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Rutgers Recruiting

Let's not kid ourselves, Rutgers has been spurned a thousand times over by both the top jersey players and their high school coaches over the years. Rutgers is now looking elsewhere and I can't fault them for it.

I remember those same comments when Rutgers joined the Big East for basketball.....Finally....recruiting will take off. lol

Wake up and smell the coffee...it would take John Calipari and his bags of money to keep top players in state with our current facilities and past performance in basketball, which is known by every area coach........HS and AAU.

If a breakout will come....it will come with out of state players.....that's where the recruiting is focused.
 
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We are the ONLY POWER CONFERENCE TEAM NOW THAT THE BIG EAST SPLIT.

We should be able to outrecruit the Johnnies and Seton Hall. We should be able to outrecruit ****ing LaSalle for god's sake.


we are not outrecruiting Monmouth or Wagner....so pick your poison either the recruiting is bad or the coaching is bad. I lean towards both
 
What I heard directly from one of the top NJ HS coaches confirms what Zags said.

What I heard from someone affiliated with one of top AAU's programs in the country directly contradicts it. And I wouldn't necessarily call this guy I spoke with an Eddie fan either.
 
Nope. NYC guy. Friend of a friend. First time I chatted with him. Has put kids at Cuse, UConn, Kentucky, UNC... Big time guy. Some good stories. Wouldn't call him an Eddie fan, but stated the staff is certainly around as much as any other local program.
 
How possible is it that Zagoria has an agenda and got quotes from a few NJ HS Coaches, that he knew don't have great relationships with Coach Jordan, to support a narrative Zagoria is trying to establish?

I don't know Zagoria so I'm legitimately asking.
 
How possible is it that Zagoria has an agenda and got quotes from a few NJ HS Coaches, that he knew don't have great relationships with Coach Jordan, to support a narrative Zagoria is trying to establish?

I don't know Zagoria so I'm legitimately asking.

Where are the names of those coaches? If those coaches don't have the balls to identify
themselves then they shouldn't make such inflammatory quotes and Zagoria shouldn't publish them. Zagoria looks like he has developed some kind of bias here and it wouldn't be the first time a sportswriter went from being professional to character assassin when it comes to RU sports.
 
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Zags has updated his story with direct quotes from St Anthony's assistant who said that Rutgers is invisible with their team. We don't go to their practices, or have much of a relationship with them. This is sad.
 
Best freshman in the B1G and we play hard?

C'mon.

Who is the best freshman in the Big Ten? Corey Sanders? I haven't kept up with stats but none of these guys are considered better than Sanders at the moment?? Diamond Stone, Thomas Bryant, Deyonta Davis, Jalen Coleman?
 
Danny Hurley at Arizona State (major)
Bobby Hurley at Buffalo (mid major)

Make an appearance or make an occasional phone call, but recruiting St. anthony's hard as a strategy doesn't seem the smartest.
 
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I like the pieces that have been added in the current freshman and sophomore classes, along with the transfers Freeman and Nigel Johnson.

If we go to Florida, Japan or wherever for our recruits, that is fine with me. Although, just to note, we are going hard after Roselle Catholic's Andre Rafus. I could care less if some local high school coaches feel neglected by Eddie's staff.
 
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Zags has updated his story with direct quotes from St Anthony's assistant who said that Rutgers is invisible with their team. We don't go to their practices, or have much of a relationship with them. This is sad.

Is this the same guy who said he did not know who Van Macon was even though he has been on the staff since 2010 and has been recruiting this area for a very long time ?
 
Zags has updated his story with direct quotes from St Anthony's assistant who said that Rutgers is invisible with their team. We don't go to their practices, or have much of a relationship with them. This is sad.

Is this the same guy who said he did not know who Van Macon was even though he has been on the staff since 2010 and has been recruiting this area for a very long time ?
 
Love Ru-Choppin-Ohio going after these know nothing assistants.

Putting the lie to their TALL TALES.
 
