The basic instinct is to criticize when a team plays poorly, makes mistakes and doesn’t appear to correct those issues. I’m bothered by the inordinate amount of penalties which still persist. I dislike the special team errors which are losing us the possibility of several wins and preventing several blowouts. Those things are on Schiano and he has accepted the blame on those aspects. The recruiting is in year 3 . Winning and $$$$ in today’s NCAA realm is what recruiting has become. Once again the school understands the ramifications if we don’t rise to the occasion . Schiano has said as much ( not an excuse) Lincoln Riley and others up the totem pole agree. Rutgers talks about doing it and maybe we are( ( haven’t seen much) if we don’t we will be like several other teams have been in this B1G conference and the SEC. After watching the UCLA / USC game there is no doubt the climb has become much greater for dear old RU.
Schiano continues to sully Rutgers
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I remember listening to and rooting for RU on the radio in 1975
Curt Edwards carved up Syracuse and i was hooked.
I’ve been patient 😊
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The offense is currently ranked 122. That's worse than Year 1 and almost as bad as when Ash was here, when it was usually last or second to last. The defense gave up 24.6 pts/game last year and 28.5 pts/game this year. The team won 3 Big Ten games in Year 1, 2 in Year 2 and 1 so far this year and is on pace to win fewer games this year than last year though the schedule was not especiallytough. It's hard to see improvement across the board.
It’s a good thing GS 1.0 rewarded you. Hope he can do it again soon.
OC got fired so we definitely had problems on O. Points given up includes defensive TDs or special teams. I mean our D gave up 27 points last night but the scoreboard says 55.
Again, not sure how many times this needs to be stated, but this season was never about wins and losses.
It was simply about experience and growth for individuals. The biggest thing I’ll give Schiano heat for this year was not giving Gavin the starting job at game 1.
I swear winning @BC was the worst thing that happened to this fan base.
That's nice but that doesn't mean there's any improvement. Usually improvement shows up on the field. That's what happens at other programs. Our fans need to watch more college football.
It’s been like that for decades. Those wealthy alums and businesses weren’t going to pop out all of a sudden because of the NIL.
Our defense is ranked 27th in yards allowed... Why do you think that is while we are giving up the second most TD's of any P5 team? Could it be that our offense is awful and can't move the ball past their own 40 therefor opponents are starting with great field position? Does that fall solely on the defense? It doesn't. does it fall solely on the HC? it absolutely does....
We don't play the games to gain more yards, we play to gain more points... We had more yards offensively than Michigan State.... We lost
Correct $$$$ has always been at the forefront of recruiting in Mens Football and Men’s Hoops. It just is more legal and that is why many fans were diametrically opposed to this system. A system which had no built in protections or rules for fairness or sensibility. Most of us realized players deserved a piece of the action .Now we have escalated the stakes towards the eventual elimination of those schools ( on all levels ) who will never be able to sustain their programs. Is this what people in supposed amateur sport anticipated? It has never really been amateur .
i think most are frustrated that we had games for the taking this season and under performed especially the iowa and nebraska games. giving points away on offense and being so un disciplined really demoralized us.............that's the one area gs has excelled in............you can blame it on youth or injuries...........it's just so dam frustrating to watch.
You are a loyal fan Zappaa . You as a former player at the highest level understand what is involved.What and where this program is. There are many longtime fans , alums and even former Rutgers players who are frustrated and somewhat disappointed today. I really started my Rutgers journey in 1967 while a junior playing in high school. To me Rutgers was B1G time even then . I never fathomed us being in one of the two most respected conferences in college athletics but yet… here we are. We are in what Schiano always refers to as being in the middle of a forest with only an ax to chop our way out of. True fans now should follow that mantra… we all once had faith in it once before.
I am glad I dropped my season tickets 4 years ago. These lopsided losses are bad for my health. I am glad at least our basketball team is respectable in the BIG Ten. Greg has coached for many years and supposedly knows many of the high school coaches in NJ. He also coached in the NFL and when he left RU for Tampa he took every assistant coach with him except Flood. I think that really set us back big time. He didn't care about RU at that point and now he is getting paid $ 4 million dollars a year for coaching this team which to me seems that we should have improved much more in year three. It is just so disappointing to me. Too many thought GS was the savior but I didn't think he was and I still feel that way.
Schiano’s a scammer. He’s gonna get his 4m a year for 8 years no matter what. Nice slide into retirement.
Are relationships with high school coaches important in today’s recruiting?
Are position coaches relationships with players important today?
High school players with options are being flooded with upfront money and promises of NIL each year.
Aren’t you glad you didn’t give up on Pike after year 3? Smh
Bingo.
And the Offense will most likely regress badly next year. Believe or not. We lose all 3 starting WRs and there are no incoming recruits with talent. The only returning WR with any experience {limited} is Chris Long. A major issue here. The RBs will be a strong unit with Brown, Kyle, and Young. However the OL is a complete cluster F. Of the 5 OL brought in from the Portal only one is B1G capable- DiRenzio and he is gone after this year. The rest of the new OL played poorly. Our hopes rest on the return of Sutton and immediate development of OL Allen, White, De Croce . Hardly a strategy to upgrade the OL next year.
