This.
Also my biggest reason for disliking Flood. Until we have lines on both sides of the ball that can battle it out, the pain will continue.
I can see the D improving. The O, I don't see any improvement.
Question for the experts..........Offensive Line
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This.
Also my biggest reason for disliking Flood. Until we have lines on both sides of the ball that can battle it out, the pain will continue.
I can see the D improving. The O, I don't see any improvement.
Add a couple Sun Tzu's best..
"All war is deception"
“Hold out baits to entice the enemy”
“Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought”.
And for Ash and crew..
"He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces."
BTW.. I really like your summary of not knowing what it is our offense is trying to do. I agree that it seems like we should be throwing the seam routes early and often, to support the other aspects of the alleged read-option.. but we never do.. and that is disconcerting.
Ouch. Would love to hear the staff's response to this criticism. While you might get it from them I expect you won't be comfortable sharing with us. Unless you are comfortable...
He contributes quite a bit. Recommend following him. He and Lotus Aggressor and a couple of others post some really good stuff that is objective and full of great information, not hyperbole and overreaction.
Yeah it's kinda what you'd expect to see on a FB board. LOL. Football stuff.
Following now. I didn't know you could actually follow specific folks.
Maybe there is more FB on the pay board. With the free board, we get a lot of free thoughts, which are worth what we pay for them. They are entertaining, though. . . .
I try to contribute where I can. I find some of the conversations just ranting as opposed to discussions and I avoid those.
If I had a conversation like that with the coaches I would not share most of that info. I would share public stuff from clinics and such but not closed door meetings. Kind of like how I wont share where I have coached or where I do coach or where I may go coach for.
We never stretch the field. Even if you do not complete it you HAVE to stretch the field to make them respect you. I am all over jet sweeps, bubbles, hitches but give me some post routs, digs, flags, corners, post curls, deep curls, EVEN SLANTS seems absent from our offense.
Agree gef should be done more but have to look at field position wind etc since the o-line cannot protect and we only have one burner so the chances to do it with this group are somewhat limited.
Snap the ball, step, let it fly. Combo routes is where you need blocking for.
Even if you are not completing it you are showing you throw the deep ball. Ray Lucas says it 8000 times on the radio that he always wanted to throw a deep ball every game as far as he could just to make the defense respect it.
I agree. I hardly ever see our receivers cross the face of a defender. In any sport you cross your oppositions face you win. Our routes either are not being run correctly or they are designed to go vertical and to the outside shoulder of the defender.
Don't disagree. Do disagree that there are many opportunities or that it's that simple . I think there are relatively few opportunities but I absolutely agree with you that it must be done.
I always wish I could link my film break down etc to explain things but that would give away more than I want to. 1 or 2 people on the board know who I am but that's it.
From a casual observer, it looks like we have a lot of RPOs, especially on early downs.
The problem with the RPOs is that 1.) the line can't win their 1v1s, 2.) the QB lacks enough zip to get the ball outside the hashes on bubbles before the defense can close, and 3.) defenses can afford to overplay the strong side run because backside can simply play the RB "on-the-way" to the QB.
So teams counter by squatting the short routes and simply not honoring the QB run.
If the QB runs for 5-10, good for him. When the field condenses around the 30 yard line, teams can simply man up all around with no safety help -- we have no answer to it.
The problem with the RPOs is that 1.) the line can't win their 1v1s, 2.) the QB lacks enough zip to get the ball outside the hashes on bubbles before the defense can close, and 3.) defenses can afford to overplay the strong side run because backside can simply play the RB "on-the-way" to the QB.
So teams counter by squatting the short routes and simply not honoring the QB run.
If the QB runs for 5-10, good for him. When the field condenses around the 30 yard line, teams can simply man up all around with no safety help -- we have no answer to it.
For the non-pros, please define your acronyms--RPO--Run Pass Option?
Agree with this 100% they may not respect your deep ball but at least make them think about it. Penn State basically had a safety at the line of scrimmage the entire game.
The prob with this is our TE may have been worse than our WR or OL! (I wish this was a joke)
Agree completely w/North NJ on our TE play, the blocking was poor and any passes thrown their way were held to either a minimal gain, or a drop.
I know we have the transfer kid coming in from Miami, but with the starter and Flanagan leaving, where is the depth here? No TE's on the commit list, yet.
OMG YES YES YES.
Maybe twice this whole season we threw long bombs over everyones' heads.. incomplete. I stood up and clapped... thinking.. FINALLY the OC is doing something right.
And that is what is so upsetting about sending Hicks on those sweeps.. he is a North/South guy.. he cannot stretch the field wide and would turn it up as soon as he could, if he felt he had a choice.
