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Rutgers and C. Vivian Stringer Agree to Extend Contract Through 2026

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Not trying, just saying despite the doom and gloom from the defections and graduations, the results aren't in and until they are, no one really can say what next season will be like.
We can only go by our positive or negative attitudes when contemplating what the future holds.
 
Not doom and gloom just realistic. When your star, best player quits and leaves the program for another one and is followed by a potential star and high school player of the year in her state that clearly is a sign of something is seriously wrong. If it wasn’t they would still be here. All I ask is the answer why? That would tell me if CVS should stay or leave. If she keeps recruiting stars like Diamond and Zippy and they leave, what good is it?
 
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Not trying, just saying despite the doom and gloom from the defections and graduations, the results aren't in and until they are, no one really can say what next season will be like.
We can only go by our positive or negative attitudes when contemplating what the future holds.
Not talking about the future. Speaking of the present & seeing a young great player leave the program, along with 2 other good ones.
 
The results of the last ten years speak loudly and clearly to me. We reached the second round of the NCAAs in 2014-15. Three times, we lost in the first round. That's it. Anyone happy with that level of result? Seriously? Our program should be better. This is not the men's program that stunk for decades. Stringer did GREAT here from 1997 to 2007. The results since then have been disappointing IMO. I hope I am wrong but do not expect to see us in the Sweet 16 again in her tenure, and maybe not even in the 2nd round. Convince me I am wrong.
 
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This list of articles is what I was referring to when mentioning the lack of coverage of the women program. And this is just dating back to March (when Mr. C.N. started covering the women's bball team down the stretch of the season). Compared to the guys, I counted something like 80+ articles for the men's team compared to eight for the women. From my recollection, that ratio gets even worse dating back prior to March.
https://rutgers.rivals.com/more_news/content/basketball

If the RU fan site wont't cover it's own team, you can't blame small crowd size on the coach, because your lack of publicizing your own team is a major factor in it. School has to continue to spruce up the RAC also. Looks very much like it did when the Nets played there.
The Rutgers women’s BB team only in the early years of Stringer drew large / larger crowds . The product on the floor has been mediocre and lifeless for several years.Just based upon the number of highly rated players who have left speaks volumes. Tell us what conference or NCAA tournaments we have won since entry into this conference. The key thing (if she stays ) is a change in her coaching philosophy: the same philosophy Chaney had and failed at in the end. If Stringer wants to coach at age 80 Rutgers will be good with that. She’ll be 77-78 at the end of this contract extension I pray I’m way wrong and she wins some actual titles.
 
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The results of the last ten years speak loudly and clearly to me. We reached the second round of the NCAAs in 2014-15. Three times, we lost in the first round. That's it. Anyone happy with that level of result? Seriously? Our program should be better. This is not the men's program that stunk for decades. Stringer did GREAT here from 1997 to 2007. The results since then have been disappointing IMO. I hope I am wrong but do not expect to see us in the Sweet 16 again in her tenure, and maybe not even in the 2nd round. Convince me I am wrong.
Clear sign that the program is not what it used to be is that none of her younger or more recent graduates are on her staff. This was CVIV's legacy and road map for success. Prior generations teaching the younger generation the method to the madness. Look at many of the successful programs, they have a mix of young and old on their bench. CVIV had that in years past. Now it's just old and old. Something has changed.
 
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Not trying, just saying despite the doom and gloom from the defections and graduations, the results aren't in and until they are, no one really can say what next season will be like.
We can only go by our positive or negative attitudes when contemplating what the future holds.

Optimism is great but there are several massive red flags here. I think people have a right to be concerned about the program. She was completely out coached the final two games of the season. It was humiliating how she was essentially cut down in what amounted to the two most important games of the season. That to me speaks volumes to where this is headed.
 
That's a good point that a young person on the staff that may relate better to the younger generation is a huge plus. I'm not so sure that Coach Domond can't handle that role. You don't have to be 20 or 30 yrs old to stay in tune to the younger culture. Good educators do just that into their 60s.

