RAPID REACTION - Wagner

[linzalonic]

He’s unplayable!

As we mover forward into actual real competition we cannot play JMike. Great on ball defender against smaller guards.

Cannot create a shot, out of control, and cannot shoot at all. We can not pay 4 on 5. You saw a little zone tonight against us, as Wagner tried to keep Dylan away from the basket. Will continue to see zone when Ace is back. Dylan and Ace will draw all of the attention and double teams. JMike helps Zero percent spreading and spacing the floor.
You have to minimize his time and put more shooting on the floor.
Will not be an issue in the lesser games but big ten play and Vegas it will be exposed.

Lol

 

[G- RUnit]

I love the guy and share your exact concerns. Obviously a sample size of 4 isn't terrible significant so I will have to use what i saw in 2023-24. Mildly concerned we may have a bunch of bricklayers...

Devils have good goaltending
Washington is good at football
It doesnt rain

Some things change….the unit and simpson not so much

Pot meet Kettle.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Yes I base on last year as well. History shows that skills don't change. These guys have been playing basketball long enough that one year doesn't change anything.

Either you're a good shooter or you aren't.

Disagree to an extent. Mechanics matter and if a change is made there, it can make a big difference. That’s why we have coaches in every sport. But expecting to change results materially just based on putting up 1000 shots a day at practice, probably yields little.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

What a compelling argument.

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You are nuts if you turn on a ACC or SEC game and think those programs play D and have the same standards as us. Not remotely close save a few programs.

On a seperate note...very impressed how Dylan got over a high screen in the 1st half

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Pot meet Kettle.

what does that really mean? I see it but never really thought about it what and why and how

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Unit,

Simpson and JaMike are very similar players....and yes Simpson is probably better in all facets.

The simple reality is we don't need 2 and it was obvious that the team did not respect Derek and frankly didn't like him.

 

[RUInsanity]

Hardly an obsession. Dont like hypocrisy or double standards. All good. 2nd guard opposite of Dylan not scoring any points from the field scares the hell out of me. Guard last year got hell for that? What are we missing? Two can play that game.

If you don't like hypocrisy or double standards why are you being a hypocrite? You stuck up and continue to stick up for Simpson and at the same time denigrate JMike for essentially the same type of performance/issues. You're scared as hell about JMike being on the floor but seemed to have no problem with Simpson on the floor.

How about you get your own house in order before you point fingers at others for the same thing you are doing.

 

[BillyC80]

Small sample but Jacob Young shot 36.9% his last year at Rutgers from 3, and then shot 25.7% at a Oregon.

Cam Spencer shot 43.4% from 3 at Rutgers and 44.0% at UConn playing with better offensive players, which should have provided him with cleaner looks.

Steve definitely puts a premium on playing good defense, but it is not like they are pressing all 94 feet for 40 minutes. It is also not the case that is style is that unique compared to the rest of college basketball.

I think it’s a matter of degree. Half the teams in college basketball play above average defense, and of those, a certain percentage play either outstanding or elite defense. With Pike we have mostly been in that outstanding to elite range.

And, since up to now Pike has had to bring in mostly under-recruited over-achievers, lacking high level offensive skills, it stands to reason his coaching has had to incorporate a more intense style of defense in order to compete.

 

[G- RUnit]

Unit,

Simpson and JaMike are very similar players....and yes Simpson is probably better in all facets.

The simple reality is we don't need 2 and it was obvious that the team did not respect Derek and frankly didn't like him.

Geeze. I could never know those dynamics. What team members are we talking about that didn’t respect/like him? None left.

Still mind boggling that a kid who was a total effort/hustle guy, played great D, one of best foul shooters in conference/conference and only option other than Hyatt should get so much scorn from RU fans.

Paul left, Spencer left, Cliff was limited offensively, Mags threw in the towel, GG was an utter disappointment. JMike couldn’t make a shot. Until J Williams arrived there was basically nobody. Amazed we were 15-17 and Simpson deserved some credit for that. So let’s rip Simpson?

Just thought ironic with JMike getting so many kudos with a line that RU fans would have lambasted Simpson.

Still think not hitting any own shots and zero points, while okay against Wagner, will be a big problem in B1G play. Difference of opinion is not trolling.

 

[G- RUnit]

If you don't like hypocrisy or double standards why are you being a hypocrite? You stuck up and continue to stick up for Simpson and at the same time denigrate JMike for essentially the same type of performance/issues. You're scared as hell about JMike being on the floor but seemed to have no problem with Simpson on the floor.

How about you get your own house in order before you point fingers at others for the same thing you are doing.

