This thread is hysterical in so many ways I wonder if @John Otterstedt has had time to amuse himself with it yet?
Rutgers men's soccer...Donigan...
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Yes, it's hysterical that people actually care about the program. People in this thread have been pretty rational in their criticisms. When some of you guy's go after the people criticizing the program, just remember a couple of facts.
Donigan's record here is 47-71-13. His last conference win was November 8, 2015! This for a program that's supposed to be one of our top Olympic sports.
And when you bring up Reasso's name and how he ran the program into the ground just think about what's happening now with lack of wins and players transferring etc. History has a way of repeating itself around here.
Donigan's record here is 47-71-13. His last conference win was November 8, 2015! This for a program that's supposed to be one of our top Olympic sports.
And when you bring up Reasso's name and how he ran the program into the ground just think about what's happening now with lack of wins and players transferring etc. History has a way of repeating itself around here.
1) It’s the people being critical who don’t listen, so we have to rehash the same things over and over and over again, not the other way around. “Caring” is great, hopefully it’s evy we’re ALL here, lol, but this thread is filled with a lot of the same shit over-and-over-and-over again when absolutely NOTHING is going to change until after the 2018 season (if DD doesn’t show A LOT of progress I’d assume). People just refuse to listen to those closer to the answers than they are so they continue the round-n-round. It’s silly.
2) I’ve said 1 million times I’m well aware of the facts, as to where Danny sits right now record wise, and that the program isn’t doing well. That’s never been a question. The problem throughout this thread, again, is that some just don’t want to hear “the facts” as they pertain to how AD Hobbs is REBUILDING this entire athletic department (and doing so the RIGHT way).
Who said “involved”? Nothing wrong, as such, with the thread. I’m just curious if he’s read it for a good laugh or not that’s all.
Relying on donations to subsidize coaches salaries seems shaky at best. Athletic departments have budgets and large staffs of professionals with financial management as well as athletic backgrounds. They should be able to manage a budget which, yes, in part is made up of donor contributions, but to say that a coaching move is so heavily connected to donations seems like a false kind of equation.
Yeah. And the absurdity of this thread is simply a reflection of the absurdity of the Donigan situation.
There’s nothing “absurd” about it, actually, but you refuse to LISTEN to the facts so THAT is on you my friend.
The first part of what you say was my point. I should have put quotes around absurd. Everyone here listens to facts, some they might not agree with. Not understanding that fact is on you though, my friend.
Disagree...many here listen ONLY to what they want to hear, while ignoring what they don’t, hence NOT on me. I get it...the program NEEDS to be better, SHOULD be better, and CAN be better, I’ve never argued otherwise.
We are on same page I think. Even though I’m critical of how things are, my hope is that somehow Donigan turns things around with these incoming transfers and has a great year. My fear is that it won’t happen and my frustration is that nothing has been done in the past year or so to possibly put things on a better course already.
You don't think it's absurd that we have not won a Big Ten regular season game in two years?
That two of his best players have transferred out over the last 5 years?
That we now have to depend on transfers and foreign players because he cannot recruit NJ?
That in his 8th season, the program is plummeting and he is still employed by RU?
What could Hobbs possibly have in mind when it comes to men's soccer?
What good could possibly come out of keeping Donigan?
This is an embarrassment of gigantic proportions on the field. It is potentially even more damaging from a public relations standpoint given the lack of oversight within the program.
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Another problem with this logic is that you are saying that it is a fact that Hobbs is rebuilding the program the right way, while that is really just an opinion and conjecture at this point. You might like what he is saying his plan is for Soccer but until this plan has taken more shape and there has been some time to measure its success, it is simply not a fact that it is the right way. It also isn’t a fact that it is the wrong way. But the point is that it’s up for legitimate debate on this forum and you can’t just claim some insider knowledge about how things are going to work out as somehow more relevant than some of our critical views about what we see in front of us now. I’m not saying one is right and one is wrong but it is wrong for you to say that others are wrong because they don’t see the big picture when we all can see what is in front of us now and can develop some analysis based on those facts.
You hit the nail on the head.
It is common on all of the boards for posters to throw out some abstract assertion about the "process" or "plan".
Repeated often enough and this process or plan becomes a fact in their "insider" worlds.
Of course Hobbs must have a plan for soccer and it must be something so ingenious that the rest of us could never possibly understand the complexity of it.
Maybe no one cares enough about soccer to make a change. Maybe no one is even paying attention.
Hobbs seems to be far from a moron. I’m just curious about his stated plans for MSOC. I’ve never heard/seen any of his statements about the program and wonder what his vision is given the state of things. It would be great to know.
Yep. Past time for a change. There’s absolutely no buzz or real interest in MSOC in comparison to the other Olympic sports. Unless Donigan improbably works some magic this fall, that situation is just going to get worse.
Man, what a shame. When I was in school in the early 90’s we were so good. Half of my fraternity class was on the team. They were studs. One of my fraternity brothers (Lev Kirshner) is the current Head Coach at San Diego State, I believe. So many good players on those teams, Lalas, Rammel, etc...
What bothers me the most is that I believe the school is obligated to the players who chose to come here to provide at least adequate coaching and that's just not happening and hasn't been for a number of years. I'd even say let the guy go and hire an interim coach, just to show the athletic administration is trying something.
Well the good news is that according to the MSOC twitter feed, the team is working really hard this spring. They have some great shots of them in the weight room looking very ready for next year.
Yup I was there with you those were GREAT teams for sure. Unfortunately the guy who built the program also let it crumble before he left and we’ve been in a hole ever since.
I think Reasso won a Division 3 national soccer championship last year at a college in Ohio if I am not mistaken. It is a shame how bad we are in mens soccer now.
A shame indeed...things have gotten so bad there is not really anywhere else to go but up, hopefully.
Women's lax season ended with a mediocre 7-10 record and very little improvement. Brand Sias is a coach definitely on the hot seat. Although I don't know her contract situation, there are parallels between her and Donigan. I wonder if Hobbs will decide to send her to the unemployment line.
so...what do we want...bottoming out this season to perhaps force a change? isn't his contract up at the end of this season, so that would fit the pattern Hobbs has taken for underperforming olympic sports?
could be there also any credence to hold off this year with the facility upgrades coming for MSOC?
in the end, it's all too bad--RU should be a top shelf program in MSOC...
could be there also any credence to hold off this year with the facility upgrades coming for MSOC?
in the end, it's all too bad--RU should be a top shelf program in MSOC...
Yeah. Root to lose so Hobbs fires him. There's no doubt in my mind he would make a home run hire and men's soccer would be a top team within 2-3 years after.
It’s defintiely put up or shut up time for Donigan. He won’t be given the same latitude with another losing season.
I agree they need to have an above average season or he should definitely be gone!!
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