

Thinking it is not a 6 year build HAS TO ASSUME the coach is going transfer and 5th year senior route. I am of the belief it isn't a great idea.
The only way to speed up the process is with the recruitment of 1-2 big time scorers (16-22) points per game which would put Rutgers over 70 points per game .
 
That is still my timeline....and i call it a build.

YEAR 1...happened
YEAR 2...same W/L results, a bit more ups and downs
YEAR 3...same W/L results, but with young faces and even more ups and downs
YEAR 4...a game or 2 over .500 with genuine excitement for next year
YEAR 5...real close, maybe
YEAR 6....'18-'19 class are seniors

I can see why you are saying

Here is the thing...

1.) I said this before last year...I thought Eddie last year we were a 12-20 team that was 7-25 because of ridic injuries ....and ridic young

2.) so last years 15-18 kinda followed that trajectory ...but with a major caveat

If you look at last year we were 7-6 in close games

In our 7 wins ...
-we had control of DePaul and held on
-we went back and forth in wins against stony brook, Illinois, Nebraska, penn state and Ohio State
-we had zero control of the game against Hartford and needed a desperate rally to win

In our 6 close losses (from memory)
-we had control of the hall game on the road (up ten at halftime)
-we had control of the Wisconsin game in the garden and blew it (up 9 with 4 to go)
-we had control of Iowa on the road and blew it (up 9 with 9 to go)
-we had control of northwestern and blew it (up 4 with less than 4 to go)
-we were tied with Ohio state with a couple minutes to go
-Michigan at the RAC was close start to finish but we never got over the hump

I thought we kinda deserved a couple of games better than 7-6,in down to the wire game ...considering we really had control of four that we blew and only got one back that we didn't have control of

So...if we were just better in close games...I kinda thought we "deserved to be" a couple of wins better than we were ...17-16 call it

So ....while I truly believe you are what your record is....think beneath the surface we really were a 12-20 team two years ago and a 17-16 type last year

So ...i think if this team matures and stays healthy ...we might be starting for a little higher base than what our record was the last two years to grow from ....

We shall see
 
Looking at last year...

We had no wins vs. a kenpom top 65 team
we had 14 opportunities to beat a team that made NCAAs and we went 0-14
11 of 15 wins were against cupcakes
We were in the basement of the B1G....BY 3 GAMES!
 
Whether it is football or basketball both apply......

Coach gets hired April X, 2016, from a recruiting stand point...
Year 1 '16-'17 99% of HS seniors have committed
Year 2 '17-'18 started late in the game many of players already committed before Coach was hired
Year 3 '18-'19 1st class where coach is on a level playing field communicating to HS players as early as most
Year 4 '19-'20 '18-'19 class are sophs and '19-'20 sre frosh
Year 5 '20-'21 '18-'19 are juniors.....
Year 6 '21-'22 '18-'19 class are seniors

Thinking it is not a 6 year build HAS TO ASSUME the coach is going transfer and 5th year senior route. I am of the belief it isn't a great idea.

Or...now hold onto your hat...coach comes in, CAN COACH, and turns the program around getting to the NIT in 2-3 seasons and NCAA in 3-4 seasons!! WOW!!!

Yup, it's LITERALLY that simple. There is NO "law of turning a 12-scholarship program around" that states it "can only take place in 5-6 seasons." That's been made up - HERE - by you and others and is completely absurd.

Not everything is differential equations, Greene, sometimes it's just purely chemical!!! [cheers]
 
How?

No one is taking last year's roster and making it much better.
Are you going to blame Pikiell for his poor recruiting class last year?
How about if this year ends up not so hot?

I think you are underestimating how unattractive we are to a Top 150 basketball player
I know you are over estimating a coach's ability to win without talent (this coming from a guy who thinks coaching is underated)
 
I’m still ALL in.....14 months later

Seton hall was first must win

Great win

Take care of business next two games ....

Need Wisconsin. ....that’s the next must game

Next intermediate goal ...as predicted in March ...13-5 with the five game with a chance to make hay
 
How?

No one is taking last year's roster and making it much better.
Are you going to blame Pikiell for his poor recruiting class last year?
How about if this year ends up not so hot?

I think you are underestimating how unattractive we are to a Top 150 basketball player
I know you are over estimating a coach's ability to win without talent (this coming from a guy who thinks coaching is underated)

FIG, enjoy the win. Ask Mathis how unattractive we are. Or Baker.

Just enjoy. This is a turning point for NJ D1 basketball.
 
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