I do feel tonight showed we might be one person short at the forward/center position as it kind of felt we were two people short but maybe enough Ace will negate that. Good thing Lathan at least has a bit going on and took great pride in rebounding and manning the paint, hopefully he’ll absorb defensive criticism like a sponge cause he’s a true true offensive talent at C.
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I think that is a bit high, I think a lot depends how quickly Acuff gets into the flow.
You finally get bored of stalking & cyber bullying Al on the football board and decided to come over to the basketball board to spread your brand of total douchebaggery.
JD only took 4 shots in 26 minutes. If I recall correctly, all were open and good looks. None went down, but it did not impact the outcome. Beyond that, his overall game, ball movement, handle, man on and perimeter D, defensive rebounding, effort and even blocks in the paint were extremely positive impacts towards the win. The JMiller comparison shows off your low IQ.
Pike can't help himself......but that philosophy is why we usually are an elite defensive teAM
Can see why Pitino compared Dylan to Clyde. Just such a smooth game. I’m not sure RU has ever had a player like him. He just seems so natural and unforced. He did look a little winded at one point. College game.
Sommerville looked very good. Think we forgot what a high recruit he was. The backward pass in the paint was Walton like. First basket of his career is a three point shot. As a forward and scorer he is going to be a hand full. Can he guard bigger centers?
You can tell Martini is going to be good. Very sound fundamentally. Actually would have liked him to have more shots.
Hayes looked like everything Gavin was supposed to be last year. Looks like decent athlete. Ran the court well.
Derkack was a good pest, hustled and got in the mix. Always good to have a guy like that. Other teams will hate him. A smaller Paul Mulcahy?
JWill was usual steady self and seemed to be having fun. Good to see.
Acuff is bigger than I thought and you can tell a bit rusty. You can see he has game. I suspect after winter break he will be a force come late January and February.
Glad Grant got some minutes. Expect he will develop in the old school manner
Now for the negative the hypocrisy of many posters on this board is ridiculous.
Last year Simpson played great D, hustled, fair share of assists, steals, rebounds, handled the ball well and was by far the best foul shooter on the team and was crucified for missing shots. Basically driven out of town.
JMAC does the same exact thing, solid D and hustle and ball handling. But misses wide open shots, more silly drives where he was bailed out by foul calls, which he won’t get in the B1G, scores exactly zero points from the field and he is a hero who played well. SMH.
Simpson didn’t have advantage of playing with Dylan either. If you guys don’t see the double standards…
A guard playing opposite Dylan is going to have to hit open shots and score from the field. JWill can and I suspect it will also be Acuff when he gets fully healthy.
I totally disagree. Among other things, J Mike's great on ball defense will be an absolute necessity to protect our weak interior post defense by making it difficult for the opposing team's PG to make easy entry passes to the post, or to penetrate and dish inside.
I don’t see the double standard.
If Simpson consistently had JMikes stat line from last night (while only taking 4 shots in 26 minutes) he would have received the same treatment.
But Simpson was a higher volume shooter than that and had what (the worst?) shooting % of any player in d1 with his volume of shots?!! I mean, come on, that’s pretty bad and well worthy of criticism.
As the season goes on if JMike shoots anywhere NEAR the volume as Simpson did and shoots at anywhere NEAR the horrific % as Simpson (particularly on THIS team) - he will certainly receive massive criticism. Deservedly so.
Simpson was well liked by fans - seemed like a good kid - played hard - the only reason he received criticism was for his piss poor shooting. Not only do I not see a double standard I don’t even see any reason why there would be (why would fans give JMIke the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn’t extend to Simpson?). Makes no sense to me. His shooting was deserving of the criticism it received.
The other thing I'll mention about Simpson is that, GOING INTO LAST SEASON, everybody was very high on him, hoping that he would make strides as a 2nd year player after playing pretty well in the final 6 or 7 games of his freshman year. It wasn't until about halfway through last season, with a large sample size of his mostly horrific shooting, that the fan tide turned against him.
JMike deserves the same benefit of the doubt here in the EARLY PART OF HIS 2ND YEAR. Yes, he has the benefit of a much better surrounding cast, such that his expected role is as a backup point guard who is not expected to score too much, whereas Simpson was forced to shoulder the burden of being the guy everyone expected to be our leading or second-leading scorer. That wasn't Simpson's fault that there wasn't anybody better.