Just the opposite. If you think both are being treated the same…

 

[Shelby65]

I look at it this way, will he have a positive impact (not negative, not neutral) during his time on the floor?

Will his efforts lead to us scoring more than the opponents when he’s out there?

If the answer is yes, then he deserves the minutes he gets. A marginally better shooter who gives up more points on defense is not gonna help us win as much as JMike does.

Unit,

Simpson and JaMike are very similar players....and yes Simpson is probably better in all facets.

The simple reality is we don't need 2 and it was obvious that the team did not respect Derek and frankly didn't like him.

I agree Simpson was better at everything. I don’t know if the team didn’t respect him, but I believe that Ace coming was a big factor in keeping Davis,

One thing Simpson did that disgusted me, and by now I forget which game it was, was when he got a T for taunting after making a shot that l almost cost the team the game and after the technical he still had a stupid smirk on his face like he was glad for doing it. Totally embarrassed himself.

 

[PaKnight]

I agree Simpson was better at everything. I don’t know if the team didn’t respect him, but I believe that Ace coming was a big factor in keeping Davis,

One thing Simpson did that disgusted me, and by now I forget which game it was, was when he got a T for taunting after making a shot that l almost cost the team the game and after the technical he still had a stupid smirk on his face like he was glad for doing it. Totally embarrassed himself.

That was a BS technical. Players do it all the time and never get called for the technical.

 

[G- RUnit]

I agree Simpson was better at everything. I don’t know if the team didn’t respect him, but I believe that Ace coming was a big factor in keeping Davis,

One thing Simpson did that disgusted me, and by now I forget which game it was, was when he got a T for taunting after making a shot that l almost cost the team the game and after the technical he still had a stupid smirk on his face like he was glad for doing it. Totally embarrassed himself.

I think it was the Maryland game. Wasn’t there but heard Maryland Crowd was taunting him more than usual?
And at the time I thought a bad call.

Same game where he made unbelievable Dr. J like shot that made ESPN top ten? We won that game away.

I like speed and quickness. Had flashes of Jacob Young and old timers, Darius!!

Oh well.

 

[PaKnight]

I think it’s a matter of degree. Half the teams in college basketball play above average defense, and of those, a certain percentage play either outstanding or elite defense. With Pike we have mostly been in that outstanding to elite range.

And, since up to now Pike has had to bring in mostly under-recruited over-achievers, lacking high level offensive skills, it stands to reason his coaching has had to incorporate a more intense style of defense in order to compete.

I get that part about being a matter of degree, and I have said that Steve puts a premium on defense, but to say that our defensive effort is so unique to every other school in the country and that it affects our shooters compared to the rest of the country is just silly.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

our 3pt FG% has been horrific every year but 1 under Pike. In that year we were exactly average.

 

[lion1983]

JMike was 0-3 on treys. If he makes one of those, he’s at a respectable 33%. For lack of that one made shot, we’re heaping too much criticism on a guy who did everything else well.

“ if my aunt had balls…..”. He didn’t go 4-4.

put another way, he did nothing on Wednesday to suggest he’s a better shooter this year. it’s idiotic to suggest he’s better based on “he’s worked very hard at it”.

That’s just not who he is.

I asked the other poster to name just one player in history who progressed from bad to good shooter. No reply. Some players can shoot, some can pass well, some can dribble well, etc. skills don’t change. Davis can’t shoot even as well as Simpson, who of course never got better at it either.

Okay - here are some others, only those who played in the Big Ten:

Keegan Murray - Iowa: 30% 3-pt FG as a freshman, 40% as a sophomore.

Ron Harper - RU: 30% as a frosh, 35% as a soph, 31% as a junior, 40% as a senior

Terrence Shannon - as someone else posted: 26% as a frosh, 36% as soph, 38% as a junior

Boo Buie - NW: 26% as a frosh, 36% as a soph, 34% as a junior, 32% as a senior, 43%+ as a covid sr.

Roy Marble - Iowa: 27% as a frosh, 39% as a soph, 33% as a junior, 35% as a senior

Damon Santiago - RU: 24% as a junior, 44% as a senior

My point would be, that in about 20 minutes of very limited research, I found 7 players, just from the Big Ten and RU, who improved their 3-pt FG% by at least 10 percentage points, from 30% 3-pt FG, to even as low as 24%-26%, from one season to the next, many from freshman years to sophomore years.

I am NOT saying Davis (at 22% last year) will be one of those. But to say it is impossible is ridiculous. And to say it is impossible he could raise his 3-pt FG% to just 30% - which is below average, but with his other skills might allow RU to benefit greatly from his playing time - is also very close-minded, shall we say.