Your point of being able to relate, is so valid and pertinent to the way this season played out. Something went on this season that affected the team in a bad way down the stretch. I even remember CVS mentioning some concerns during one of the press conferences. I'm sure she leans on her staff to help keep her connected to the ways of our younger generation.

As we know, CVS has so many in her "coaching tree", I think its called. I'm sure she's proud of her youngsters branching out on their own to pursue opportunities. Ronald Hughey, Tasha Pointer, Chelsey Newton, Courtney Locke, and so many more.
 
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That's a good point that a young person on the staff that may relate better to the younger generation is a huge plus. I'm not so sure that Coach Domond can't handle that role. You don't have to be 20 or 30 yrs old to stay in tune to the younger culture. Good educators do just that into their 60s.

Your point is so valid and pertinent to the way this season played out. Something went on this season that affected the team in a bad way down the stretch. I even remember CVS mentioning some concerns during one of the press conferences. I'm sure she leans on her staff to help keep her connected to the ways of our younger generation.

As we know, CVS has so many in her "coaching tree", I think its called. I'm sure she's proud of her youngsters branching out on their own to pursue opportunities. Ronald Hughey, Tasha Pointer, Chelsey Newton, Courtney Locke, and so many more.
Don't remember Courtney coaching at Rutgers? But to my point something happened going back to 2015-16 when she lost many of her assistants with playing ties to Rutgers. I have heard rumors but nothing validated.
 
Don't remember Courtney coaching at Rutgers? But to my point something happened going back to 2015-16 when she lost many of her assistants with playing ties to Rutgers. I have heard rumors but nothing validated.
Wasn't implying that Courtney coached at RU. Just pointing out that those who would be likely candidates to be the latest version of the young assistant on CVS' staff are taking advantage of opportunities where they come and that may also be more convenient with their life plans.
 
She has Hobbs backed into a corner and he cannot get rid of her unfortumatly; this team has done nothing in 10 years and nothing is going to change going forward what a shame
I heard that used the UConn assistant opening to force Hobbs hand.
 
Wasn't implying that Courtney coached at RU. Just pointing out that those who would be likely candidates to be the latest version of the young assistant on CVS' staff are taking advantage of opportunities where they come and that may also be more convenient with their life plans.
Understood. But coaching tree implies "coached" under or with.
 
I don't get it. Particularly the length of the contract. Just reinforces that she has no intention of retiring gracefully.

Tim Eatman appears to be doing much of the in game coaching at this point.

With regard to her daughter, shouldn't she have accumulated enough money at this point to provide for her for the rest of her life?
 
I don't get it. Particularly the length of the contract. Just reinforces that she has no intention of retiring gracefully.

Tim Eatman appears to be doing much of the in game coaching at this point.

With regard to her daughter, shouldn't she have accumulated enough money at this point to provide for her for the rest of her life?
I don't believe CVS' daughter has anything to with her desire to keep coaching.
I do believe her competitive spirit has everything to do with her wanting to keep on being
the RU WBB HC ( this is an opinion of mine without any proof to back it up)

As for length, I'm not thrilled with it and am of the opinion it might show Hobbs knows the program isn't going to get the type of funding it needs to be a top program and like years past, Stringer's name and respect earned throughout her career will be what makes RU WBB a program that will bring in talent , has the so called basketball experts think that the team will remain a winner and play in a way that earns NCAA bids.
I truly feel , likle under other ADs, WBB will be an afterthought and Hobbs feels he needs Vivian to keep the program from hitting bottom because he won't get the funds to bring in a quality replacement .