Danny Hurley at Arizona State (major)
Bobby Hurley at Buffalo (mid major)

Make an appearance or make an occasional phone call, but recruiting St. anthony's hard as a strategy doesn't seem the smartest.
We have had 8 coaches since Bob Hurley has been at St. Anthony: Tom Young, Craig Littlepage, Bob Wenzel, Kevin Bannon, Gary Waters, Fred Hill, Mike Rice, and Eddie Jordan. We have gotten a grand total of 2 players to come to the state university from there and one was a head case and transferred out and one was a benchwarmer. We even gave Hurley's kid his start in coaching and what did that get us? Hurley has absolutely no time for us and never has so frankly I say the hell with Hurley. Eddie took the job and Hurley undermined him in the newspaper maybe one day after he was hired.
 
Who is the best freshman in the Big Ten? Corey Sanders? I haven't kept up with stats but none of these guys are considered better than Sanders at the moment?? Diamond Stone, Thomas Bryant, Deyonta Davis, Jalen Coleman?
Imo the best freshman in the B1G, at this point in time, is a toss up between Thomas Bryant and Deyonta Davis.
 
Where are the names of those coaches? If those coaches don't have the balls to identify
themselves then they shouldn't make such inflammatory quotes and Zagoria shouldn't publish them. Zagoria looks like he has developed some kind of bias here and it wouldn't be the first time a sportswriter went from being professional to character assassin when it comes to RU sports.
Zags is a big east/St Johnnie's homer.
 
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Glad to see that maybe Zags went a little over the top criticizing Jordan's in state recruiting and maybe placed a little more emphasis on a HS program that can't be considered one that has supported RU MBB over the years.
Though I am relieved a little bit after reading posts that makes Zags' article look like he didn't check out Jordan and his staff's recruiting thoroughly , I still feel I can't defend Jordan like I did before until more facts come out and I see just how the class of 2016 winds up looking ( good /bad ?).
 
Corey is 19th in the B1G in scoring (1st among frosh)
Corey is 11th in the B1G in assists (1st among frosh)
Corey is T-1st in the B1G in steals (1st among frosh)

I am fine if you want to say Bryant or Swanigan or Davis or whomever is a better frosh. Fun argument. But the fact it is an argument should at some level speak to this staff's arse busting related to recruiting. And that doesn't account for Freeman who I truly believed could/would have been our best player if not for injury.

I am in no way insinuating this a Calipari-esque class. But it is a pretty damn good class with a couple players who were wanted by high majors. And you don't get those kind of kids if you aren't out there busting it on the trail.
 
Corey is 19th in the B1G in scoring (1st among frosh)
Corey is 11th in the B1G in assists (1st among frosh)
Corey is T-1st in the B1G in steals (1st among frosh)

I am fine if you want to say Bryant or Swanigan or Davis or whomever is a better frosh. Fun argument. But the fact it is an argument should at some level speak to this staff's arse busting related to recruiting. And that doesn't account for Freeman who I truly believed could/would have been our best player if not for injury.

I am in no way insinuating this a Calipari-esque class. But it is a pretty damn good class with a couple players who were wanted by high majors. And you don't get those kind of kids if you aren't out there busting it on the trail.

When looking at freshman of the year feel free to look at the stats.

I can't say I have seen the other 15 schools play and make a determination of the freshman out there. Corey is a breath of fresh air as he is a true point and he shows effort on the defensive end.
 
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I think it's insane to be speaking about recruiting, I actually have ZERO problems with Zags hatchet job....local coaches and connections all have their hands out and RU isn't necessarily interested in trying to keep up with coaches (Hurley) that would only truly support RU if Bobby or Danny were coaching. Hurley asked for too much money and too many years and got passed over because of it....and he was very similar to Rice in demeanor and coaching and there wasn't any way that was going to fly, considering what we dealt with 3-4 years ago.

Zags has every right to report whatever he wants....at the same time, Laurent is very, very green, but has some ability, Goode is a complimentary shooter and was recruited for that role (not as a starter) and Mike Williams, Nigel Johnson, Diallo and Foreman are all very solid building blocks.

Eddie has good assistant coaches in Shoes and Macon and there are more verbals coming. What I have a concern with has nothing to do with Zags hatchet job on recruiting locally....he could have substituted RU or Seton Hall and the recent results locally for either school is practically non-existant for anyone of note locally. If you want to give SHU credit for Tiny Morton bringing Carrington and Whitehead then that is fine, just not reality.

