Reiber should be in rotation…

[scarletnewyorker2006]

With Cliff gone, if we can’t bring in a transfer big man worthy of starting, then Wolfork will be the man with Dean playing the same role he did last season. It’s highly doubtful Wolfork in year 2 will be as good as Cliff was last season. Reiber could be at his peak importance next season. Let him fight his way off the bench. He and we will be stronger for it next season.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Reiber not the same player recovering from injury.

It wasn’t a severe injury, he missed a week in October. But it will be used all year to cover for losing his spot as primary backup

 

[MiloTalon13]

Unfortunately NET metrics now require blow outs so PT suffers. In games where they can be closer perhaps a few minutes can be spared.

Yup, and that's unfortunate for guys like Reiber and Miller, but especially important when you've been a bubble team.
If this program keeps going where it's headed, it will be different, but that's at least a couple of years down the road.

 

[MiloTalon13]

Transfer portal in the offing

Seems like it, let's hope a 2023 big (or xfer) is still a possibility, seems like there's still some irons in the fire.
No transfers out last year, but in this day and age that's an anomaly, not something we'll see year in and year out.

 

[RedTeam1994]

Reiber looks more frustrated than lost. I still think he will have value in the rotation, either as a backup hacker at the 5, or a stretch 4.if shot comes back. will see how the season plays out..

I agree. Even though Reiber is a marginal (at best) Big10 player we could use the depth at his position. Thus I wish he could have gotten a few more minutes

Miller? Don’t need the depth at his position and he’s simply been passed by.

 

[zebnatto]

Kind of agree and disagree with the opening premise. AW has been a big surprise and simply earned his minutes. That said, Dean has shown he can be a competent B1G player. I'd think Pike would be looking for ways to build his confidence back. In a game like last night's , ten minutes rather than four would have been a good idea.

 

[letitrip2]

Weird post OP after watching the development of Wolf. The answer is obvious.

Want another example of why Pike is a great coach right now. Hall vs St Johns. Montez is still out of control and selfish. Feel bad for the kid but he has not improved one iota since his soph year.

 

[cm_13]

Woolfolk was amazing tonight...his drive and dunk..out of nowhere!

I thought for sure he was going to get his pocket picked from behind there. Next thing you know he’s barreling towards the rim and throwing down a dunk.

 

[RedTeam1994]

Weird post OP after watching the development of Wolf. The answer is obvious.

Want another example of why Pike is a great coach right now. Hall vs St Johns. Montez is still out of control and selfish. Feel bad for the kid but he has not improved one iota since his soph year.

I don’t think it’s “weird” at all.

I think it’s obvious that woolfolk has deservedly passed Reiber. But we are not even remotely deep at the 4/5 positions. So wondering whether Reiber should be getting some more minutes to help with depth is far from “weird”

 

[cm_13]

Woolf is a monster and will only get better! Watch his footwork and his passing out of the post. I actually wish Cliff had a few of his inside moves. I have high hopes for him and he has surpassed rieber who does look lost this year—very odd

The Ohio State game sealed it for me. Cliff had a really rough first half and that game swung in Rutgers’ favor when Woolfolk came into the game in the first half.

I’ve since lost count of how many times I’ve said “good minutes from Woolfolk there” when he checks out of the game. He is solid and deserves all of the minutes he’s getting.

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

I don’t think it’s “weird” at all.

I think it’s obvious that woolfolk has deservedly passed Reiber. But we are not even remotely deep at the 4/5 positions. So wondering whether Reiber should be getting some more minutes to help with depth is far from “weird”

Getting more minutes against Coppin isn’t going to suddenly turn the lights on for a third year player (as opposed to its value for a first year with tons of upside like Wolf). Pike knows what he has.

 

[NickRU714]

This is the same as the preseason threads about Oskar hopefully getting 10min a game.

Not sure why people think we are going to have a 13 man rotation - like no other basketball team at any level.