Many will say , give the replacement what CVS makes and all good.
But RU works in mysterious ways and will hire on the cheap when replacing a HC that was earning good money.Usually hiring on the cheap doesn't work out for Rutgers( that's another opinion of mine)

I would have wished C.Vivian Stringer's extension had a mutual option after 2 years, which if Vivian or RU didn't pick up 1/2 of remaining years salary would be paid and if Stringer stays then after 3rd and 4th year with low buyout ( 1/4 of salary remaining )

I belive CVS can make Rutgers back into the force it once was, but if not by the 3rd year of this contract RU needed to be able to let her go without taking a financial hit that might hurt the ability to hiire quality and not be forced into a long shot gamble.
 
I don't believe CVS' daughter has anything to with her desire to keep coaching.
I do believe her competitive spirit has everything to do with her wanting to keep on being
the RU WBB HC ( this is an opinion of mine without any proof to back it up)

As for length, I'm not thrilled with it and am of the opinion it might show Hobbs knows the program isn't going to get the type of funding it needs to be a top program and like years past, Stringer's name and respect earned throughout her career will be what makes RU WBB a program that will bring in talent , has the so called basketball experts think that the team will remain a winner and play in a way that earns NCAA bids.
I truly feel , likle under other ADs, WBB will be an afterthought and Hobbs feels he needs Vivian to keep the program from hitting bottom because he won't get the funds to bring in a quality replacement .

Many will say , give the replacement what CVS makes and all good.
But RU works in mysterious ways and will hire on the cheap when replacing a HC that was earning good money.Usually hiring on the cheap doesn't work out for Rutgers( that's another opinion of mine)

I would have wished C.Vivian Stringer's extension had a mutual option after 2 years, which if Vivian or RU didn't pick up 1/2 of remaining years salary would be paid and if Stringer stays then after 3rd and 4th year with low buyout ( 1/4 of salary remaining )

I belive CVS can make Rutgers back into the force it once was, but if not by the 3rd year of this contract RU needed to be able to let her go without taking a financial hit that might hurt the ability to hiire quality and not be forced into a long shot gamble.
Not sure I understand your funding reference. CVS is not coming at a discount. The WBB program also does not need funding for new facilities etc.. that was taken care of with the APC. So I do not think funding is the issue. RU WBB will be a destination if and when the job opens. You do have to respect the Stringer name but the longer her career continues the less that name will mean. I am not sure she has the level of respect from many coaches and basketball insiders as she used to...
 
I don't believe CVS' daughter has anything to with her desire to keep coaching.
I do believe her competitive spirit has everything to do with her wanting to keep on being
the RU WBB HC ( this is an opinion of mine without any proof to back it up)

As for length, I'm not thrilled with it and am of the opinion it might show Hobbs knows the program isn't going to get the type of funding it needs to be a top program and like years past, Stringer's name and respect earned throughout her career will be what makes RU WBB a program that will bring in talent , has the so called basketball experts think that the team will remain a winner and play in a way that earns NCAA bids.
I truly feel , likle under other ADs, WBB will be an afterthought and Hobbs feels he needs Vivian to keep the program from hitting bottom because he won't get the funds to bring in a quality replacement .

Many will say , give the replacement what CVS makes and all good.
But RU works in mysterious ways and will hire on the cheap when replacing a HC that was earning good money.Usually hiring on the cheap doesn't work out for Rutgers( that's another opinion of mine)

I would have wished C.Vivian Stringer's extension had a mutual option after 2 years, which if Vivian or RU didn't pick up 1/2 of remaining years salary would be paid and if Stringer stays then after 3rd and 4th year with low buyout ( 1/4 of salary remaining )

I belive CVS can make Rutgers back into the force it once was, but if not by the 3rd year of this contract RU needed to be able to let her go without taking a financial hit that might hurt the ability to hiire quality and not be forced into a long shot gamble.
We just invested a substantial amount of money into the performance center that was focused around hoops. We also just extended her for fair market value. We will also receive substantially more cash on an annual basis from the conference. Funding is not an issue for this program no matter how u spin it.

