Randy Edsall dumps New Jersey Recruit .
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Mike & Mike - absolutely scathing assessment of Edsall's actions - additionally hammered him mercilessly for personally calling the kid at New Year's and saying "You have my word - you are 100% what we want" - Greeberg also pounds on the whole hypocrisy of the 'commitment' process.
Damien Woody enters into the discussion - and bluntly crushes Edsall says "it speaks to the character and integrity of the man " ... "I do not know how he now goes into the home of a prospect and makes any assurances" who will believe him? -he figures this may be an even larger issue going forward - parents are going to have a hard time forgetting about what Edsall did to this kid.... and may not trust him.
Damien Woody enters into the discussion - and bluntly crushes Edsall says "it speaks to the character and integrity of the man " ... "I do not know how he now goes into the home of a prospect and makes any assurances" who will believe him? -he figures this may be an even larger issue going forward - parents are going to have a hard time forgetting about what Edsall did to this kid.... and may not trust him.
Looks like the type of kid who can play special teams and would be a publicity bonanza and the State University saving a local kid. Do it!
Can't love this enough! Should do wonders for Uconn recruiting.
There is a hypocrisy though in that guys like Harbaugh are defended by the same commentators no matter what they do to a recruit.
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Said Edsall did a scumbag move , but it seems like the kid feels he has options so didn't jump on the URI offer because he's willing to gamble he gets a better offer and haav e URI as a fallback.
So with that in mind it's hard to feel completely sorry for the kid but can admit he was shafted by UConn.
BINGO Cornell >>>> UCONN
Looks like Edsall's reassurances were just going down a list of offers and giving blanket assurances to all via phone. Then when he gets to thinking about it he shows his true colors.
The kid should sue. And I hate the sue-happy culture. Edsall made him a verbal promise in that phone call in order to stop him from pursuing other options. And apparently, he had no reason to issue the assurances.. just wanted to tie everyone up until he figured out who he really wanted.
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I don't agree with the conventional wisdom on the board that kids should go to an Ivy League school (and likely pay a lot to go) rather than accept a scholarship at a pretty good school.
Even if you get some relief, it's $100k-$200k more to go to Cornell than, say, URI. Most people can't afford that.
As a blanket statement that's inaccurate. Ivy need based packages are generally more generous than most schools and are not limited to the indigent. It all depends on the family's situation.
It is a scumbag me of how it was handled. From day 1, HCRE should have told the kid that everyone is being re-evaluated. He never should have met with him to reassure is ship was safe, follow it up with an assistant contacting him and then discussing his upcoming visit. Then ax him.
that is fuxed up
that is fuxed up
He's got a lot of scrambling to do - places that really want him and are really bringing him in as an athlete will be slightly less of a hassle - the challenge there is to rapidly connect & find an academic and athletic match - with a program that wants him
However - for places that sort of straddle the student-athlete perspective - places where he might be looking to get in more on his academics & then seek need based aid - well in some of them it may be simple too late - "regular application" was January 1 for many of them ... and the financial paperwork has to be in too
While it is reported that Cornell had interest - he has missed the 'regular admission' deadlines there & it may now be off the table - athletic teams get a bit of wiggle room to be able to pull in key recruits -but there are limits.
However - for places that sort of straddle the student-athlete perspective - places where he might be looking to get in more on his academics & then seek need based aid - well in some of them it may be simple too late - "regular application" was January 1 for many of them ... and the financial paperwork has to be in too
While it is reported that Cornell had interest - he has missed the 'regular admission' deadlines there & it may now be off the table - athletic teams get a bit of wiggle room to be able to pull in key recruits -but there are limits.
This is a problem with recruiting. Kids receive an offer but these offers are not locked in. Every year coached pull offers in late January to make room for other kids who they flipped.
We have all heard stories where a coach may offer 5 Junior QBs and says the 1st one to commit gets the schollie. The come December of the senior year if a 5 star QB is interested that 1st kid will lose his offer. Many times the kids losing the schollie is a player the coaches see as a practice kid that needs work to maybe break the 2 deep by his 3rd to 4th year.
It is the bad side of recruiting.
We have all heard stories where a coach may offer 5 Junior QBs and says the 1st one to commit gets the schollie. The come December of the senior year if a 5 star QB is interested that 1st kid will lose his offer. Many times the kids losing the schollie is a player the coaches see as a practice kid that needs work to maybe break the 2 deep by his 3rd to 4th year.
It is the bad side of recruiting.
If he passed on Cornell to go to UConn, he may not be smart enough to go Ivy.