The OP should have included a breakdown of minutes and where these 10min are going to come from.

 

[RedTeam1994]

Getting more minutes against Coppin isn’t going to suddenly turn the lights on for a third year player (as opposed to its value for a first year with tons of upside like Wolf). Pike knows what he has.

Never said anything remotely close to one game aagainst coppin “suddenly turning the lights on” .

Generally would have liked to see Reiber get just a few more minutes throughout the season. But I understand that he also needs to give woolfolk (who is clearly better) minutes to develop

Next respond to the comment being made

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Never said anything remotely close to one game aagainst coppin “suddenly turning the lights on” .

Generally would have liked to see Reiber get just a few more minutes throughout the season. But I understand that he also needs to give woolfolk (who is clearly better) minutes to develop

Next respond to the comment being made

I was. I’m saying there is NO benefit to playing Reiber (3rd year) at the expense of Wolf (frosh). None. You said the opposite.

Next response realize that your personal feeling of wanting to see more minutes for an underachiever has no basis in logic or reasoning.

 

[RedTeam1994]

This is the same as the preseason threads about Oskar hopefully getting 10min a game.

Not sure why people think we are going to have a 13 man rotation - like no other basketball team at any level.

The OP should have included a breakdown of minutes and where these 10min are going to come from.

No. It’s not like that. At all. Oscar has shown nothing. Ever. Oscar is right where he should be.

We need depth at the 4/5. Last year Reiber was serviceable. Don’t think anyone here is saying Reiber deserves a lot of minutes (certainly not me) but it is a reasonable question to wonder if he should have gotten a bit more at this point

 

[RedTeam1994]

I was. I’m saying there is NO benefit to playing Reiber (3rd year) at the expense of Wolf (frosh). None. You said the opposite.

Next response realize that your personal feeling of wanting to see more minutes for an underachiever has no basis in logic or reasoning.

Whatever.

Put words in someone’s mouth then criticize them for the words you assigned to them = you. Nice.

Listen, I am no huge fan of Reiber. Honestly, wouldn’t hurt if he transfered so we can bring in a better big next year. My comments come solely from a concern about lack of depth at the 4/5. That’s it. He WAS serviceable last year - so wondering if he could still contribute as 2nd backup (behind woolfolk) this year is hardly “lacking in logic or reason”.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Are people actually watching Reiber play this year or are they going based on expectations? He’s been awful. Period.

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Whatever.

Put words in someone’s mouth then criticize them for the words you assigned to them = you. Nice.

Listen, I am no huge fan of Reiber. Honestly, wouldn’t hurt if he transfered so we can bring in a better big next year. My comments come solely from a concern about lack of depth at the 4/5. That’s it. He WAS serviceable last year - so wondering if he could contribute as 2nd backup (behind woolfolk) this year is hardly “lacking in logic or reason”.

It lacks reason to think that him getting minutes effects our depth. Pike knows what he can get out of him, and more game minutes obviously isn’t going to change that. The depth is there whether he plays or not. If Cliff and Wolf are in foul trouble, then he will play - and more minutes earlier in the year isn’t going to make him more effective at this point.

 

[NickRU714]

No. It’s not like that. At all. Oscar has shown nothing. Ever. Oscar is right where he should be.

We need depth at the 4/5. Last year Reiber was serviceable. Don’t think anyone here is saying Reiber deserves a lot of minutes (certainly not me) but it is a reasonable question to wonder if he should have gotten a bit more at this point

Ok. From where?
Currently Reiber is at 7mpg.

5 (40mpg)
Clif 28mpg
Woolfolk: 10mpg
2mpg left

So the solution there is reduce Woolfolks minutes or what exactly?
Regarding 4/wing - are you removing McConnell (32min) or Mag (25mpg) or Hyatt(26mpg) mins?

I’m just asking a simple follow up question.
“Dean should get more minutes.”

Ok. From who? What lineups should Dean be in and replace who?