Hobbs has been tasked with hiring a half dozen new coaches and most if not all have been a tremendous upgrade to the status quo. None have been on the cheap either as you’re stating. If Hobbs has excelled in any one area it’s been this. He methodically taken his time to hire top notch talent to run our programs. I have no doubt he would hire an excellent candidate to replace CVS.

Please elaborate on what you’ve seen the last two seasons that gives you any reason to believe we will return “to the force we were.” Transfer portal is not a reason.
 
You do have to respect the Stringer name but the longer her career continues the less that name will mean. I am not sure she has the level of respect from many coaches and basketball insiders as she used to...
All I know is, coaches respect her when she has talent equal to theirs. She often beats them when that is the case. For example, the Mich, OSU, Mich St., NWesterns. Our talent level has been equal to those schools lately, and we do quite well against them, I would say. When we had equal depth to Md. a couple of years ago, we beat them at Md.

I would say that the elites don't fear her recruiting these days and were just as surprised as us to see the class of last year. ............They see that she hasn't sustained that level of recruiting. Believe me, they respect her coaching, they have oftentimes not feared the talent level. Ability to raise the talent level, with the new facilities will be the deciding factor of stay or go.
 
All I know is, coaches respect her when she has talent equal to theirs. She often beats them when that is the case. For example, the Mich, OSU, Mich St., NWesterns. Our talent level has been equal to those schools lately, and we do quite well against them, I would say. When we had equal depth to Md. a couple of years ago, we beat them at Md.

I would say that the elites don't fear her recruiting these days and were just as surprised as us to see the class of last year. ............They see that she hasn't sustained that level of recruiting. Believe me, they respect her coaching, they have oftentimes not feared the talent level. Ability to raise the talent level, with the new facilities will be the deciding factor of stay or go.
You said exactly what I said but used more words. She is not feared. Those are not the schools RU should be compared to at this point in a hall of fame career. If CVIV wants to remain coach she should be competing with the elite schools in the country, otherwise move on. The talent was there this year to go much further. They did not manage the locker room nor coach very well this year. Diamond should have been treasured and utilized instead they allowed some to play keep away with her and admonish her at will.
 
You said exactly what I said but used more words. She is not feared. Those are not the schools RU should be compared to at this point in a hall of fame career. If CVIV wants to remain coach she should be competing with the elite schools in the country, otherwise move on. The talent was there this year to go much further. They did not manage the locker room nor coach very well this year. Diamond should have been treasured and utilized instead they allowed some to play keep away with her and admonish her at will.
Reread my post, because we are not even close to saying the same thing.
 
We just invested a substantial amount of money into the performance center that was focused around hoops. We also just extended her for fair market value. We will also receive substantially more cash on an annual basis from the conference. Funding is not an issue for this program no matter how u spin it.

Hobbs has been tasked with hiring a half dozen new coaches and most if not all have been a tremendous upgrade to the status quo. None have been on the cheap either as you’re stating. If Hobbs has excelled in any one area it’s been this. He methodically taken his time to hire top notch talent to run our programs. I have no doubt he would hire an excellent candidate to replace CVS.

Please elaborate on what you’ve seen the last two seasons that gives you any reason to believe we will return “to the force we were.” Transfer portal is not a reason.
I truly believe that RU's financial situation sports wise has taken a hit and though what you point out is a plus,the BOG will be looking to cut back a bit until they feel the revenue needed to sustain all sports starts picking up.
Hobbs was doing a great job, but COVID 19 showed up hurting sports revenue and money will be more tight for awhile, shades of years gone by when hiring on the cheap was the hiring process.
 
Reread my post, because we are not even close to saying the same thing.
I guess your definition of respected vs feared are different then mine. Her name is respected but not feared any more. But again a hall of famer extending her career should be in national championship type conversations not being happy competing with Northwestern and MSU.
 
