If I understand his argument, he is saying that you have to discount Athan's stats because that same year one of his wide receivers was ranked in the top 100 statistically, and GW didn't have a top 100 receiver. That's circular logic and that statement by itself means nothing. That's like saying Mike Teel wasn't that good because he had two 1,000 yard receivers to throw to. Those two receivers don't get 1k yards each if Teel isn't good.
Ok Mr. “Qb Eyes”. Guess your vision is better than all the college coaches that offered Gavin, Elite 11 evaluators, Greg, Sean, Kirk and opposing BIG coaches. Your mystic powers from the 1960s knows when they see a “real” qb and bygoneit you see it now with a qb that ran away from comp at a fellow BIG school to come and save the position for good ‘Ole RU.
Sure, he was a top recruit but a clear bust as a college QB. How can you overlook his being THE lowest rated FBS passer ?
He started every game. They're bringing in who they could get, and it sounds like a good one, a little bit after 2 QB's entered the portal. What really happened I have no idea.
How can you be so blinded by the fact that RU had one of the lowest performing wr corp in the BIG and don’t get me started on the TE position [nothing worth mentioning]? If Gavin has 4-5 completions more per game he’s in the 53-55 % range. Are you the. still bitching about Gavin being a bust? Probably since you’re complaining about the 2,232 yds that Gavin accomplished with a RU team that just won its bowl game and finished over .500 for the first time in a decade.
He went 7-15 for 80 yards no TD's and a pick vs Iowa. Which was the 3rd game after PSU. Game before Iowa he was 7-13 for 64 yards, no td's. So I'm not seeing progressive improvement.
He’s the reason the WRs were nearly useless.
Definitely agree we will still be run heavy. But if we get better play out of the position, we will be less run heavy then we were this season. Pretty confident in that.
Yea we’d all hope for better from the portal but this is as far as GS would go without jeopardizing GW’s predetermined QB1 promise. It doesn’t move the needle much, but it’s better than nothing
Except that same small and weak WR housed a long TD vs Michigan.🤔 Dremel is just fine as slot receiver…especially if you don’t have a dangerous pass catching TE.The WRs are often ranked by yards in a game.
For good WRs those yards come on long passes and yards after the catch.
RU has minimal deep passing and not many yards after a catch.
RU's best WR (500 yds 3 TDs) often falls down after a catch or gets brought down quick.
These are the "little things" people often miss in RU passing
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No contested receptions or YACs from small/weak WRs
And isn't interesting that when we hit that WR in stride he was able to crease the defense as opposed to being forced to throttle down, leap, reach back, etc., which often robbed him of his advantage.
Perfect throw, catch and run vs. Michigan. Dremel is more quick than fast but if he has an opening he sure seems tough for DB’s to turn and catch from behind.
Dremmel has good hands and being a petite WR is an advantage in some areas of the zone/field. A starter will always have some assorted flash plays (and Wimsatt had an 80 yd TD run). I like Dremmel for what he is - a possession/slot receiver. Gavin like his going to Dremmel across the field where he can see him (he cant see him long) for modest yards. After September Dremmel had 0 TDs.
Alas he cant work long and he's lint to B1G DBs as far as contested throws go. Deep balls are about speed and contested throws. If a WR cant outrun a DB he better be ready to fight/leap for catches and RU just cant do that consistently. D3 is full of little guys with hands.
Imagine being a top QB in the portal and seeing RU's top WR is undersized and has total of 500 yds and 3 TDs in 5 years. Nobody good is coming for that. Truth is that despite interesting stats and such, RU and Minnesota's passing games are both weak bottom dwellers. Debating over them is like picking the best swimmer between two jellyfish near the Titanic.
My view of Wimst was that he was raw but young and with ability. First time I saw his HS tape I saw how good a runner he was. The first video of him throwing in practice I saw how rough his passing was (I was pounced on for saying that at the time). At RU he isn't used running as much as he could be, and thats typical GS who really doesn't like QBs running too much aside from scrambles. Wimst will have acres of open field before him on a failing pass play and yet he wont scoot (not his fault). I think he probably better next year and could even surprise people (spesh if GS taks the electric collar off)
Passing Offense = Tweedledum Vs Tweedledee
Most of us pray that you are right, but I am concerned that Schiano prefers the low risk playcalling mix we saw this year and will have GW do the same next year.
Dremmel has good hands and being a petite WR is an advantage in some areas of the zone/field. A starter will always have some assorted flash plays (and Wimsatt had an 80 yd TD run). I like Dremmel for what he is - a possession/slot receiver. Gavin like his going to Dremmel across the field where he can see him (he cant see him long) for modest yards. After September Dremmel had 0 TDs.
