Schiano continues to sully Rutgers
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Sadly the stuck with him is it. We aren’t eating 3 or 4 years of his contract.
The biggest mistake was getting bamboozled for a 7 year deal. Credit him and his agent. Schiano has always been a shrewd businessman. They correctly read the tea leaves and figured out they could leverage the fan uproar into an unheard of contract.
I think we’re just playing better football across the board.
I just think all the complaining is a little premature given the situation.
Next year I’m expecting a bowl and the year after I’m expecting us to make some noise and pick up a big upset.
Year 5 will be new divisions, correct? That’s the year I’ll be joining the dark side if we’re seeing more of the same. I personally think that’s totally fair to GS and the AD.
@RutgersSam Find a new team
People on here are Rutgers fans and we all want a winning program. Some people are tied to Schiano(I am not) but your posts are garbage
People on here are Rutgers fans and we all want a winning program. Some people are tied to Schiano(I am not) but your posts are garbage
Zap, you’ve been around. No one is questioning you. You’re entitled to your opinion and all that.
It’s the avatarless posters that I never saw during the dog days of Ash’s career.
Lots of very unrealistic expectations on this board.
That old analogy comes to mind re: how much time and distance it takes to turn an aircraft carrier. It's a very slow process. No shortcuts. It just takes time.
With RU football, the analogy is extended: our ship was sunk, had to be raised, towed to dry dock, repaired, restaffed, returned to service, and put underway before initiating the "turn."
Let's wait a few more seasons to pass judgement on Schiano 2.0. In the meanwhile, all this bashing is counterproductive for the program. We need to recruit more talent. Disparaging the HC is of no help. Grow the "ef" up. Smarten the "ef" up.
And "Happy Thanksgiving."
That old analogy comes to mind re: how much time and distance it takes to turn an aircraft carrier. It's a very slow process. No shortcuts. It just takes time.
With RU football, the analogy is extended: our ship was sunk, had to be raised, towed to dry dock, repaired, restaffed, returned to service, and put underway before initiating the "turn."
Let's wait a few more seasons to pass judgement on Schiano 2.0. In the meanwhile, all this bashing is counterproductive for the program. We need to recruit more talent. Disparaging the HC is of no help. Grow the "ef" up. Smarten the "ef" up.
And "Happy Thanksgiving."
So you agree…to the generation of give it to me I want it now.
Rutgers football is beyond boring, creating zero buzz or future fans..
I’ve been an advocate and supporter of RU football for 4 decades…I’m finally bored
It was an 8 year deal and I do think we would let him go if we’re not performing. The last two years are 50% guaranteed iirc.
I’ve said it before, next year is crucial. Only 3 coaches (Cutcliffe, Wilson Frost) I could find that made it to year 5 after having 4 straight losing regular seasons. There isn’t a single coach I could find who made it to a 6th year after 5 straight losing regular seasons. Cutlciffe and Wilson got to 6 wins in year 5. Frost was fired in season during his 5th year.
IMO, GS won’t get til the end of his contract without showing results..meaning 6 wins. It has to be next year or possibly year 5, depending on how year 4 went.
Well, that's on you, that is, how you choose to process it. Patience is required. I believe Schiano is the right guy for the job, coming in when he did, under the circumstances. Yes, he may be "transitory." He may or may not be the long-term solution to boost the program. He'll be given the opportunity to prove his case. But that can only be assessed after an initial five years have passed.
Wow, you suffered through Ash but now you are bored? If you were that impatient, Pike would be gone before the turnaround.
All I’m saying is football is beyond boring…that’s it.
As I said, I’m far more interested in if 27 and 71 return.
Something that wouldn’t have dawned on you during GS 1.0
Great logic. If the goal is to be so terrible that we are never favored, and therefore never lose a game as a favorite, Schiano is doing a bang up job.
Personally, because it’s college football, I don’t think one or two players make or break the team. I’m more nervous about the OC hire.
Ok-
71 and 27 are program cornerstones in the patience, rebuild department.
But ok, to each his own
We not only lose but we lose in the most uninteresting ways.
Flood sullied RU
People can legit complain about Schiano but it can get carried away
Sometimes I legit wonder if RU suffers from bad football karma from fans being so toxic
People can legit complain about Schiano but it can get carried away
Sometimes I legit wonder if RU suffers from bad football karma from fans being so toxic
What’s a toxic fan.
Someone bored beyond belief and talking about it on a sports message board?
Aaron Lewis is a good player, Avery young is a good player.
Statistically
i didn’t bring ash up, you did. You claim there’s so much improvement from Ash… while I agree it’s hard to not improve from a team that lost to eastern Michigan, the idea that this team has improved anywhere close to what it should have now nearly 3 full seasons into Saint Greg’s tenure is laughable….