I guess your definition of respected vs feared are different then mine. Her name is respected but not feared any more. But again a hall of famer extending her career should be in national championship type conversations not being happy competing with Northwestern and MSU.
I said they do respect her coaching but haven't fear her player talent level. That's in no way close to what you are saying.
I would say that the elites don't fear her recruiting these days and were just as surprised as us to see the class of last year. ............They see that she hasn't sustained that level of recruiting. Believe me, they respect her coaching, they have oftentimes not feared the talent level.
It's OK. You're just missing my point altogether.
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I said they do respect her coaching but haven't fear her player talent level. That's in no way close to what you are saying.

It's OK. You're just missing my point altogether.
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Her job is to recruit and coach at an elite level. Coaches respect her name but do not fear her coaching style and definitely do not fear her on the recruiting battles. If the athletic department is happy with competing with MSU and Northwetern then she deserves the extension. The goal should not be to compete with middle of the road teams. This should be an elite program and be restored to that level and I am not sure she has that juice or coaching style to make it happen. I have not seen the bench outcoach many in years. And I say bench because I do not think she has been the in game coach in 2-3 years.
 
High school recruits were three years-old the last time RU went to the Final Four. High school kids have no idea Rutgers used to be a good program. The general public doesn’t either. I am sure there are still some fans at Stephen F. Austin and Louisiana Tech who are still waiting for the good old days too. The difference is we are in the Big Ten, have great brand new facilities, have plenty of instate players, and are on National TV constantly. Give it one more try with Coach Stringer, but clean house with the assistants and bring in New Jersey coaches, change the style of play, promote the program, and most importantly admit that 14 years of doing the same things over and over that don’t work has to end.
 
I truly believe that RU's financial situation sports wise has taken a hit and though what you point out is a plus,the BOG will be looking to cut back a bit until they feel the revenue needed to sustain all sports starts picking up.
Hobbs was doing a great job, but COVID 19 showed up hurting sports revenue and money will be more tight for awhile, shades of years gone by when hiring on the cheap was the hiring process.

There is not a stich of truth to back this up whatsoever. No where has it been stated that the athletic department would be facing significant financial questions. Four coaches took pay cuts in the Spring of 2020 and that was the last we heard of financial restraint.

The use of COVID-19 as a convenient crutch has become all too common as a way to mask or deflect poor decision making. I'm more interested in hearing what you've seen from this team and CVS that leads you to believe that we'll return to the glory days?
 
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What really is funny about all this ? NJ.com is stating the same things many on here have been questioning about CViv for several years . Her willingness to change up the program. New assistants, new direction in her philosophy on what it takes to be a Top 10 program in today’s college world. She can thumb her nose at everyone now as she just hit pay-dirt or she can revitalize the fan base. The entire fan base not just a specific group of altar worshippers. One thing that is correct we have the facilities , the conference and if we can KEEP the players maybe we can recoup some of the past glory.
 
There is not a stich of truth to back this up whatsoever. No where has it been stated that the athletic department would be facing significant financial questions. Four coaches took pay cuts in the Spring of 2020 and that was the last we heard of financial restraint.

The use of COVID-19 as a convenient crutch has become all too common as a way to mask or deflect poor decision making. I'm more interested in hearing what you've seen from this team and CVS that leads you to believe that we'll return to the glory days?
I said :" I truly believe that RU's financial situation sports wise has taken a hit"
You seem to say I'm lying by saying that, but seem to think coaches taking pay cuts isn't a sign of financial trouble
In my opinion you're not stating facts but like I did: stating an opinion.
I my case I tried to convey what I was saying was an opinion.
If you took what I said as my claiming financial trouble was a fact, my apologies for not wording my opinion in a way that my stating RU sports was having some financial difficulty because of COVID 19 was my opinion without proof to back that statement up.

You seem to be claiming I can't find proof, so here it is:
Rutgers’ 2020 fiscal year report shows the athletics program had a $28.5 million shortfall that was made up by $11.86 million in university support, $12.65 million in student fees and $3.99 million in state support. In addition, Rutgers reported $20 million in “other operating revenue,” a line-item figure that requires payback because of an internal loan that covers Big Ten transition costs.