QB is still a huge question mark. Does Gavin improve his accuracy significantly and read offenses next year? TBD. With limited talent/no talent at WR and OL and questions with QB the Offense will be worse in the B1G. New OC will help but not enough to overcome these huge personnel shortcomings.
Agree. Bad as he’s been, he’s not sullying anything, same as Shea and Ash. But Flood’s terrible judgment and grade-school antics did indeed tarnish the university.
LAST in college football for Red Zone Defense. 20% points worse than last year. And most of the scores are TD's.
131 Rutgers 96.97% (2022) 76.92% (2021)
College Football Stats - College FB Team Opponent Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TDs & FGs) | TeamRankings.com
College Football opponent red zone scoring percentage (tds & fgs), by team.
www.teamrankings.com
Hogwash. Those are just football
numbers. Schiano should be judged on how much money he makes, how shiny the helmets are and how green the turf is. Don’t believe it, just ask him.
LAST in college football for Red Zone Defense. 20% points worse than last year. And most of the scores are TD's.
131 Rutgers 96.97% (2022) 76.92% (2021)
College Football Stats - College FB Team Opponent Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TDs & FGs) | TeamRankings.com
College Football opponent red zone scoring percentage (tds & fgs), by team.
This isn't 35 years ago.
It's such a simple process to filter out defensive TD/special teams when looking at stats like that.
Same with FBS v. FCS games.
Websites need to do better and make it clear.
As you point out - it does makes a difference.
I'd even go so far as not counting extra points against a D.
They really only gave up 6pts - not 7. Put that on the special teams.
Maybe these have more refined stats available but behind paywalls.
A good stat would be "expected points given up" and factor in drive starting position.
For example - a team gets a fumble return to our 20 yard line.
If the defense then holds to a FG as opposed to a TD - is it really that bad?
Some people are going based on their gut feelings or wishful thinking but if you look at results and numbers there is little to cheer. Some people are also comparing Year 3 to the Ash years, which is deceiving. Year 3 is definitely better than the Ash years but it's not better than Year 1 or Year 2. Most of the improvement came in Year 1 and the team has really gotten worse since then.
The only question to ask about GS 2.0 is if he gets us to the next level. To question if he has improved the program since the Ash era- of course he has and it is a huge improvement.
He has also done an amazing job with the defense.
But unless he figures out how to allow a good OC run the offense, we may be stuck at this level for a while.
It was a great hire when we hired him and a part of me wants to see if he can get it done and a part of me says "his job is done, for a 2nd time. Let's move on"
He has also done an amazing job with the defense.
But unless he figures out how to allow a good OC run the offense, we may be stuck at this level for a while.
It was a great hire when we hired him and a part of me wants to see if he can get it done and a part of me says "his job is done, for a 2nd time. Let's move on"
What facts?
I know you’re aren’t questioning my loyalty or support of RU for 4 decades.
It’s my opinion, I don’t think pay for play and portal free agency suits GS’s recruiting style or philosophies.
It’s only my opinion
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Love the battles between the apologists and the pessimists, but why can't it be both?
Sure, the program has improved since Ash but we're in year 3 and it hasn't improved enough...
Sure, the defense is much better but there's 3 phases of the game and the other 2 are embarrassingly bad...
Sure, we haven't lost a game when favored (assuming that's correct as someone posted above), but watching college FB each week, it's not asking too much to at least be competitive in some of these games...
Etc.
Sure, the program has improved since Ash but we're in year 3 and it hasn't improved enough...
Sure, the defense is much better but there's 3 phases of the game and the other 2 are embarrassingly bad...
Sure, we haven't lost a game when favored (assuming that's correct as someone posted above), but watching college FB each week, it's not asking too much to at least be competitive in some of these games...
Etc.
The fact we are "better" than the HC Ash years.
Which isn't really a thing.
That's why "HC Ash" keeps getting brought up.
It's some weird false comparison to make HC Schiano look better.
The "better than Ash" problem is - HC Schiano is supposed to be better than HC Ash.
I don't think anyone would disagree there.
That's why he's being paid much more than HC Ash.
The thing some are missing is that HC Schiano is supposed to have the increased ability and skill as a HC to mitigate the setbacks that someone like HC Ash wouldn't be able to overcome.
It was the same with "well OC McNulty has worse talent than OC Mehringer did. That's why the production is worse". And then when asked "well if OC McNulty is a much better coach, shouldn't' he overcome the talent discrepancy and produce more results regardless?" there was no answer.
I’ve never once questioned if our current team isn’t better than Ash’s teams
I say yes.
If I'm a 4-5 star recruit and my position coach can't get me better to get to next level....what's the point in getting NIL $$?
NIL $$ is nothing compared to what I could make at next level.
Cry all you want but he’s getting 5 years at least. With the portal things can change faster than before portal.
Because any 4 or 5 star recruit should realize the jump to the elite College level is massive and difficult.
That is the “next level” out of high school
The crazy thing is people on here love to say we are playing big time football. Name one so called Big Time program that would allow a coach to come in with a 5 or 6 year program win.
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