Eddie has an image problem because we are now in Year 3 and there appears to be no communication between assistants to help the kids during game days and you cannot just sit and defer to Eddie to coach the entire roster on game days, make defensive adjustments, manage egos, minutes or just listen to "one voice". The effort or items are strictly game day related for me, there appears to be a passive effort to improve the kids that need to improve decision-making (Daniels playing under control), rebounding (I'm sorry, but Lewis should average 10 boards a game) and overall effort on the defensive end.

Even NBA players get bad habits or need weekly, if not daily reminders on defense, positioning, hustle and playing with energy. It's as if RU has an NBA roster on a 5 game West Coast trip at times, very casual and coasting. Call me unfair, but this is still a kids game and needs to be played with energy and passion and hunger and right now, I understand we are 180 degrees away from Rice and draining blood from a stone.

If RU can show some enthusiasm for the fans, an occasional hand clap or something to get the fans something to cheer for, I think it would be perceived differently. And Saturday's lack of effort on defense vs Seton Hall was just not acceptable, especially for the talented athletes on the roster.

It still comes down to whether Coburn, Beatty, Mitchell, Biruta, Dane Miller and 2 bench players and a roster of 7 players and a part time 5th year transfer from New Mexico State a few years or so ago, was the high point of watching a limited team, giving 1000% effort most nights. I still believe that Hurley is as close to being as good a coach as Rice was here at RU and this roster is miles more athletic and talented vs Rice's first year. Hurley would have this roster locked in defensively.

If comparing rosters from Rice's first season with FHJ leftovers, does anyone really believe we would be giving up 80 points every other game, with the players we have assembled now?? Or is it something where my standards are perhaps warped??

It's at the point where I'd rather turn the keys over to Shoes Vetrone and let him go to work on the recruiting trail and see if we can do something different as a program. Or go get the checkbook out and pay Mike Lonergan at GW to get the kids to play hard on both ends of the floor and get the program moving forward. This is not a talent issue, there are actually more pieces coming, but the effort is lacking from the bench and it's showing on game days.......Zags piece has no impact on RU recruiting and is clearly a hatchet job.....but the results on game day are more alarming and needs to be addressed ASAP.
 
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I think it's insane to be speaking about recruiting, I actually have ZERO problems with Zags hatchet job....local coaches and connections all have their hands out and RU isn't necessarily interested in trying to keep up with coaches (Hurley) that would only truly support RU if Bobby or Danny were coaching. Hurley asked for too much money and too many years and got passed over because of it....and he was very similar to Rice in demeanor and coaching and there wasn't any way that was going to fly, considering what we dealt with 3-4 years ago.

Zags has every right to report whatever he wants....at the same time, Laurent is very, very green, but has some ability, Goode is a complimentary shooter and was recruited for that role (not as a starter) and Mike Williams, Nigel Johnson, Diallo and Foreman are all very solid building blocks.

Eddie has good assistant coaches in Shoes and Macon and there are more verbals coming. What I have a concern with has nothing to do with Zags hatchet job on recruiting locally....he could have substituted RU or Seton Hall and the recent results locally for either school is practically non-existant for anyone of note locally. If you want to give SHU credit for Tiny Morton bringing Carrington and Whitehead then that is fine, just not reality.

Eddie has an image problem because we are now in Year 3 and there appears to be no communication between assistants to help the kids during game days and you cannot just sit and defer to Eddie to coach the entire roster on game days, make defensive adjustments, manage egos, minutes or just listen to "one voice". The effort or items are strictly game day related for me, there appears to be a passive effort to improve the kids that need to improve decision-making (Daniels playing under control), rebounding (I'm sorry, but Lewis should average 10 boards a game) and overall effort on the defensive end.

Even NBA players get bad habits or need weekly, if not daily reminders on defense, positioning, hustle and playing with energy. It's as if RU has an NBA roster on a 5 game West Coast trip at times, very casual and coasting. Call me unfair, but this is still a kids game and needs to be played with energy and passion and hunger and right now, I understand we are 180 degrees away from Rice and draining blood from a stone.

If RU can show some enthusiasm for the fans, an occasional hand clap or something to get the fans something to cheer for, I think it would be perceived differently. And Saturday's lack of effort on defense vs Seton Hall was just not acceptable, especially for the talented athletes on the roster.

