Basketball Rutgers overwhelmed at No. 18 Purdue with feeble defensive effort
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Yep... lose by 29, but Ace's dunk was ESPN SportsCenter's No. 1 Play of the Day.
While our past defenses have been much better, the fewer points that we gave up was not just good defense, but the pace we wanted to play at. Your defense (number of points given up) is going to look a lot better if you use the entire shot clock on offense.
I've said this before, but factoring in expectations, I'm pretty sure this is the worst Rutgers Basketball season in the 49 years I've been alive. I thought a bad season was going to be making the Sweet Sixteen.
Huh? Go by Ken Pom’s defensive ratings. Nothing to do with PPG. It’s based on number of possessions and several other D variables. Our D in past years has been excellent.
To be clear it is just points per possession adjusted for the opponent. It doesn't use other stats.
I think the Louisville St John’s model might be better. Go after transfers and no high school players. Even talented high school players can’t compare to accomplished 21-22 year olds
Rutgers can't sustain offense with Bailey/Harper only scoring 25 points.
Successful teams like Michigan State and Purdue excel at both ends of the court.Rutgers has been limited to one end of the court holding opponents to less than 70 points but the offense always had long scoring droughts.This season with Bailey and Harper the team has averaged over 76 points a game but the defense stinks allowing 100 points to Purdue and over 80 points in other games.Its mind boggling that Rutgers would have another losing season with Bailey and Harper on the court.
Not for us. We can hold a roster of 15 which allows for some hedging. We’ll never bring in 15 high level transfers. Have to work both ends
No world exists that a team will bring in 15 high level transfers as there will not be enough playing time for everyone. The number could be around 3-5 high level transfers to have a strong rotation of 8-10 players.
Of course not - but we’re actually well positioned for that concern not to be much of a factor. No transfer worth anything is going to be worried about getting beat out by our remaining guys. We’re a bad 14-15 team that would’ve been even worse without two NBA draftees on the roster. Nobody else on the team averages double digits. We can go out and recruit transfers without having to have “the talk” directly with anyone. The spots are there for whoever wants to come back. If we land 4 promising guys from the portal, it’s likely some of the returning guys will decide to leave, but that’s their choice. We should actively be targeting exactly 4 to start which would put us at our allotment until someone says they are leaving. It’s pretty simple.
I am a little concerned we are going to have Jeremiah Williams of all people slotting into a starting spot.
I hope not, but I also think there’s almost no chance we’ll have a roster with 8+ more impactful contributors on it than him if for no other reason than the number of positions he can back up. That doesn’t mean this is the role he would want. So he might very well leave. Same thing with Lathan. If we don’t recruit a defensive BIG the D won’t improve that much. Maybe a little, but not nearly enough to compete. If Lathan doesn’t like us bringing in anothe BIG he could very well decide to leave. It’s a chance we have to take though because if the D isn’t top 50 my money is on us being a basement dweller because the offense is unlikely to be in the top 75 next year. It’s only been so one other time under Pike.
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does he really have another year, needs to move on please
I think he’ll probably move on but, look, if he wants to stay, he could be a positive contributor on a different type of team. I know Cliff and Mag weren’t staying, but this team would look completely different if both of them stayed and the opinion of J Will would be vastly different. I couldn’t help but think about that in the first half when we ran the press effectively early yesterday. If we had Mag we’d be creating a good amount of offense from D off the press. And if we had Cliff we wouldn’t be horrific in the post.
I know these are pointless “ifs” but what I’m trying to say is J Will wasn’t really the problem on this roster. He’s a poor man’s Caleb in the sense that his D isn’t close to as good, he fouls too much, he’s a worse ball handler and passer, and an equally poor scorer. But he is an adequate defender in the sense that he wouldn’t be a liability on a team with other decent defenders - an ok player to back up the 1-3 spots 5-10 min as needed for a net of 15-30 mpg averaging around 22. That should be his role.
to me its another Hyatt here for another year...some good moments but doesnt exactly move the program forward in the way we need to but takes up a roster spot
to me a giant disappointment this season as i looked for leadership. production and consistency..the so called experts on the board said he was a game changer when he was sidelined last year and then had him all Big 10 after a flurry of 4 games before any coach had real game film on him and once they did he was muted the rest of the season
True. The difference now is we have 15 roster spots so managing that is no longer a concern the way it once might’ve been. I don’t think any potential recruit is going to be hung up about the risk J Will would play in cutting their PT.
