Can you list all the games Schiano beat a team fitting that definition? No, this is not a Flood defense, just a simple question to gauge the past, maybe I missed a bunch of games. I'll wait..........
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Michigan's team last year was much better than us based on talent level. So was Arkansas both times.
How many times did Schiano do that after Louisville in 2006? And ranked South Florida teams don't count in my mind because they were over ranked.
We could say the same thing about a lot of coaches. James Franklin comes to mind. Butch Jones too.
No, I am not defending Flood. Just pointing out it is not that common.
I thought we played well against Cincy when we opened our new expanded stadium, and we played great against UNC at home on National TV...:rolleyes::confused:
Flood has some good wins on his resume, his overall record is pretty good, his first year in the the Big 10 was viewed by all as successful.
If we are talking strictly on field, Flood's 1st 3 years are pretty much dead on level to Schiano's last 3 years.
Off the field, the last months have been an absolute shat storm, no argument there.
If we are talking strictly on field, Flood's 1st 3 years are pretty much dead on level to Schiano's last 3 years.
Off the field, the last months have been an absolute shat storm, no argument there.
This is the price of being in the B1G. We used to get owned by Syracuse, Pitt, WVA and now we out recruit them and can straight up beat them consistently on the field. Yes, things have changed since '93. We're playing a conference full of the top teams in the country. This is a challenge for us. This is what we wanted. Let's just support the team and if it means we have to take a few beatings than so be it. This is our team. These are our football players. Our Kids. This is our coach and our staff. I know they can step it up and play with these guys. We've seen flashes of it. They can do it.
All Black..... Let's do it.
Michigan was 5-7 and didnt make a bowl. ARKY was 4-8..try again....beating teams with sub 500 records are not signaturexwins. Its beating mediocre teams in our vicinity.
I stopped right there. Please give me 1 legitimate "good win" on Flood's resume (I can give you plenty of bad ones, if you'd like...). When I say "good win" I mean a win against a team that was good that year, finished with a good record (not 6-6, etc...), and/or will be remembered, as such, down the road. So, as great as the comeback was, beating a (edit)so-so Maryland team doesn't count as a "good" win in my book. Great, great comeback, NO doubt, but that's all it really was, agree?
p.s. - don't say "Michigan." It was a W against a lousy team. Great, because it was our 1st "B1G" win, yes, and because it was our 1st game ever vs Michigan, yes, but not a "good win" in most people's minds.
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According to Massey here are the best RU from 06 on:
Schiano & Flood vs top 50
Schiano & Flood vs top 50
Is there reason that Flood defenders bring up Schiano's name everytime Flood is critiqued. I dont get it. You have been hanging with Ptucky too long...believe me back in the day I asked the same question about Schiano and got shouted down by his defenders. Stop thinking we need to settle at a mediocre level
Maybe not "signature" but going on the road and beating a traditional sec power is a historical rarity for Rutgers and beating UM even in a down year was pretty epic. But would agree he hasn't had a statement type of win for sure.
Cincinnati the gsme Huggins played well. Probabky equal to any win Schiano had outside of Lville. Think that cinci team was 10-2 or 9-3.
I don't know anyone (off this board) who would consider Arkansas a "traditional SEC power."
Seriously? He gets brought up bc he was the most successful coach the program had ever had. He is the guy half the board wants back and he is the guy whose program people say Flood has destroyed? Hiw dies it make sensemble to compare flood to another programs coach? Yiu want to compare his to saban? Shouldn't we compare apples to apples?
I agree. This is going to tell us whether or not this team has the heart, talent, and coaching smarts to take advantage of a vulnerable over-ranked opponent and log a big victory. Even if we don't make a bowl this year, a win this weekend would be something to hang our hat on all off-season ---> as sign of what we can do if everything is clicking right.
It'll suck for the Big ten's reputation/perception this season but I would love a win here.
It'll suck for the Big ten's reputation/perception this season but I would love a win here.
hahahaha! That is a FANTASTIC response and one I wasn't expecting! Well done! :clap:
I had this whole thing broken down but it's not even worth arguing with you. You twist things to fit a narrative and are ambiguous on top of it. It's annoying to read on a daily basis.