Do I think our defense has improved? Not really. And that’s backed up by statistics. Currently rutgers has allowed 41 offensive TD’s this season, that does not take into account any defensive/special teams td’s our opponents have scored, strictly TD’s scored on us while our opponents are on offense…. You know where that ranks among all P5 schools? SECOND TO LAST…. Only BC has allowed more offensive TD’s than Rutgers this year among all P5 schools… so no, our defense has not improved. Lewis and young are good players, the unit as a whole sucks and that is crystal clear when looking at the simple statistics…
So combine the fact that we have statistically the second worst defense in the country in terms of points allowed, with our anemic offense led by a qb who while I believe is talented, is in desperate need of coaching, he’s terribly in accurate, we are the most penalized team in CFB…. This leads to COACHING INCOMPETENCE! Greg Schiano is incompetent
We just got blown the f*ck out 55-10 to the team we all hate at home for senior day. No, this isn’t good enough!
Sobering stats.
I thought the D was better. It isn’t.
The penalties is squarely on Greg. That’s a very strong sign that coaching is subpar.
It’s even worse when you consider the risk adverse philosophies of GS.
I thought the D was better. It isn’t.
The penalties is squarely on Greg. That’s a very strong sign that coaching is subpar.
It’s even worse when you consider the risk adverse philosophies of GS.
Finally, someone telling it like it is. Our defense stinks, our offense stinks, our penalties stink, special teams stink, getting blown out worse than during the ash years (that's a fact) stinks, our QB of the future stinks, our hs recruting stinks, our portal recruting stinks, our conference record at home stinks, in game coaching stinks. What's there not to love?
When fans hate the players, coaches and even other fans thatn its toxic - bad karma ensues
There were fans who hated Vedral despite pullijng off some minor miracles with limited talent (that even he understood as limited) and they wanted a 19 yr old Wimsatt - then they can hate Wimsatt.
Some of this comes from not really understanding cfb and having wildly irratrional expectations.
The B1G is one of the hardest conferecnes in cfb - never mind winning - surviving a season intact is hard.
RU was always destined to struggle in the B1G
At best it would be one of the lesser B1G teams that rarely enter top 25.
RU cant get the players it needs and there are no top coaches in any hurry
RUs OL and DL are mostly short of mediocre every year and that's why RU gets creamed
If I had a kid who wanted to play QB at RU, I would go to mass and light candles for it not to happen.
I know Schiano teams are bad for QBs
That being said, RU's whole history in football is mostly kind of flat - GS era aside
There were a few seasons people still consider "magical" and that came from GS and a bus load of good players.
(while its true Ray Rice helped make GS, Rice was also recuited as a DB by other colleges - including Penn St - and it was GS who let him play RB).
It was also GS who got the stadium expanded and the acadmics up, he formed the culture even if the football results were mediocre and that's how RU got into the B1G.
Along the way, GS didn't have RU become a crime scene like Flood
He went to see Legrande every day in the hospital for weeks
For people to cry about Greg "sullying" Rutgers is not a on the beam all things considered
I remember how many people wanted to get rid of GS in his first stint
"We need to take the next step" was a oft repeated line
However if things were that simple everyone would be doing it
The VAST majority of cfb teams are mediocre year in and year out
New coaches crash and burn all the time - great teams like Miami, FSU, Michigan, USC, Texas etc can go down the tubes for a decade or more
RU was going to struggle after flood made RU a crime scene along with inept AD.
Ash just threw dirt on the coffin for another half decade
RU was never going to bounce back from all that in a few years.
A Wimsatt here and a Davis there dont make good teams overnight
I still believe either the site of the first collegiate football pitch (behind The Barn) or our current stadium was formerly a Lenni Lenape burial ground....
Fans in collegiate football are typically boosters and/or alumni. Their influence and support are critical to the program's success or lack thereof. Fans have everything to do with it. Particularly at a state's flagship U.
Show off...I think you're thinking about an oil tanker. ; )
Yea
Blame the fans…lol.
Especially the 12 year old 8th grader who’d rather pluck his eyes out than become a bored to tears future supporter
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Zap, you miss the point. The fans are not to "blame." But the success of a program depends on the fans' influence and $ support (alumni and boosters), especially at an ailing state U program. So without the support of "fans," a program has very little chance at gaining traction ("wins"). Patience and $ are needed.
Blame the product.
The support would be endless if we were even semi competent.
There’s was a huge non alumni contingent on the wagon during GS 1.0.
They don’t hang around to be bored to death
Sure. It's easy to get behind and support a winner. Especially a perennial winner. But becoming a winning program is the challenge. It ain't easy. It ain't cheap. It ain't quick. And with a flagship state U such as RU, the media, voters, and assorted watchdogs scrutinize all piece parts of the program. NJ is a particularly challenging environment. Kind of hostile.
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