 

[RedTeam1994]

It lacks reason to think that him getting minutes effects our depth. Pike knows what he can get out of him, and more game minutes obviously isn’t going to change that. The depth is there whether he plays or not. If Cliff and Wolf are in foul trouble, then he will play - and more minutes earlier in the year isn’t going to make him more effective at this point.

I don’t totally disagree with your points.

Thing is - however - when I see Reiber I see a player that’s really out-of-sorts. Super hesitant. Has made me wonder if he had gotten more minutes against all these blowouts-over-cupcakes whether he’d be closer to the serviceable Reiber we saw last year rather than the hesitant train wreck he is this year.

WHEN he is relied upon (and this WILL happen due to depth) at some point in Big10 play, well, let’s just hope you’re right (ie, him getting some more time won’t have mattered).

Btw - thanks for responding to what I actually posted

 

[RedTeam1994]

Ok. From where?
Currently Reiber is at 7mpg.

5 (40mpg)
Clif 28mpg
Woolfolk: 10mpg
2mpg left

So the solution there is reduce Woolfolks minutes or what exactly?
Regarding 4/wing - are you removing McConnell (32min) or Mag (25mpg) or Hyatt(26mpg) mins?

I’m just asking a simple follow up question.
“Dean should get more minutes.”

Ok. From who? What lineups should Dean be in and replace who?

We have had multiple blow out wins over cupcakes. There was more time.

Whatever - WHEN he is relied upon to contribute come Big10 play (at some point cliff and woolfolk will both be in foul trouble) let’s hope SWAIN is right (ie, Reiber getting more time early in the season wouldnt have made a difference). I hope he’s right

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

I don’t totally disagree with your points.

Thing is - however - when I see Reiber I see a player that’s really out-of-sorts. Super hesitant. Has made me wonder if he had gotten more minutes against all these blowouts-over-cupcakes whether he’d be closer to the serviceable Reiber we saw last year rather than the hesitant train wreck he is this year.

WHEN he is relied upon (and this WILL happen due to depth) at some point in Big10 play, well, let’s just hope you’re right (ie, him getting some more time won’t matter).

Btw - thanks for responding to what I actually posted

You’re welcome. I responded that way every time in my mind,really don’t get why you’re being so defensive - as you say, we agree on a lot of points. We just don’t agree that giving him Minutes now will benefit the team immediately or in the long run. That’s all - not a big deal.

 

[RedTeam1994]

You’re welcome. I responded that way every time in my mind,really don’t get why you’re being so defensive - as you say, we agree on a lot of points. We just don’t agree that giving him Minutes now will benefit the team immediately or in the long run. That’s all - not a big deal.

Lastly I’ll say two more thing (1) I totally get why pike is giving woolfolk the minutes. Not only is he better but as a frosh he probably needs the minutes more for his development

(2) I think this is also the result of the whole NET thing. Pike realizes that you can’t just beat the cupcakes - you need to POUND them. Pikes substitution patterns are drastically different this year. Last year (particularly early on) he was giving backups WAY TOO MUCH time. This year he has gone with a smaller lineup and only puts in the bench with a few minutes left. It’s smart and the approach is working (blowout wins are helping our NET - you gotta play the game as it’s designed). The result is that the likes of miller and Reiber are getting far less minutes than they would have in prior seasons.

…Yet I still wonder if Reiber would be
looking more like a serviceable bench guy (like he looked last year) if he got just a little more time to work off the rust (or whatever has caused him to regress). At this point we’ll never know ;)

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Lastly I’ll say two more thing (1) I totally get why pike is giving woolfolk the minutes. Not only is he better but as a frosh he probably needs the minutes more for his development

(2) I think this is also the result of the whole NET thing. Pike realizes that you can’t just beat the cupcakes - you need to POUND them. Pikes substitution patterns are drastically different this year. Last year (particularly early on) he was giving backups WAY TOO MUCH time. This year he has gone with a smaller lineup and only puts in the bench with a few minutes left. It’s smart and the approach is working (blowout wins are helping our NET - you gotta play the game as it’s designed). The result is that the likes of miller and Reiber are getting far less minutes than the would have in prior seasons.

