So instead of concentrating on criticizing the criminals, you criticize the people trying to get them off our streets? Your statement is part of what's wrong with society today. Maybe one day you'll get a clue because it's evaded you until now.
Prosecutor: Rutgers players took photos of loot, sent texts
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So instead of concentrating on criticizing the criminals, you criticize the people trying to get them off our streets? Your statement is part of what's wrong with society today. Maybe one day you'll get a clue because it's evaded you until now.
Boggs went to a prep school in CT, Avon Old Farms. Good friends of ours sent their son there and he was on the football team with him. Boggs was a punk then and had a "posse" that frequently visited him at school and brought some trouble. The warning signs were there if RU bothered to do a little homework.
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Or maybe they did do the homework and didn't care, which may be worse.
One current(boggs) and one former (Johnson), the other 4 were in the "riot".
Why shouldn't anyone who does something stupid be subject to criticism? Why does criticism have to be discriminatory?
And while it was "only" 3 ounces of pot they did confiscate $35k.
But the crime of Boggs and the gang is not possession, it's home invasion. I don't care if they stole socks,dudes forcing their way into houses(or dorm rooms which is crazy) wielding guns, hammers or whatever is serious.
But the crime of Boggs and the gang is not possession, it's home invasion. I don't care if they stole socks,dudes forcing their way into houses(or dorm rooms which is crazy) wielding guns, hammers or whatever is serious.
What do you mean when you say "these types of folks?"
This seems to be becoming a popular opinion around here, this notion that you can magically tell which kids will become criminals and pass on them. Or perhaps we should should pass on all kids from bad areas? Frankly, its all nonsense. The object of college football is to win games. A coach can aim for high-integrity players from good areas, but at the end of the day, everyone wants those kids and they are the hardest to get. So he must go to the next tier, which includes the very good players from questionable areas, with questionable ties. You do your best to keep these kids out of trouble, and I have no doubt that Rutgers athletics staff makes every effort, given our low arrest record to date. But some are always going to wind up in trouble. As a coach, if you make the decision to pass on an entire segment of high caliber athletes, just because they come from bad areas, or have bad backgrounds or difficult family situations, you aren't going to win a lot of football games. Then you will be fired and another coach will come in who is willing to do what it takes. Plus it is discriminatory and unfair to the kids. So you do what nearly every school does. You try to get the best kids you can, and try your best to recognize who is "at risk" and give them the support they need. Its really all you can do.
People go way over board with the idea that a player getting arrested is somehow a black mark on the school. Nearly all of these schools have a tremendous amount of support staff who work their asses off. These recent events are nothing more than a heaping dose of crow to all the dopes on here who gloat every time a player gets arrested from other schools. No one is immune from it. It is systemic, and every program has to deal with it at this level.
This is the type of information that our coaching staff should try to be aware of before they bring in a new recruit. If Boggs had a posse traveling hundreds of miles to see him at a small prep school and brought trouble with them then this may speak to the character of the player before he enters RU.
I'm not saying that we can recruit a team full of altar boys but in the case of Boggs there were signs of trouble before he got to RU.
There's a third possibility: They were engaged in a sort of Dark-Knight (pun intended) Vigilantism. Attacking the drug problem head-on by stealing cash and drugs from dealers, destroying the drugs and distributing the cash to the needy. Who knows? This makes as much sense as anything else.
If true we should dismiss these guys a second time for being dopes.
Lucky for society not many smart criminals. Our prisons are full of folks that thought they were smart enough not to get caught.
Him acting like this in the courtroom makes it seem likes its not his first. You're first time in the courtroom I and guarantee you are not mugging for pictures,
On my ride into work today I spoke to the mother of the kid who played with Boggs at Avon. She knew of this story and was not surprised. He was an incredible athlete at Avon and played both ways, but would often complain when he was not getting the ball - one time throwing the ball in the coach's face and leaving the field. Her son told her he was amazed a kid this bad (speaking of his personality, not his football skills) got into the school.
The team had a saying about him - "He's either going to the Big Show or the Big House." I guess it's the Big House.
The team had a saying about him - "He's either going to the Big Show or the Big House." I guess it's the Big House.
I'm guessing, but I'd bet good money Flood was well aware Boggs was a risk character wise.
Many times, kids like this thru the family atmosphere and leadership of teammates become great success stories...but you gotta watch a guy like Boggs very close and have a pipeline with some your players to warn you if he's going off track.
It makes as much sense as a kid who has a full ride and a good chance to play in the NFL in a few years blowing it all like this. That makes no sense to me at all. So yes, a fantastical notion that they were pretending to be super-heros or some kind of Robin Hood makes just as much sense.
I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm saying that this whole thing is bizarre and crazy.
I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm saying that this whole thing is bizarre and crazy.
Because there's different levels of stupid, and in this case there's a HUGE disparity in the group we should be critical of and the group the poster decided to take issue with. So much so that it's absurd even to bring up it in this context. Get it?
Meh, it's served me well enough so far. Of course I've already committed all the armed robberies & robbed all the drug dealers I plan to in my life.
Frankly, I find the righteousness on this board laughable. It's a basic law of averages. If you recruit 85 kids from the hood, you're going to get your share of these types. Not every football player in the projects is innocent victim Ricky from Boyz N The Hood. If Flood wants to continue this facade that "Rutgers Men" are different, he needs a zero tolerance policy which would limit the spread of these gangs forming under his watch. Of course, Flood summarily dismissing starting cornerback Nadir Barnwell last April with no apparent reason would have sent this board into meltdown mode.
Honestly, I think a lot of posters on this board would feel more comfortable rooting for one of the service academies or a Patriot League team. They just don't have the stomach to compete against the other 6 teams in the Big Ten East.
Well all our players are going to the Big House, just not the one with the bars and jump suits.
I agree with you here, but your point in this post has nothing to do with your original post.
I cant imagine blowing an opportunity like a free education and the absolute HONOR of playing for Rutgers....for some drugs and $900 split what 7 ways?
There really should be a test for this board. I've been saying it for years.
If you're not careful I'm gonna go to your job and knock the fry basket right out of your hand.
Unfortunately, it looks like we've got at least 1 candidate for the 2015 Darwin awards in this group, possibly multiple candidates.
This whole thing goes away by plea deal. I'd be shocked if it went to trial. It seems like all of the actual, physical evidence was found in the one guy's off-campus apartment (the asian guy). Everybody else's lawyer's are gonna be screaming that their clients had no knowledge of any of that.
Actually your sense of humor sucks too.
You can quibble all you want by yourself now. You're the 1st poster I'm putting under the ignore distinction. Yes, you're special, just like everyone has always told you.
1. And what about the texts and pictures?
2. What about the fight, as separate incident where a RU student's jaw was broken?
3. Even if there is a plea deal their scholarships are gone.
Don't sound like a bunch of Mensa candidates to me.
There's nothing wrong with rooting for those schools. Those schools in these leagues...it's the purest form of college football. Include the Ivy League in there. I actually pull for Northwesten (except when we play them of course). Even ND sold out and they still can't hang with top 5 caliber opponents. Stanford keeps their nose clean as well but like pat Fitzgerald said Saturday there's only so many of those kind of kids to go around and Stanford and ND get the lions share on the major college football level.
Well I pointed out that ND sold out. But go look for Stanford and Northwestern players on police blotters...you won't find any. I really think they should form a conference with Stanford, NW, Duke, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Boston College, Notre Dame, BYU, Army, Navy and Air Force. Yes the travel would be tough but those schools all have money and I'm sure the us armed forces may chip in for the flights.