Alas he cant work long and he's lint to B1G DBs as far as contested throws go. Deep balls are about speed and contested throws. If a WR cant outrun a DB he better be ready to fight/leap for catches and RU just cant do that consistently. D3 is full of little guys with hands.
Imagine being a top QB in the portal and seeing RU's top WR is undersized and has total of 500 yds and 3 TDs in 5 years. Nobody good is coming for that. Truth is that despite interesting stats and such, RU and Minnesota's passing games are both weak bottom dwellers. Debating over them is like picking the best swimmer between two jellyfish near the Titanic.
My view of Wimst was that he was raw but young and with ability. First time I saw his HS tape I saw how good a runner he was. The first video of him throwing in practice I saw how rough his passing was (I was pounced on for saying that at the time). At RU he isn't used running as much as he could be, and thats typical GS who really doesn't like QBs running too much aside from scrambles. Wimst will have acres of open field before him on a failing pass play and yet he wont scoot (not his fault). I think he probably better next year and could even surprise people (spesh if GS taks the electric collar off)
Passing Offense = Tweedledum Vs Tweedledee
The last really good QB we had was Teel (he got drafted late and made a roster even if he never played). He threw for over 8.5k yards in three seasons with multiple 1,000+ yard receivers.
Just looking at Schiano version 1, looking at 2005 and beyond (when he actually had the team built), it's clear that this ultra conservative, allergic to the passing game, play calling is an anomaly compared to most of GS's career at RU. What could be accounting for that, I wonder?
I mean Langan did have a 166.8 rating in 2021 while completing 66.67% of his passes.
What’s your opinion of AJ Surace after the first year? Will he be the starter the following year?Dremmel has good hands and being a petite WR is an advantage in some areas of the zone/field. A starter will always have some assorted flash plays (and Wimsatt had an 80 yd TD run). I like Dremmel for what he is - a possession/slot receiver. Gavin like his going to Dremmel across the field where he can see him (he cant see him long) for modest yards. After September Dremmel had 0 TDs.
Alas he cant work long and he's lint to B1G DBs as far as contested throws go. Deep balls are about speed and contested throws. If a WR cant outrun a DB he better be ready to fight/leap for catches and RU just cant do that consistently. D3 is full of little guys with hands.
Imagine being a top QB in the portal and seeing RU's top WR is undersized and has total of 500 yds and 3 TDs in 5 years. Nobody good is coming for that. Truth is that despite interesting stats and such, RU and Minnesota's passing games are both weak bottom dwellers. Debating over them is like picking the best swimmer between two jellyfish near the Titanic.
My view of Wimst was that he was raw but young and with ability. First time I saw his HS tape I saw how good a runner he was. The first video of him throwing in practice I saw how rough his passing was (I was pounced on for saying that at the time). At RU he isn't used running as much as he could be, and thats typical GS who really doesn't like QBs running too much aside from scrambles. Wimst will have acres of open field before him on a failing pass play and yet he wont scoot (not his fault). I think he probably better next year and could even surprise people (spesh if GS taks the electric collar off)
Passing Offense = Tweedledum Vs Tweedledee
Fair. But the NFL WRs and TE don't account for every year. But don't you agree that it's fair to conclude from that that GS isn't some uber conservative, run only, play caller, and that this year was more of an anomaly?
Similar stats. In those same games what were the rushing stats (as we know the rushing game opens up the passing game)? Also, what were the defensive stats (as we know, playing from behind tips of the D that a pass is coming)?
I don’t have that much free time 😀. Just presenting facts without add the “adjustments”. I’ll give you another fact. Minnesota was 9-4 in 2022 and RU was 4-8 in 2022.
Agreed. Greg will let it rip when he has the appropriate personnel. I think he’s been on record of saying that he prefers a balanced offense (50/50).
Irrelevant. Last is last. He’s supposed to be better than QBs on those teams. Sure, he faces better defenses than the FAMU QB but he can only be judged according to his results. He’s a terrible passer and they don’t even let him run RPO.
Did you see the OSU qb in the Cotton Bowl?
Not really. Comparing to 15-20 years ago means nothing. People change. The game changes.
Greg wants a balanced everything. Offenses should be reliable machines humming along and not sports cars driven by daredevils. Team Game U
He is so bad that we went from 4-8 to 7-5. We saw bad QB play in the bowl games. If he was as bad as you said, no way we win 7 games.