 

[PhillyRU]

Disagree to an extent. Mechanics matter and if a change is made there, it can make a big difference. That’s why we have coaches in every sport. But expecting to change results materially just based on putting up 1000 shots a day at practice, probably yields little.

I definitely agree the shot looks better and ultimately that’s why we play the Sisters of the Poor — to see if, among other things, JMike’s perimeter shooting has improved.

He just needs to take and make (~32-35%) the wide open shots from 3 to keep defenses honest. JWill can’t shoot either, but he hunts himself high efficiency looks at the rim, and the spacing will be catastrophic if both play and shoot badly.

 

[mjjoyce51]

Okay - here are some others, only those who played in the Big Ten:

Keegan Murray - Iowa: 30% 3-pt FG as a freshman, 40% as a sophomore.

Ron Harper - RU: 30% as a frosh, 35% as a soph, 31% as a junior, 40% as a senior

Terrence Shannon - as someone else posted: 26% as a frosh, 36% as soph, 38% as a junior

Boo Buie - NW: 26% as a frosh, 36% as a soph, 34% as a junior, 32% as a senior, 43%+ as a covid sr.

Roy Marble - Iowa: 27% as a frosh, 39% as a soph, 33% as a junior, 35% as a senior

Damon Santiago - RU: 24% as a junior, 44% as a senior

My point would be, that in about 20 minutes of very limited research, I found 7 players, just from the Big Ten and RU, who improved their 3-pt FG% by at least 10 percentage points, from 30% 3-pt FG, to even as low as 24%-26%, from one season to the next, many from freshman years to sophomore years.

I am NOT saying Davis (at 22% last year) will be one of those. But to say it is impossible is ridiculous. And to say it is impossible he could raise his 3-pt FG% to just 30% - which is below average, but with his other skills might allow RU to benefit greatly from his playing time - is also very close-minded, shall we say.

I'll add a couple more form RU:

Mulcahy: 27%, 39%, 35%, 37%
Martini: 17%, 33%, 37%
Fernandes: 27%, 39%, 36%, 45%, 36%
Eugene Omoruyi - 0%, 0%, 31%, 38%

While it certainly isn't a guarantee to happen, it's absolutely insane to say no one can improve their three point shooting after their freshman year.

 

[Shelby65]

there’s normal variation.

anyhow, comparing JMiss to Roy Marble maybe the best Iowa player ever, and other stars is absurd. Did Marble get worse as a senior ? How could that be ?

JMiss will never be a good shooter. He’s just not capable of that. Sad you guys don’t understand.

 

[PaKnight]

our 3pt FG% has been horrific every year but 1 under Pike. In that year we were exactly average.

Okay - here are some others, only those who played in the Big Ten:

Keegan Murray - Iowa: 30% 3-pt FG as a freshman, 40% as a sophomore.

Ron Harper - RU: 30% as a frosh, 35% as a soph, 31% as a junior, 40% as a senior

Terrence Shannon - as someone else posted: 26% as a frosh, 36% as soph, 38% as a junior

Boo Buie - NW: 26% as a frosh, 36% as a soph, 34% as a junior, 32% as a senior, 43%+ as a covid sr.

Roy Marble - Iowa: 27% as a frosh, 39% as a soph, 33% as a junior, 35% as a senior

Damon Santiago - RU: 24% as a junior, 44% as a senior

My point would be, that in about 20 minutes of very limited research, I found 7 players, just from the Big Ten and RU, who improved their 3-pt FG% by at least 10 percentage points, from 30% 3-pt FG, to even as low as 24%-26%, from one season to the next, many from freshman years to sophomore years.

I am NOT saying Davis (at 22% last year) will be one of those. But to say it is impossible is ridiculous. And to say it is impossible he could raise his 3-pt FG% to just 30% - which is below average, but with his other skills might allow RU to benefit greatly from his playing time - is also very close-minded, shall we say.

Harper was at 27.8% not even 30%.

 

[Shelby65]

The opposite is actually true, he would be a liability if the rest of the lineup was offensively challenged. Playing with talented offensive players, you can afford to have players who focus on defense, pushing the pace. Guys like Rambis for the 80’s Lakers or Rodman for the Bulls were not offensive threats but had roles to play.

Like I posted earlier, I see his minutes going down once Ace is back and Acuff is all the way back.

Bad take. Rambis and Rodman were inside players in different offenses and eras. The Lakers and Bulls didn’t run weave. We don’t have inside talent. We rely on having shooters.