The NET thing is ridiculous. Only a matter of time before some team takes offense to an ass whooping and a starter gets hurt.

 

[RedChucken123]

Reiber is just not getting used right. He’s more of a forward than a center. The problem is Mawot and Aundre are eating those minutes. If he got minutes at the 4, his role would make more sense.

 

[rubaseball78]

Reiber is just not getting used right. He’s more of a forward than a center. The problem is Mawot and Aundre are eating those minutes. If he got minutes at the 4, his role would make more sense.

Reiber doesn't have the athleticism to play the 4.

 

[Degaz-RU]

Reiber is just not getting used right. He’s more of a forward than a center. The problem is Mawot and Aundre are eating those minutes. If he got minutes at the 4, his role would make more sense.

But in today’s college game — especially in Pike’s system — he’s struggling even as a 4 because of his slow rotations and close outs on the wing.

What he is, is a “tweener” who doesn’t seem to have a true position at the P6 level. I’d love for him to stay and provide depth as a deep reserve, but he would probably be better served transferring down to a mid major.

 

[ru-baby]

Differnt skillsets. The either or thought process is off. Zapp is rigjt - will be needed at some pt which is why a minutes needed. Not a need to denigrate any player

 

[billgumpper]

Like woolfolk but dean deserves minutes too. Would help get ready for b 10

Reiber is not a big 10 caliber player and should transfer after this year. He has been recruited over.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Reiber is not a big 10 caliber player and should transfer after this year. He has been recruited over.

Yep, the same could be said of a few posters on the RT.

 

[zappaa]

Reiber is not a big 10 caliber player and should transfer after this year. He has been recruited over.

Gonna snap shot this and bring it back after a 10 point 15 minute out of necessity performance by Dean contributing to a W….😊

 

[Saint Puppy]

Reiber is minutes and fouls at this points - which you do need at times at the end of the bench. Wolf has an edge to him and is strong - he's been playing better and ceiling is higher. I'm not going to say Reiber is not a B1G player - but if he wants minutes then this is not the right place for him.

 

[RUBlackout7]

Reiber is not a big 10 caliber player and should transfer after this year. He has been recruited over.

This. Kid is stiff, goofy, and lacks the athleticism needed at this level. Idk why people obsess over him.

 

[carmenst]

Really impressed with Wolf’s footwork, overall play and feel he is very deserving of his minutes. I have a feeling we will need Dean this week though, as we may get into foul trouble.

 

[billgumpper]

Yep, the same could be said of a few posters on the RT.

Are you outing yourself.

 

[billgumpper]

Gonna snap shot this and bring it back after a 10 point 15 minute out of necessity performance by Dean contributing to a W….😊

Go ahead, he can't even contribute consistently against the cup cakes, same goes for Miller and Oscar.

 

[MiloTalon13]

This. Kid is stiff, goofy, and lacks the athleticism needed at this level. Idk why people obsess over him.

I was at the Penn State game last year when Cliff got into foul trouble and Dean came in. He caught an alley-oop dunk and hit a 3. He looked confident and energized.
I haven't seen anything resembling that since.
I'm pretty sure if he was playing like that in practice on a regular basis, he'd be getting more minutes.

 

[zappaa]

Go ahead, he can't even contribute consistently against the cup cakes, same goes for Miller and Oscar.

I said after.

 

[ImBadRU]

Wolf Jason great hands

 

[PaKnight]

Reiber is just not getting used right. He’s more of a forward than a center. The problem is Mawot and Aundre are eating those minutes. If he got minutes at the 4, his role would make more sense.

Not really, he does not handle the ball or defend well enough at the 4. Last year he got free looks for three pointers playing center since the opposing center stayed inside. He won’t get those playing the 4.