I don’t think we’ll end up with better depth than what J Will offers so for that reason I’m not against him staying. I certainly am not saying I’d want to put effort of any kind into keeping him at Rutgers at the expense of bringing in new players. I think we have to be realistic though. We’re probably not landing more than 4 transfers that will provide meaningful minutes next season. Ideally we hit on a frosh that ends up starting the way Geo did. 2-3 solid starters that are consistent double digit scorers and a notable upgrade on D. Then 1-2 more contributors who are D focused. If we get this, and some development from the returning players, there could still be room for J Will to get 20ish minutes on a decent team. I guess what I’m saying is I don’t envision us getting more than a few guys who would beat out what he could bring unfortunately. The good news for us is we’ll start out in the portal with a lot to offer in terms of PT. Not one returner with double digit points. Once we bring in the first 2-3 established guys it will get harder to recruit the portal though. A lot harder.
Petition Rivals to do that. We have no control over it. Or buy a premium subscription.
That's a Rivals wide thing, not the decision of the owners of this site specifically?
That's the only way Rivals would allow a board like that on our forum. Same thing has happened on other forums.
Fair enough. I didn't realize that.
It's kind of funny though because the main free football board has a politics thread:
JWill slotted into a starting spot when had Ace/Dylan incoming as 2 of the expected 4 starters (non center division).
If we have 0 of 4 expected starters then I would imagine its a near guarantee JWill is a starter if he returns.
I'd also be prepared for Davis or (can't really bring myself to add "and" to that) Derkack to also be starters.
Who else is going to play?
Unless we're bringing in 3-4 better transfers than JWill, Davis and Derkack.
I wouldn't be entirely shocked if 3 of
JWill, Davis, Derkack, Grant are starters opening next year.
I mean, I might consider premium at some point but if I do it's certainly not going to be for access to the CE board.
We should be in a position to recruit pretty well from the portal. Everyone returning averaged under 8 ppg. Should be an appealing landing spot for a transfer looki long for a starting role to make a statement.
Absolute failure on the part of the coaching staff. Plain and simple.
The D will not be Top 50, especially if we see wholesale roster changes again and the staff has to start back at square one.
I know they are getting one million for Vegas tourney but we really shouldnt be playing in it.
pike couldnt sell the one million to portal players this year...i have heard that the monies were not distributed equally...did ace and dylan get everything as part of the deal to play there
pike couldnt sell the one million to portal players this year...i have heard that the monies were not distributed equally...did ace and dylan get everything as part of the deal to play there
I think the D can be top 50 even in that case, assuming we recruit for defense this time around. As PSAL pointed out, it was #70 in his first year. Exactly zero of those players had any experience with his defense and by god I hope we have more talent next year than we did in 2016-17 or else he should 100% be fired.
Hell, last year's team which was admittedly a disaster for a different reason did not exactly have a ton of continuity and was elite on defense.
I am very slow on the "fire Pike" trigger but if we can't put a top 50 defense out there next season he should be fired.
Who’s playing Defense next year? 😂
Well at least you will finally be right after next years dumpster fire when you say he should be fired!
Tell you what, I’ll make you a friendly bet.
Pike inherited the 236th rated defense from Eddie Jordan and with barely any time in the recruiting cycle delivered the 70th rated D in his first year at Rutgers. He disregarded all that he values to build around what he thought made sense for Dylan and Ace this year. I’m sure he knows it was a mistake. He should’ve trusted his own system.
my money is on him fixing it next year - at least on that side of the ball. The articles on Chris Nwuli suggest he was born to play for Pike. I’m most excited about his arrival TBH of the frosh. I think Dortch will develop into a fine defensive player too.
Talking only D here. We need a center. Ware sounds like a carbon copy of Lathan style wise. I want a bruiser type. That’s an important addition.