It still comes down to whether Coburn, Beatty, Mitchell, Biruta, Dane Miller and 2 bench players and a roster of 7 players and a part time 5th year transfer from New Mexico State a few years or so ago, was the high point of watching a limited team, giving 1000% effort most nights. I still believe that Hurley is as close to being as good a coach as Rice was here at RU and this roster is miles more athletic and talented vs Rice's first year. Hurley would have this roster locked in defensively.

If comparing rosters from Rice's first season with FHJ leftovers, does anyone really believe we would be giving up 80 points every other game, with the players we have assembled now?? Or is it something where my standards are perhaps warped??

It's at the point where I'd rather turn the keys over to Shoes Vetrone and let him go to work on the recruiting trail and see if we can do something different as a program. Or go get the checkbook out and pay Mike Lonergan at GW to get the kids to play hard on both ends of the floor and get the program moving forward. This is not a talent issue, there are actually more pieces coming, but the effort is lacking from the bench and it's showing on game days.......Zags piece has no impact on RU recruiting and is clearly a hatchet job.....but the results on game day are more alarming and needs to be addressed ASAP.

New Jersey Hawk....do you have any insights on how Jordan conducts his practices ? What's being taught, how it's being taught, the intensity, etc. ???

I hate the "One Voice" thing...but, my understanding is that some other coaches do it. Someone any hinted that Rice did it, but, I am not sure.

That being said, I noticed Macon talking to several players at the beginning of timeouts during the last game.
 
Why should we be able to out recruit Seton Hall & St. Johns we can't beat them on the court. Kids prefer to play for a winner or at least the opportunity to compete.
 
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I think it's insane to be speaking about recruiting, I actually have ZERO problems with Zags hatchet job....local coaches and connections all have their hands out and RU isn't necessarily interested in trying to keep up with coaches (Hurley) that would only truly support RU if Bobby or Danny were coaching. Hurley asked for too much money and too many years and got passed over because of it....and he was very similar to Rice in demeanor and coaching and there wasn't any way that was going to fly, considering what we dealt with 3-4 years ago.

Zags has every right to report whatever he wants....at the same time, Laurent is very, very green, but has some ability, Goode is a complimentary shooter and was recruited for that role (not as a starter) and Mike Williams, Nigel Johnson, Diallo and Foreman are all very solid building blocks.

Eddie has good assistant coaches in Shoes and Macon and there are more verbals coming. What I have a concern with has nothing to do with Zags hatchet job on recruiting locally....he could have substituted RU or Seton Hall and the recent results locally for either school is practically non-existant for anyone of note locally. If you want to give SHU credit for Tiny Morton bringing Carrington and Whitehead then that is fine, just not reality.

Eddie has an image problem because we are now in Year 3 and there appears to be no communication between assistants to help the kids during game days and you cannot just sit and defer to Eddie to coach the entire roster on game days, make defensive adjustments, manage egos, minutes or just listen to "one voice". The effort or items are strictly game day related for me, there appears to be a passive effort to improve the kids that need to improve decision-making (Daniels playing under control), rebounding (I'm sorry, but Lewis should average 10 boards a game) and overall effort on the defensive end.

Even NBA players get bad habits or need weekly, if not daily reminders on defense, positioning, hustle and playing with energy. It's as if RU has an NBA roster on a 5 game West Coast trip at times, very casual and coasting. Call me unfair, but this is still a kids game and needs to be played with energy and passion and hunger and right now, I understand we are 180 degrees away from Rice and draining blood from a stone.

If RU can show some enthusiasm for the fans, an occasional hand clap or something to get the fans something to cheer for, I think it would be perceived differently. And Saturday's lack of effort on defense vs Seton Hall was just not acceptable, especially for the talented athletes on the roster.

It still comes down to whether Coburn, Beatty, Mitchell, Biruta, Dane Miller and 2 bench players and a roster of 7 players and a part time 5th year transfer from New Mexico State a few years or so ago, was the high point of watching a limited team, giving 1000% effort most nights. I still believe that Hurley is as close to being as good a coach as Rice was here at RU and this roster is miles more athletic and talented vs Rice's first year. Hurley would have this roster locked in defensively.