And without the deeper sideline routes, that bubble screen is going nowhere. Opponents seem to see the formations and know what's coming.. no fear that we will go over the top on them. None of that is about failure of talent.. it is failure of imagination.
Well, the first quarter settles it. We don't have a QB WHO CAN HIT THE BROAD SODE OF A BARN WITH A BEACH BALL!
Are you guys seeing this? His passes are horrific.
His protection is pretty terrible too. I thought he had a few nice throws.
For the life of me I can't understand why a veteran O-line seems so defenseless in the face of blitzes and games by the Maryland defense. We had no chance to win this game because of that.
Our RT had a TERRIBLE game. He missed stuff in front of his face all the time. UNLESS they try to x block a pass rush with the guard crossing and if that is true I am dumbfounded we kept doing it.
He's a converted DLinemen I believe. He's young but man, no offense. He has cement shoes
Im not really concerned with his feet but with his eyes. He looks inside constantly. I think he gets confused which way the slide protection is going. He will go the opposite direction of the guard and then have to readjust to attack the outside rusher. Caused problems for us at least 3 times during the game.
I am/was not a football coach but was a cross country/track coach for 39 years in high school. I just don't understand why our switch to a spread caused us to be so much worse than in the past. Why didn't we come up with a scheme that still allowed us to run like the year before with Hicks & Martin going straight ahead. Both averaged about 5.5 yards per carry the year before with basically the same offensive line. It seems as if switching schemes did not fit our offensive line and our coaches were just so stubborn to keep the new scheme. If so we sacrificed some possible wins which too fans made us look horrible. Maybe things should have been put in more slowly when we got better players to fit the spread?
That is what I have been saying all year. It was like if someone wanted to teach me how to fix a car up and on day one gave me a completely disassembled car and said go ahead.
Gef
Enjoy your perspective
Everyone here knows I'm an Xs and Os guy so here is what I saw
1.) we have beyond a problem a wide receiver. And tight end. We had this problem last year when carroo was hurt. We just don't have athleticism, speed or wiggle there. No seperstion. Our completion mostly come against Zone coverage. Why anyone plays us zone is beyond as everyone who plays us man sticks to us and shrinks the passing Windows
2.) this clearly has affect the Qb ability to go vertical....are you going to keep trying to go vertical when the passing window isn't there . At least when gio was healthy he would tuck it and run and make some plays with feet ....and that occupies the safety and then the opposing defensive cordonator has to at least consider that threats and play some situation zone
When we had no threat to run....no one had any incentive to play anything but man coverage which had zerob ability to make them pay
3.) our Oline....is too bulked up for their body types. We lose athleticism for the Oline movement needed in this offense ....too stiff. Not quick. This is not a quick fix either....
4.) when you have all of the above...and the pro set was NOT yielding better results (see numbers last year when carroo was out) ...i think you just start playing for the future and start playing how you want to play and recruit and grow up the players to run what you want to do
That progress is three more years away
Enjoy your perspective
Everyone here knows I'm an Xs and Os guy so here is what I saw
1.) we have beyond a problem a wide receiver. And tight end. We had this problem last year when carroo was hurt. We just don't have athleticism, speed or wiggle there. No seperstion. Our completion mostly come against Zone coverage. Why anyone plays us zone is beyond as everyone who plays us man sticks to us and shrinks the passing Windows
2.) this clearly has affect the Qb ability to go vertical....are you going to keep trying to go vertical when the passing window isn't there . At least when gio was healthy he would tuck it and run and make some plays with feet ....and that occupies the safety and then the opposing defensive cordonator has to at least consider that threats and play some situation zone
When we had no threat to run....no one had any incentive to play anything but man coverage which had zerob ability to make them pay
3.) our Oline....is too bulked up for their body types. We lose athleticism for the Oline movement needed in this offense ....too stiff. Not quick. This is not a quick fix either....
4.) when you have all of the above...and the pro set was NOT yielding better results (see numbers last year when carroo was out) ...i think you just start playing for the future and start playing how you want to play and recruit and grow up the players to run what you want to do
That progress is three more years away
I agree with a lot of what you said but some things worry me from our offensive staff.
1. If our WRs do not fit into what we want to run we have to run different things. We refused to do that.
2. I do not think our o line bulked up too much. I think our guards were asked to do some things they were not used to and honestly our RT had some pretty terrible moments in pass protections which made Muller look even worse because it was a mess. One of two things is happening here. The first is that our RT was making these same mistakes weeks ago and it did not get fixed or we run a very odd or confusing protection scheme.
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