Or Uconn was a free ride and he still had to pay a ton of money to go to Cornell and his family couldn't afford it.
The Ivy League schools have ways to finance the education of athletes they want. They just don't call it an athletic scholarship.
Cornell is a great school - but we don't know his situation - or what he might have qualified for - or not - & what the "need" calculators would have stated - and maybe a full ride at UCONN was a real 'problem solver' for his situation.
for what it is worth - this is the "Official" Cornell statement on athletic scholarships:
"No merit aid or athletic scholarships are awarded at Cornell; all grant aid is need-based"
http://finaid.cornell.edu/types-aid/grants-and-scholarships
I do think this is overstated by folks on here. They definitely can help a middle class kid out somewhat, but it's not like they have kinds of tools to give a free ride to someone whose family has middle class NJ income. I get the point that there are things they can do, but it's not as generous as an athletic scholarship.
And one more thing...I believe he stopped pursuing other opportunities after he got a UCONN offer. He would not have had a commitable offer from Cornell by then. I believe that kids embellish those Ivy League offers much more than they do from other schools - because the process is drawn out and vague. (I had some direct experience with this a few years ago.)
https://njvarsity.rivals.com/news/l...n-open-market-and-fielding-plenty-of-interest
This said he had contact with RU. I'm not sure what that means but it would be a good story to take him. I would give him a scholarship just because it would be a national story on ESPN.
This said he had contact with RU. I'm not sure what that means but it would be a good story to take him. I would give him a scholarship just because it would be a national story on ESPN.
Wait. You think Rutgers giving a scholarship to a player UConn passed on
is a good idea?.....helps our image? Are we going for Miss Congeniality?
Randy's dick move made the Washington Post today. Good job by him.
Sure, but tell the kid that the first time you talk to him. And if you screwed up your original evaluation and change your mind about the kid after his position coach was just with him 3 days ago setting up his OV - then suck it up and honor the commitment - they have 10 commits right now - who the hell are they making room for - could carrying this kid for four years really be as detrimental to the program as the horrible reputation they just earned with high schools throughout NJ? Massively stupid move by Edsal.
100% correct - plus true potential is not a binary item - it is not black & white it is not possible to definitively state that the kid is good / not good - every recruit is a roll of the dice - and some seem to have higher potential - some are in the gray zone
- the kid has determination coming out of his ears - been a 3 year starter on a team that has won a championship - and is a wrestler - and has a 3.9 GPA - and is extensively involved in substantive service activities - while no one can predict the future - it would seem that there's a good chance that this kid could - even if he never became a full time starter - might make a solid contribution to the quality and character of the team.
You are correct - If you personally call the kid on New Year's and promise him that he is wanted and his scholarship is 100% assured - and then you have his position coach travel to visit him setting up his OV - then you have a brain fart and think you screwed up your original evaluation and change your mind about the kid -- well then - YES - then suck it up and honor the commitment and hope that he blossoms - and really - think about all of the "sure things" that have turned out to be duds - or trouble - and here you have at the very least - very high character & determination - to add to a team that needs to be rebuilt.
I agree. The UConn faithful are doing everything they can to make it seem like this was just a routine case of an offer being pulled. But when someone mentions the inconvenient fact about Edsall saying that the offer was safe, they start to blame the kid, his parents and the kid's high school coach for misunderstanding what really must have been said.
They sure are working hard to defend someone who they hated just a few weeks ago.
This morning LIVE from Bristol, Connecticut, Mike Golic (who was not on the show yesterday & thus did not get his turn at bat) let loose with a intense verbal beat-down of Edsall - "you told the kid that his scholarship was SAFE ... then turned around and took it back - You LIED to the kid's face!"
... you could have avoided the scholarship status - or said that it was not decided ... but NO, YOU LIED ....
Golic said 'I know this guy - he tried to recruit my sons' (you could almost see steam coming out of Golic's ears ...)
he went on a bit of a rant about how there is nothing that he hates more that when somebody lies to his face
... and then he again said "Randy Edsall LIED to this kid"
... you could have avoided the scholarship status - or said that it was not decided ... but NO, YOU LIED ....
Golic said 'I know this guy - he tried to recruit my sons' (you could almost see steam coming out of Golic's ears ...)
he went on a bit of a rant about how there is nothing that he hates more that when somebody lies to his face
... and then he again said "Randy Edsall LIED to this kid"
Exactly, honor the commitment. It's not like they are bringing gin a 5 star stud. Who the hell are they going to replace him with? I'm sure it's noone important.
yeah.. my Cornell support was based on a full ride there too. Depending on what he wants to major in, he could be easily well-served at any state u.
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