But if JMike plays his role like he did last night -- 3 points (all FTs), 5 assists, 0 turnovers, 2 blocks, 1 steal, and REALLY good (way better than Miller) defense, and only takes 4 shots (all "good" shots btw) when the shot isn't falling -- then he should be in the guard rotation. He will be especially valuable against opposing small/quick guards. On the other hand, if he plays offense like he did last year, repeatedly driving into the trees without a plan, trying to force up shots instead of dishing, or tries to take 8 to 12 shots at a bad percentage, then I have no doubt this board will give him the Simpson treatment.
Wrong. ‘Good look’ depends on the shooter. If a player can’t make a shot, it’s not a good look. Is the same shot a good look for Ogbole ? Of course not.
Based on last year, his shots are essentially turnovers. Maybe this year he will improve but it’s doubtful.
And two blocks from behind a player on the same sequence who didn’t see him does nothing to indicate season-long interior D talent.
Off-guards need to be able to shoot, and he can’t.
I think that is unfair as Ogbole did not start those "fights". It seems to me his size intimidates opponents and they try to get him into foul trouble.. it is working so far. But, for example, that dual PF on both players.. wtf?.. Ogbole was attacked and he gets a foul for it so refs can "control" the game?
He missed the two layups driving into the trees when truth be told should have been three point plays. Reality 0-6 from the field. Won’t get those calls in the B1G. Simpson was very good against opposing/quick guards and no Dylan and did not ever get same benefit of the doubt if being honest. Way better defense? In what world? Simpson more steals and rebounds while primary ball handler so spare me.
Off guard off Dylan has to hit shots or Dylan will be doubled or tripled. Bending over backwards to say good game when nothing from the field and Simpson would have been ripped to high heaven.
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This. Davis is so much better than Miller it is ridiculous.
G-RUint: good post other than the Simpson and Davis comparisons, IMO. We will have to agree to disagree on that.
And ... Derkack is not much smaller than Mulcahy. Mulcahy was 6'7" and strong. Derkack is 6'6" and not quite as strong. BUT ... Derkack is significantly quicker, better leaper, more athletic than Mulcahy. And for better or worse is MUCH more offensive minded than Mulcahy. I know you were saying they were similar in ATTITUDE, and potentially getting under the skin of the opposition ... and I agree that may be. I thought I'd add the other itesm, because they really are not similar style players, nor have similar strengths or weaknesses ... just similar in having an edginess to their game.
If you are out on the court, you have to be prepared to take shots. As Lion pointed out, he passed up open shots to pass to a better shooter a number of times. I believe he played 26 minutes and only took 4 shots.
Yes, I too was reminded of myself watching Dylan out there, so I get it. I'm sure it's a very apt comparison.
JMike was 0-3 on treys. If he makes one of those, he’s at a respectable 33%. For lack of that one made shot, we’re heaping too much criticism on a guy who did everything else well.
I said much better defense than MILLER, not Simpson. I agree that Simpson was a good defender.
JMike made 3 of the 4 FTs on those fouls. No credit for improving his foul shooting?
JMike with 5 assists and 0 TOs. You often criticized him last year for being a point guard who had few assists. No credit for leading the team in assists?
Simpson never given same consideration.
Wasnt he one of best foul shooters in the conference/country?
I was addressing some comments of other poster. Not directed at you.
3-4 was improvement! Kudos. Did clang one that jumped in. Could have have been 0-6 and 50% from line.
Assists nice. Again in fairness to Simpson no JWill for most of year and certainly no Dylan. Gavin collapsed. Martini and Hayes looked good.
Majority of board ripped Simpson last year. Still think he got a raw deal and will move on. But if Simpson played yesterday and had that line Board would be livid.
Guard opposite Dylan has to hit open shots. I suspect it might be Acuff.
Wasnt he one of best foul shooters in the conference/country?
I was addressing some comments of other poster. Not directed at you.
3-4 was improvement! Kudos. Did clang one that jumped in. Could have have been 0-6 and 50% from line.
Assists nice. Again in fairness to Simpson no JWill for most of year and certainly no Dylan. Gavin collapsed. Martini and Hayes looked good.
Majority of board ripped Simpson last year. Still think he got a raw deal and will move on. But if Simpson played yesterday and had that line Board would be livid.
Guard opposite Dylan has to hit open shots. I suspect it might be Acuff.
While I was kind of silently agreeing with some of what you were saying, Jalen Miller is too much.