If comparing rosters from Rice's first season with FHJ leftovers, does anyone really believe we would be giving up 80 points every other game, with the players we have assembled now?? Or is it something where my standards are perhaps warped??

It's at the point where I'd rather turn the keys over to Shoes Vetrone and let him go to work on the recruiting trail and see if we can do something different as a program. Or go get the checkbook out and pay Mike Lonergan at GW to get the kids to play hard on both ends of the floor and get the program moving forward. This is not a talent issue, there are actually more pieces coming, but the effort is lacking from the bench and it's showing on game days.......Zags piece has no impact on RU recruiting and is clearly a hatchet job.....but the results on game day are more alarming and needs to be addressed ASAP.

Well said.
 
Hawk,

The coach I mentioned above LOVED Rice. Thought he got a raw deal. Said, and I quote, "Rice would have had Rutgers in the Top 25 if Murdoch could have kept his mouth shut."
 
I think it's insane to be speaking about recruiting, I actually have ZERO problems with Zags hatchet job....local coaches and connections all have their hands out and RU isn't necessarily interested in trying to keep up with coaches (Hurley) that would only truly support RU if Bobby or Danny were coaching. Hurley asked for too much money and too many years and got passed over because of it....and he was very similar to Rice in demeanor and coaching and there wasn't any way that was going to fly, considering what we dealt with 3-4 years ago.

Zags has every right to report whatever he wants....at the same time, Laurent is very, very green, but has some ability, Goode is a complimentary shooter and was recruited for that role (not as a starter) and Mike Williams, Nigel Johnson, Diallo and Foreman are all very solid building blocks.

Eddie has good assistant coaches in Shoes and Macon and there are more verbals coming. What I have a concern with has nothing to do with Zags hatchet job on recruiting locally....he could have substituted RU or Seton Hall and the recent results locally for either school is practically non-existant for anyone of note locally. If you want to give SHU credit for Tiny Morton bringing Carrington and Whitehead then that is fine, just not reality.

Eddie has an image problem because we are now in Year 3 and there appears to be no communication between assistants to help the kids during game days and you cannot just sit and defer to Eddie to coach the entire roster on game days, make defensive adjustments, manage egos, minutes or just listen to "one voice". The effort or items are strictly game day related for me, there appears to be a passive effort to improve the kids that need to improve decision-making (Daniels playing under control), rebounding (I'm sorry, but Lewis should average 10 boards a game) and overall effort on the defensive end.

Even NBA players get bad habits or need weekly, if not daily reminders on defense, positioning, hustle and playing with energy. It's as if RU has an NBA roster on a 5 game West Coast trip at times, very casual and coasting. Call me unfair, but this is still a kids game and needs to be played with energy and passion and hunger and right now, I understand we are 180 degrees away from Rice and draining blood from a stone.

If RU can show some enthusiasm for the fans, an occasional hand clap or something to get the fans something to cheer for, I think it would be perceived differently. And Saturday's lack of effort on defense vs Seton Hall was just not acceptable, especially for the talented athletes on the roster.

It still comes down to whether Coburn, Beatty, Mitchell, Biruta, Dane Miller and 2 bench players and a roster of 7 players and a part time 5th year transfer from New Mexico State a few years or so ago, was the high point of watching a limited team, giving 1000% effort most nights. I still believe that Hurley is as close to being as good a coach as Rice was here at RU and this roster is miles more athletic and talented vs Rice's first year. Hurley would have this roster locked in defensively.

If comparing rosters from Rice's first season with FHJ leftovers, does anyone really believe we would be giving up 80 points every other game, with the players we have assembled now?? Or is it something where my standards are perhaps warped??

It's at the point where I'd rather turn the keys over to Shoes Vetrone and let him go to work on the recruiting trail and see if we can do something different as a program. Or go get the checkbook out and pay Mike Lonergan at GW to get the kids to play hard on both ends of the floor and get the program moving forward. This is not a talent issue, there are actually more pieces coming, but the effort is lacking from the bench and it's showing on game days.......Zags piece has no impact on RU recruiting and is clearly a hatchet job.....but the results on game day are more alarming and needs to be addressed ASAP.