It also shows a $10.6 million gap between what Rutgers spent and its total operating revenues ($103.6 million), which means the athletics deficit for the most recent fiscal year totals $39.1 million.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...-in-last-2-years-university-wont-say-why.html

Edit: that was the 2020 financial report (I belive) the 2021 fiscal year will have less revenue and more debt.
But until the 2021 fiscal year report comes out, it is my opinion being stated and not my stating a worse financial year is a proven fact.
 
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I said :" I truly believe that RU's financial situation sports wise has taken a hit"
You seem to say I'm lying by saying that, but seem to think coaches taking pay cuts isn't a sign of financial trouble
In my opinion you're not stating facts but like I did: stating an opinion.
I my case I tried to convey what I was saying was an opinion.
If you took what I said as my claiming financial trouble was a fact, my apologies for not wording my opinion in a way that my stating RU sports was having some financial difficulty because of COVID 19 was my opinion without proof to back that statement up.

You seem to be claiming I can't find proof, so here it is:
Rutgers’ 2020 fiscal year report shows the athletics program had a $28.5 million shortfall that was made up by $11.86 million in university support, $12.65 million in student fees and $3.99 million in state support. In addition, Rutgers reported $20 million in “other operating revenue,” a line-item figure that requires payback because of an internal loan that covers Big Ten transition costs.

It also shows a $10.6 million gap between what Rutgers spent and its total operating revenues ($103.6 million), which means the athletics deficit for the most recent fiscal year totals $39.1 million.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...-in-last-2-years-university-wont-say-why.html

Edit: that was the 2020 financial report (I belive) the 2021 fiscal year will have less revenue and more debt.
But until the 2021 fiscal year report comes out, it is my opinion being stated and not my stating a worse financial year is a proven fact.
It’s not surprising the AD is running a deficit. What impact has this actually had on decision making around the dept.? I would think that if we’re pinching pennies then our president would be doing everything in his power to lobby for increased attendance and gate revenue. He would be promoting max attendance at the spring game. And the list goes on. Yet here we are with head scratching attendence policies.
The carpet doesn’t match the drapes.

Regardless, Hobbs was in a no win spot here. Moving on to 21-22.
 
9 wins in a row 3rd place in the Big Ten not enough for some people. Acting like we got outclasses in the tournaments ... no - we ran into a buzz saw with Gabby Marshall against Iowa, RU wins that game 9 out of 10 times. And then BYU a 12 point lead in the third and all of a sudden the players can't buy a single bucket inside or outside including Arella. And now we want her fired. You are all unstable and undeserving of the Rutgers basketball program
 
9 wins in a row 3rd place in the Big Ten not enough for some people. Acting like we got outclasses in the tournaments ... no - we ran into a buzz saw with Gabby Marshall against Iowa, RU wins that game 9 out of 10 times. And then BYU a 12 point lead in the third and all of a sudden the players can't buy a single bucket inside or outside including Arella. And now we want her fired. You are all unstable and undeserving of the Rutgers basketball program
Bravo! A short, and concise perfect point.
 
9 wins in a row 3rd place in the Big Ten not enough for some people. Acting like we got outclasses in the tournaments ... no - we ran into a buzz saw with Gabby Marshall against Iowa, RU wins that game 9 out of 10 times. And then BYU a 12 point lead in the third and all of a sudden the players can't buy a single bucket inside or outside including Arella. And now we want her fired. You are all unstable and undeserving of the Rutgers basketball program
We didn’t run into a buzz saw we left a girl absolutely wide open time after time and not one defensive adjustment was made; if someone like that is having a hot shooting game than you put someone in her face and we didn’t do that that’s the epitome of poor coaching and that’s what we are going to get get going forward!!
 
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