Any real RUTGERS fan should put trollshelby on ignore. He never has anything positive to say about our FB or BB teams and is a Siberiacuse clown waiting for the restoration of that long ago formerly good program. He doesn't even bother to post things that are actually rational.
Were posters ripping Simpson after Game #1 last season like you and others are doing with JMike?
I recall it was well into the season after shaky team performance and an accumulation of high usage & volume shooting with a low shooting percentage. You guys are giving the same treatment to JMike after one game and 4 total shots LOL.
Well into the season? You may want to re-read posts. Just be fair. Simpson didn’t have supporting case did he?
Are you Simpson's uncle or something? Just do not understand this obsession. Team couldnt bring both JMike/Simpson, just way too similar and both not good enough themselves to justify keeping. Pike kept the younger one who was friends with Ace instead of the older one who was meant to break out and did not. I dont think ive watched a single second of one of these games and wished Simpson was playing. What are we missing?
Hardly an obsession. Dont like hypocrisy or double standards. All good. 2nd guard opposite of Dylan not scoring any points from the field scares the hell out of me. Guard last year got hell for that? What are we missing? Two can play that game.
Both solid defenders and weak offensive players. Miller knew enough not to take shots he'd miss and he never pushed the ball out of control turning it over or getting his runners swatted. He played within his abilities.
I do believe JMiss more talented than JMill, but not by as much as many here think. Very similar, but JMill had much better judgment than JMiss did last year. Let's see if he cleans it up this year.
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I base my criticism not on 0-3 but on body-of-work last year and the simple fact that players' talents are largely fixed by the time they get to college. Bad shooters don't become average shooters, nevermind good shooters.
Percentages go up and down marginally over careers. Random variation.
Since it is pretty much all you have posted about recently, obsession is a fair term. Wasn’t JWill the 2nd guard opposite Dylan? He scored from the field.
I think when Ace is back and Acuff is fully integrated into the team, JMike’s minutes will go down, but he will have a role, especially against teams that have a small quick guard.
You are basing this on last year. I have been to 2 practices and JMike has worked incredibly hard on his three point shooting. It was much improved in practice. Last night 2 of his 3 pointers were in and out. He will hit a few but we do not want him taking threes when PJ and Martini should be. PJ only having 6 shots and Martino only 4 shots are not enough. PJ has to get 10 shots a game and Martini 6-8 .
Now what we want to see out of JMike and his development is he has to lose the part of his game where he goes 1 on 2 into trees. That has to disappear.
Expect a little more offense out of JMike but we have a lot of offensive weapons , Dylan, Ace , Latham , PJ and Zack so we do not need his big offensive game. But getting 5-7 points a game with a good floor game and tight defense will be important. He will likely for some minutes guard Sears in the Alabama game. Need his defense elite that day.
Yes I base on last year as well. History shows that skills don't change. These guys have been playing basketball long enough that one year doesn't change anything.
Either you're a good shooter or you aren't.
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Some things change….the unit and simpson not so much
You as usual are clueless. I just told you that he has worked real hard on his shooting in general but also his three point shooting . You believe no one can improve their shooting. How asinine. His form both from the field and foul line looks much better. His threes were not missed badly and at least 1 was in and out. He shouldn’t be taking a lot of threes because we have others that can knock them down . But to crucify the kid and declare you know he will give us no offense is just wrong and shortsighted after 1 game. Wait a while before making your ridiculous statements
The problem: you’re seeing a “double standard” that isn’t there
JMike shot 4 shots!!? Wtf are you even talking about?!?
If he shoots anywhere near the VOLUME that Simpson did at anywhere near the PUTRID % that Simpson shot and JMIke will get absolutely crushed on this board.
But at this point, honestly, I don’t know what the f$&k you’re talking about
This is accurate. With all the attention Ace and Dylan will draw, Davis will be a huge liability if he can’t hit open shots. And, he won’t be able to. That’s not in his toolbox. Not him. It is what it is.
You’re forecasting too.
Point to a bad shooter who became a good one. Just one. Ever.
I don’t give a crap how hard someone works to improve shooting, they just don’t. Cliff tried hard too for 4 years. Davis has been playing basketball twice as long as Cliff so if he can’t shoot after at least 10 years of playing, it’s not going to happen no matter how much he practices. Either you can or you can’t.
I am sure he will not ever be a good shooter.
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I've had that one on IGNORE for quite some time. I don't have a large list, but he earned his spot on it.