Hawk I agree with a lot here, I do think though the talent is not as good as you say it is...but there just is no passion and energy out there and that could be the difference maker. Rice's first team was not good but there was pretty much 100% effort out of them except for a few clunkers. Its not the losses that have me down, its that we are not competitive against somewhat decent schools and are struggling against sisters of the poor. If you cannot give the fans hope then this is a tough sell and its 3 years and not any hope. I fear a 7-25 season coming up. Yes I would be more comfortable with a Hurley or a Longeran or some hot shot energetic guy
 
You guys act like Rutgers has this long history of top recruiting classes. Not so, as I mentioned earlier, there have only been about 5-10 guys in the last 25 years that have been top 100 players. Rutgers is not going to break out and all of sudden bring in these top players that we all want. The plan has to be to bring in some guys that will get the team to a certain point and then HOPE for a breakout year that brings some excitement back to the program. Everyone should know that, at 60 years old, Jordan was a stop gap measure for a program that could not afford to have any negative press regarding it's basketball coach after Mike Rice. Is he perfect, NO, but, this is a multi-year fight to get some better players here. Good players make coaches look good, Bad players get them fired.

To think that Danny Hurley or some other guy is going to do it is wishful thinking. The best recruiter Rutgers ever had was Fred Hill Jr; he came close getting Rosario, Ech and just missing on Lance Thomas. Only Calipari with his bags of money and the Kentucky facilities that rival NBA teams could do it at Rutgers right now.
 
You guys act like Rutgers has this long history of top recruiting classes. Not so, as I mentioned earlier, there have only been about 5-10 guys in the last 25 years that have been top 100 players. Rutgers is not going to break out and all of sudden bring in these top players that we all want. The plan has to be to bring in some guys that will get the team to a certain point and then HOPE for a breakout year that brings some excitement back to the program. Everyone should know that, at 60 years old, Jordan was a stop gap measure for a program that could not afford to have any negative press regarding it's basketball coach after Mike Rice. Is he perfect, NO, but, this is a multi-year fight to get some better players here. Good players make coaches look good, Bad players get them fired.

To think that Danny Hurley or some other guy is going to do it is wishful thinking. The best recruiter Rutgers ever had was Fred Hill Jr; he came close getting Rosario, Ech and just missing on Lance Thomas. Only Calipari with his bags of money and the Kentucky facilities that rival NBA teams could do it at Rutgers right now.
Bannon was the best recruiter, he just couldn't keep them around and imploded too soon. Dahntay Jones, Todd Billet, Ricky Shields, Herve Lamizana, Luis Flores. These guys had talent. Not to mention bringing in a guy like Jeff Greer who I really liked who was an 11th hour signing in the Spring he got hired. And if you want to throw in just misses like Lance Thomas for Hill there was Troy Murphy for Bannon.
 
Hawk,

The coach I mentioned above LOVED Rice. Thought he got a raw deal. Said, and I quote, "Rice would have had Rutgers in the Top 25 if Murdoch could have kept his mouth shut."
Rice did get a raw deal. The $50k fine and sensitivity training were fair for what we saw on the videos: tossing a few basketballs off some very big dudes and calling them names.
 
Sometimes a coach contacts a player outside of their high schools. It is possible that Jordan or the asst. coaches are following the players but for whatever the reason they have may be dealing directly with the players family or AAU coach and not the high school coach.

It doesn't make it right as you would hope they would foster relationships with the players coach also but there could be bad blood from the past.
 
Bobby is at AZ St. And Danny is at URI.


oops...I get my Hurleys confused, but the general premise that Hurleys are stationed elsewhere hurts RUs chances of landing a St. Anthony's player.
 
RU-Choppin-Ohio bringing more sanity to these boards. Keep up the good work chap. I don't think you can convince these guys. They are lost in the negativity. They would probably even complain if we got John Calipari here! LOL!
 
I thought and still have hope Eddie can be the guy here. As far as recruiting, Rutgers is going to win with a Senior-laden team that grew and gelled together and outperforms their ranking. The harsh reality is you can't recruit big time talent to a school where, if you want to get in some extra work/extra shooting, you have to wait until the Women's team is done practicing and the baseball team finishes hitting (you realize they also practice in the RAC, right?).

When Williams/Foreman are Seniors you can evaluate Eddie is my opinion. I realize it isn't popular.
 
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