Except for 1 game when we had 2 NFL caliber backs on our offense when have we ever given a truly top team a tough game in the schiano/flood era?
Marland was lousy last year? They had a pretty good squad, had a nice first season in conference, went to a bowl, finished over .500. And the game was on the road.
I'm not saying big time wins, Flood has yet to notch on of those, clearly we have not been ranked, no one is arguing we are a powerhouse here, but good solid wins? He's got some of those.
I think he's beating 4 or 5 teams with winning records so, okay maybe, you have to include Maryland in the "good win" category. I gotcha there but, unfortunately, way too many "bad" losses thus far IMHO. A win over an MSU would be - by far and away - the only "wow" win over Flood's tenure.
** you're right, I shouldn't have called Maryland a "lousy" team, that's my bad on that one!
What signature win did we have before UL 2006?
Not saying this year will be 06 if we win Saturday....just pointing out past performance does not guarantee future result.
It's fun having this stuff in excel.
Our worst losses 06 on....
From my perspective you have to include 2005 (and potentially even 2004) when comparing Schiano to Flood. 2005 was Schiano's 5th year - from a rebuilding perspective, certainly long enough to bring in his own players.
In 2005 - RU lost to Lousville by 51 points, South Florida by 14 and West Virginia by 13 (all would be on your list with Ville at the top)
In 2004 - RU lost to Navy by 33, Pitt by 24, New Hampshire by 11, and BC by 11
My bad, I was a few FG's off. I guess losing by 17 - 19 to the likes of Cuse, Fesno, and UCONN should be commended.It's fun having this stuff in excel.
Our worst losses 06 on....
Good charts.
Flood is mediocre at best.
Schiano was mediocre at best.
Flood either needed to improve a lot or hit the road. Contrary to what some here have said (many have wanted him gone for a long time), were have been signs of Flood improving as a head coach. This year has put a likely fatal dent in the possibility he can improve. The email scandal, the arrests, the losses, and his suspension. He would need to not only recover, but continue to significantly improve. The odds are long for that to happen.
Rutgers needs to finish out the season, and then look in a new direction assuming things don't get a lot better. Not to Schiano. In a new direction.
There are plenty of up and coming coaches who could be fits at Rutgers. Those clamoring for a "name" are going to be disappointed though.
Flood is mediocre at best.
Schiano was mediocre at best.
Flood either needed to improve a lot or hit the road. Contrary to what some here have said (many have wanted him gone for a long time), were have been signs of Flood improving as a head coach. This year has put a likely fatal dent in the possibility he can improve. The email scandal, the arrests, the losses, and his suspension. He would need to not only recover, but continue to significantly improve. The odds are long for that to happen.
Rutgers needs to finish out the season, and then look in a new direction assuming things don't get a lot better. Not to Schiano. In a new direction.
There are plenty of up and coming coaches who could be fits at Rutgers. Those clamoring for a "name" are going to be disappointed though.
charts don't lie do they.
In the Flood era the best win is Maryland.
and to me the worst loss was Pitt because if RU won that game they were headed to the BCS and UL lost to UConn I believe the week after they beat us. We laid a big fat stinking turd vs Pitt and its that game where the line Flood is a dud fits best...RU must have had the ball 4 times to start the game midfield but played some kind of convoluted prevent offense to baby Nova and finally Pitt woke up and totally bitchslapped RU
In the Flood era the best win is Maryland.
and to me the worst loss was Pitt because if RU won that game they were headed to the BCS and UL lost to UConn I believe the week after they beat us. We laid a big fat stinking turd vs Pitt and its that game where the line Flood is a dud fits best...RU must have had the ball 4 times to start the game midfield but played some kind of convoluted prevent offense to baby Nova and finally Pitt woke up and totally bitchslapped RU
I think the Syracuse and Cincy wins in 2012 are higher than the Maryland, but your point is well taken.
The worst loss was definitely that Pitt loss because the BCS game would have been locked up then if it had been won. Rutgers played terribly that day.
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